Small arms and Light Weapons

[SGOperative]

Please God, not being disrespectful but just stop defending the indefensible. The prototype showed had just rails and flash hider, well not even rails on 12'0 clock on handguard, no clip-on ti or night sights needed?? Why call Ak then just call it stg44, well you exactly know this is just ak103+ at best. This whole deal is just not logical by any sense considering that the gun will be in service for next 30yrs or more. Perhaps Ak 15 would have made more sense, we are already paying 1000-1100$, US Army pays like 650-800$ for m4a1.
Please just stop justifying being milked by ruskies and the bad decision that has been taken.
If you can logically explain as to these:-
1. Why Ak103+
2. Why guns to be made by OFB, not really have good record, do they??
3. Why ak103+ when it costs as much as sig716i, I thought price was the contention, no???

This deal was obviously a political one.

Wanna see where i said we dint had a better option and it wasnt political and the latest pics which came after the Deal being signed just dint had the buttstock else it had everything maybe update yourself.

 

[Whitecollar]

Found a QR and Trial order for TAR. Can anyone explain the Accuracy test data mentioned in point no 26?

 

[Johny_Baba]

Found a QR and Trial order for TAR. Can anyone explain the Accuracy test data mentioned in point no 26?

(a) a human sized target on range at 100 m distance, with rifle sight set for 200 m setting, on single shot (i.e. semi-automatic) fire mode, 6 out of 7 rounds fired, accuracy of weapon should be, or 'spread' of bullets should be, within 84mm x 84mm horizontal x vertical (i.e. a 84mm square) area, and precision or 'grouping' inside the box should be within 0 to 125mm vertically and 0 to 42mm horizontally either left or right from centre of the group

and similar to above,
(b) a human sized target on range at 200 m distance, with rifle sight set for 200 m setting, on single shot (i.e. semi-automatic) fire mode, 6 out of 7 rounds fired, accuracy of weapon should be, or 'spread' of bullets should be, within 168mm x 168mm horizontal x vertical (i.e. a 168mm square) area, and precision or 'grouping' inside the box should be within 0 to 250mm vertically and 0 to 84mm horizontally either left or right from centre of the group

hope am reading it right, having difficulty understanding last column, if am wrong about anything please correct me

 

[Lonewarrior]

Can anyone explain the Accuracy test data mentioned in point no 26?

Under 4 MOA

 

[Whitecollar]

(a) a human sized target on range at 100 m distance, with rifle sight set for 200 m setting, on single shot (i.e. semi-automatic) fire mode, 6 out of 7 rounds fired, accuracy of weapon should be, or 'spread' of bullets should be, within 84mm x 84mm horizontal x vertical (i.e. a 84mm square) area, and precision or 'grouping' inside the box should be within 0 to 125mm vertically and 0 to 42mm horizontally either left or right from centre of the group

and similar to above,
(b) a human sized target on range at 200 m distance, with rifle sight set for 200 m setting, on single shot (i.e. semi-automatic) fire mode, 6 out of 7 rounds fired, accuracy of weapon should be, or 'spread' of bullets should be, within 168mm x 168mm horizontal x vertical (i.e. a 168mm square) area, and precision or 'grouping' inside the box should be within 0 to 250mm vertically and 0 to 84mm horizontally either left or right from centre of the group

hope am reading it right, having difficulty understanding last column, if am wrong about anything please correct me

Yeah understood thanks...what a way to lay down accuracy requirement by our babus...
We are more prone to hearing/reading alphas, charlies, moa.

In a way, one can roughly figure out practical accuracy of TAR at 200mtrs.

 

[Lonewarrior]

We are more prone to hearing/reading alphas, charlies, moa.

Continuing from where @Johny_Baba left.

- In a sqare of side 84mm, the diagonal would be 118mm.
- Now circumscribe that same square with a circle. The previous diagonal will become it's diameter.
- Consider a cone with base radius 59mm and height 100000mm (100m target range).
- The opening angle of this cone would be 0.068°
- Convert 0.068° in minutes of angle; 4.08'

Which is in line with what other militaries ask.
US tests M16 for 4 MOA. The Russian's (weird) requirement converts to 4 MOA. Even modern assault rifles like X95 are all 3 MOA guns.

 

[Whitecollar]

Continuing from where @Johny_Baba left.

- In a sqare of side 84mm, the diagonal would be 118mm.
- Now circumscribe that same square with a circle. The previous diagonal will become it's diameter.
- Consider a cone with base radius 59mm and height 100000mm (100m target range).
- The opening angle of this cone would be 0.068°
- Convert 0.068° in minutes of angle; 4.08'

Which is in line with what other militaries ask.
US tests M16 for 4 MOA. The Russian's (weird) requirement converts to 4 MOA. Even modern assault rifles like X95 are all 3 MOA guns.

Thanks for the info!

I've said it multiple times that tho OFB pushed their TAR in every possible Ind tender of Assault rifles, not much 'technical' data or test results have been uploaded over the internet for reference. So we have to always take it's performance factors "relative" to a Russian or Bulgarian AK(at best).

 

[Aditya Ballal]

I wonder what surprises they have for us this time

 

[SGOperative]

I wonder what surprises they have for us this time

maybe the new AR or AK series gun?

 

[Lonewarrior]

I wonder what surprises they have for us this time

All international firearm manufacturers are also crossing their fingers after seeing this tweet. God knows who's getting ripped this time

 

[AlphaRaiderZ]

My recommendation section creates a lot coincidences, this is one example . The person above is Travis Haley and co-incidentally his sons video was below it

 

[ManhattanProject]

All international firearm manufacturers are also crossing their fingers after seeing this tweet. God knows who's getting ripped this time

All foreign firearms manufacturers are ripping off someone or the other. They wont care, even the great HK copy plenty of shit.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Found a QR and Trial order for TAR. Can anyone explain the Accuracy test data mentioned in point no 26?

They specifically asked the rifle to be compatible with tac lights and laser designators. Good.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Can anyone identify the rifle carried by the guy to the left of this picture?

 

[SGOperative]

Can anyone identify the rifle carried by the guy to the left of this picture?

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Looks like PINDAD SS2 or could be this https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/08/23/drd-tactical-awarded-aptusamg-rifle-contract/amp/ or a Remington ACR

 

[SGOperative]

They specifically asked the rifle to be compatible with tac lights and laser designators. Good.

It had everyone's sign so MHA will procure and distribute it b/w CAPFs?

 

[Lonewarrior]

Can anyone identify the rifle carried by the guy to the left of this picture?

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DRD Tactical's Aptus

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Found a QR and Trial order for TAR. Can anyone explain the Accuracy test data mentioned in point no 26?

One of the first times I’m seeing this feature being demanded in India. Good on them.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Ok, here comes a tough question for the experts here.

Recently for the ToT of ASMI and ARDE Carbine many small firms were participating in the tender. Most of them don't even have websites.
So what must be the percentage of revenue that DRDO likely charges for ToT? Any guesstimation.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Ok, here comes a tough question for the experts here.

Recently for the ToT of ASMI and ARDE Carbine many small firms were participating in the tender. Most of them don't even have websites.
So what must be the percentage of revenue that DRDO likely charges for ToT? Any guesstimation.

Winner will be from those firms who have passed the scrutiny will competitively bid for the amount of money they’re willing to give DRDO per rifle ig.