Small arms and Light Weapons

[Lonewarrior]

CZ Bren 2 looks expensive to me but DW20 had Quality issues and their Ak103 deal is stuck too

It is; if you're using Carbon Fibre Reinforced Polymer, when every one else is using Glass Reinforced then it's bound to be more expensive.

But as of now, there is no huge order for Bren 2. If there is one, then economies of scale will surely show its effects.

Remember FN sells a vanilla M4 in civillian market for 1750 USD. But for an army contract it varies between 270 and 700 dollars.

 

[SGOperative]

From whome they are buying ak 103 ?

Russia who else, they will license produce it under the name of Pk21

 

[SGOperative]

It is; if you're using Carbon Fibre Reinforced Polymer, when every one else is using Glass Reinforced then it's bound to be more expensive.

But as of now, there is no huge order for Bren 2. If there is one, then economies of scale will surely show its effects.

Remember FN sells a vanilla M4 in civillian market for 1750 USD. But for an army contract it varies between 270 and 700 dollars.

Is there any AR gun which can fire .39?

 

[Whitecollar]

CZ Bren 2 looks expensive to me but DW20 had Quality issues and their Ak103 deal is stuck too

Lol...too afraid to induct their Future gen alien blasters(PK 18 & PK 21) I guess...

 

[Lonewarrior]

Is there any AR gun which can fire .39?

Every AR can mate

Change barrel and bolt; and you're good to go. You don't even need a different mag-well.

 

[Whitecollar]

Is there any AR gun which can fire .39?

CMMG MK47 Mutant

 

[SGOperative]

Every AR can mate

Change barrel and bolt; and you're good to go. You don't even need a different mag-well.

No i mean keeping the cost and getting the complete package for cheaper than Ak203

 

[Lonewarrior]

No i mean keeping the cost and getting the complete package for cheaper than Ak203

A new 7.62x39mm barrel for AR-15; 150 USD.
New bolt; 70 USD.

Add this to plethora of AR-15 kits available off the shelf; and still it'll be cheaper than AK-103.

 

[Whitecollar]

A new 7.62x39mm barrel for AR-15; 150 USD.
New bolt; 70 USD.

Add this to plethora of AR-15 kits available off the shelf; and still it'll be cheaper than AK-103.

Nice idea...I wonder why no country's army could come up with such a remarkable idea yet...

 

[Lonewarrior]

Nice idea...I wonder why no country's army could come up with such a remarkable idea yet...

Because; it'll be bit uncertain if you're not that big of a country.
Every army asks the manufacturer to provide a guarantee of spares for the whole service life of the weapon. But in this case you will be dependent on three different manufacturers.

But ya, there is one example of a country with an AR chambered in 7.62x39mm.
It's Yemen with their CK-901.

 

[Marliii]

You got some real hate for .39 lol

I dont hate it.but something that no major army uses anymore becomes our most used cartridge then i am fearfull.if the yanks saw some body armour wearing terrorists and then spend dollars on a new cartridge after 50 years then you know 7.62x39 ain't gonna be what we need when PA and PLA have efficient armour.even the chinks and the russians dumped it.and the whole GIGN saga is just for 50 units

 

[Lonewarrior]

and the whole GIGN saga is just for 50 units

Exactly; even I don't understand why people keep mentioning GIGN to justify our decision.
They are supposed to use that round in extreme close combat. That what the I in GIGN stand for.

Are our 7L troops also going to act as some kind of SWAT!?

 

[Whitecollar]

I dont hate it.but something that no major army uses anymore becomes our most used cartridge then i am fearfull.if the yanks saw some body armour wearing terrorists and then spend dollars on a new cartridge after 50 years then you know 7.62x39 ain't gonna be what we need when PA and PLA have efficient armour.even the chinks and the russians dumped it.and the whole GIGN saga is just for 50 units

This...I quoted this and nobody liked it. Everyone says Army knows best. What they haven't seen is Armies coming back to their Gunsmiths yelling "these don't penetrate! Fix em immediately!"
God forbid if our soldiers are the ones to face such a situation...but yep that's where we're headed for now.

 

[SGOperative]

I dont hate it.but something that no major army uses anymore becomes our most used cartridge then i am fearfull.if the yanks saw some body armour wearing terrorists and then spend dollars on a new cartridge after 50 years then you know 7.62x39 ain't gonna be what we need when PA and PLA have efficient armour.even the chinks and the russians dumped it.and the whole GIGN saga is just for 50 units

Yanks wanted something bigger which could also take some one out on long ranges too for us we wanted something which would take some one out and the range our engagements take place its well within it effective ballistic range so wont be that big of issue.
Also it would be alot cheaper than making a new bullet itself

 

[Marliii]

This...I quoted this and nobody liked it. Everyone says Army knows best. What they haven't seen is Armies coming back to their Gunsmiths yelling "these don't penetrate! Fix em immediately!"
God forbid if our soldiers are the ones to face such a situation...but yep that's where we're headed for now.

OFB has came up with a new insas 5.56 cartridge when we are phasing insas out.may be then used for carbines i think

 

[Marliii]

Yanks wanted something bigger which could also take some one out on long ranges too for us we wanted something which would take some one out and the range our engagements take place its well within it effective ballistic range so wont be that big of issue.

Yanks fight every where .so do we. we fight from the mountains to the forests to the deserts in every terrain the yanks fight.this subcontinent itself has more terrain.we have to do CQB in kashmir we have to do long range fights in Mountains

 

[Love Charger]

OFB has came up with a new insas 5.56 cartridge when we are phasing insas out.may be then used for carbines i think

They are for export

 

[SGOperative]

Yanks fight every where .so do we we fight from the mountains to the forests to the deserts in every terrain the yanks fight

For mountains we got the NATO rounds and if i am being honest to me its seems like this gun wont be serving for more than 10-15 yrs. Also IIRC ARDE was working on some intermediate cartridge. Choosing .39 was purely a cost saving method imo given we have already produced so many of em. And for yanks marine corps is going ahead with 5.56 for now so NATO standardization is gonna break now.

 

[Marliii]

They are for export

They were terming it as "insas 5.56 rounds"

 

[Whitecollar]

Yanks fight every where .so do we we fight from the mountains to the forests to the deserts in every terrain the yanks fight

Remember the 62 battle? Us with 303s and them with AK 56? Just reimagine the same scene:
Us with AK203s and them with higher velocity 5.8 mm QBZs and Level 3 armour.
(Omitting Sig 716 users)