Small arms and Light Weapons

When picking a gun, what would your primary consideration be?


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Twinblade

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AK74 from palmetto state armoury, imagine a rifle like this as our standard issued one!!
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PSA make shit tier AKMs. Almost all American made AKMs are shit.

People often confuse the simplicity of AKM components with ease of manufacturing. AKMs require very high quality control to be good. Soviet states built very high quality plants for them with ToT from Russia.

Most American AKM manufacturers use cast parts to save cost, like the piston, the bolt and the trunnion. Making forged steel components for such small production numbers is cost prohibitive.

Former combloc countries do not have that problem as the machinery, tooling a d dies already exist.

Even the dimpling and heat treatment on stamped components is a feature of its own. A good quality stamped receiver with proper dimpling will hold the trunnion on it's own even with loose rivets.

For those unaware, here's the AKM hierchy (excluding AKM derivatives such as Valmets and Galils)

Top tier:
-Kalashnikov/Saiga/Vepr and other Russian made rifles made at Izhmash, Tula or Molot
- East German MPI.KM72 (closest to Russian specs with german quality and no longer in production)
- Bulagarian Arsenal SLR and SAM AKM family (milled and stamped)
- Hungarian AKK
- Chinese type 56

Mid tier
- Romanian PM Md family
- Yugo (now Serb) Zastava family
- Polish Tantal
- Egyptian maadi rifles

Bottom tier
- Everything else, especially American

If the factory was not setup by the Russians, then the AKM is probably shit with very few exceptions.
 

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PSA make shit tier AKMs. Almost all American made AKMs are shit.

People often confuse the simplicity of AKM components with ease of manufacturing. AKMs require very high quality control to be good. Soviet states built very high quality plants for them with ToT from Russia.

Most American AKM manufacturers use cast parts to save cost, like the piston, the bolt and the trunnion. Making forged steel components for such small production numbers is cost prohibitive.

Former combloc countries do not have that problem as the machinery, tooling a d dies already exist.

Even the dimpling and heat treatment on stamped components is a feature of its own. A good quality stamped receiver with proper dimpling will hold the trunnion on it's own even with loose rivets.

For those unaware, here's the AKM hierchy (excluding AKM derivatives such as Valmets and Galils)

Top tier:
-Kalashnikov/Saiga/Vepr and other Russian made rifles made at Izhmash, Tula or Molot
- East German MPI.KM72 (closest to Russian specs with german quality and no longer in production)
- Bulagarian Arsenal SLR and SAM AKM family (milled and stamped)
- Hungarian AKK
- Chinese type 56

Mid tier
- Romanian PM Md family
- Yugo (now Serb) Zastava family
- Polish Tantal
- Egyptian maadi rifles

Bottom tier
- Everything else, especially American

If the factory was not setup by the Russians, then the AKM is probably shit with very few exceptions.
You forgot Darra AKs. Those are 10 levels below Bottom Tier.
 

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Is it worth it? QC of OFB was never good, I dont think modernization is worth it, rather buy accessories for Sig 716.
Why give it to OFB?
Is Modernization of Romanian AKs with RR given to OFB, no it is with FAB kits
There exist several kits to modernize those rifles and Irish army have done that already and use it in the DMR role
 

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Does any one know what is class1,class2,class3 stoppages in firearms?
 

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Does any one know what is class1,class2,class3 stoppages in firearms?
I'm guessing here
But, class 1- Cycle the bolt and you're good to go
Class 2 - Need some Extra effort
Class 3 - Weapon is Fuked
 

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Extra mags๐Ÿ˜‚
For his job
He shouldn't be carrying that weapon at all, a browning 9mm would be better, the reserves maybe armed with all the fancy thingamajigs
 

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For his job
He shouldn't be carrying that weapon at all, a browning 9mm would be better, the reserves maybe armed with all the fancy thingamajigs
They need some degree of full auto firepower, case in point 26/11.All they had were pistol 9mm 1As and 303s. For them an insas Excalibur or MK1C should suffice or some SMG.
 

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They need some degree of full auto firepower, case in point 26/11.All they had were pistol 9mm 1As and 303s. For them an insas Excalibur or MK1C should suffice or some SMG.
IMO
SMGs
full length rifle doesn't make sense really
 

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