Prahaar Short Range Tactical Missile System

[agentperry]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

after the first launch the army went on its critical analysis and its suitability with the force. after such a long time they have responded with affirmative. just see how long it takes even in army

 

[pmaitra]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

Wrong. When you use spy satellites, you look for garbage and roads that lead to nowhere to track missiles.

Roads to nowhere, yes, but garbage? Why would you look for garbage? With India, you have garbage everywhere, so every point is a missile site.

 

[Yusuf]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

Roads to nowhere, yes, but garbage? Why would you look for garbage? With India, you have garbage everywhere, so every point is a missile site.

You look for garbage on roads that lead to nowhere. I am not sure about Indian SOP, but a lot of men moved with US and Russian missiles on road. They created a lot of garbage. US hunted for garbage on desolate roads to triangulate.

 

[Dinesh_Kumar]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

from this

to this

So commander will have 6 options to fire instead of one Prithvi missile from single launcher.

That post really good. The pics make everything clear.

Looks like Prahaar has smaller logistic footprint than the Prithvi. Costs seem to be lower, as well, along with same range. Need smaller warhead though.

Not bad. I likee.

 

[Dinesh_Kumar]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

We need to rationalize missile inventory with fewer types, and improve flexibility with different warheads.

This will help logistics and streamline production in BDL.Hopefully lower costs as well. Ideally all should be Solid Fuel type.Maybe something like:

> Prahaar (upto 150 km )
> Agni 1 (upto 750 km)
> Agni 3 (upto 3500 km).

Agni 5 can be stratergic asset with limited nos. fielded.

We need to keep eye on costs and make hard nosed discussions like " to launch missile at 1100 km, should I use a Agni-II or Agni-III? Which is easier, cheaper, not a bitch to maintain and use? What about for 1300 km? for 1500 km? for 1700 km? , etc."

At present, we are using lot of different types.

> Prithvi Army

> Prithvi Air Force

> Agni 1

>Agni 2

>Agni 3

>Agni 4 (seems like improved Agni 2, better range and reliability, DRDO was able to productionise it quickly.)

> Agni 5

Also ABM versions AAD, PAD,etc.

 

[The Fox]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

The way i see it i don't think the Indian army Artillery division is going to get the nuclear armed Prahaar its is going to have the conventional warhead similar to Smersh except the increased range i came to this conclusion looking at the foll facts

1> India has a vary well defined nuclear command chain and it clearly states that all the nuclear missiles will be under SFC and will be directly under the Prime Minister of India and the corresponding Hierarchy

2> India is not Pakistan where military over rules the civilian Govt

3> No other P5 has given the command of the nuclear missiles to the commanding officers on the field except the Nuclear armed ballistic missile Submarines (BOOMERS).

4> the way the missile is designed and the diameter of the missile clearly suits for the unconventional ( Debatable ) however the final important point is

5> India doesn't need a Tactical Nuclear Missile because it has Agni Series and we have clear advantage over Pakis in this regard also other P5 and nuclear armed countries don't use Tactical Nuclear Missiles and USA and Russia have already destroyed their stock of Tactical Nuclear missile.......



Well according to me Tactical Nuclear Missile is like a Suicide Bomber who blow up his enemy as well as himself no matter how small the yield of the nuclear warhead is........

 

[Yusuf]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

We need to rationalize missile inventory with fewer types, and improve flexibility with different warheads.

This will help logistics and streamline production in BDL.Hopefully lower costs as well. Ideally all should be Solid Fuel type.Maybe something like:

> Prahaar (upto 150 km )
> Agni 1 (upto 750 km)
> Agni 3 (upto 3500 km).

Agni 5 can be stratergic asset with limited nos. fielded.

We need to keep eye on costs and make hard nosed discussions like " to launch missile at 1100 km, should I use a Agni-II or Agni-III? Which is easier, cheaper, not a bitch to maintain and use? What about for 1300 km? for 1500 km? for 1700 km? , etc."

At present, we are using lot of different types.

> Prithvi Army

> Prithvi Air Force

> Agni 1

>Agni 2

>Agni 3

>Agni 4 (seems like improved Agni 2, better range and reliability, DRDO was able to productionise it quickly.)

> Agni 5

Also ABM versions AAD, PAD,etc.

We have many types coz we have been on a learning curve. China has a greater inventory of different types of missiles. We started with liquid fueled to solid fueled. 150km range to ICBM range. In the long run, we will get rid of Prithvis, A1 will go and Shaurya will take its place, A3, A4 and A5 along with SLBMs will remain deterrent against China.

 

[Yusuf]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

The way i see it i don't think the Indian army Artillery division is going to get the nuclear armed Prahaar its is going to have the conventional warhead similar to Smersh except the increased range i came to this conclusion looking at the foll facts

1> India has a vary well defined nuclear command chain and it clearly states that all the nuclear missiles will be under SFC and will be directly under the Prime Minister of India and the corresponding Hierarchy

2> India is not Pakistan where military over rules the civilian Govt

3> No other P5 has given the command of the nuclear missiles to the commanding officers on the field except the Nuclear armed ballistic missile Submarines (BOOMERS).

4> the way the missile is designed and the diameter of the missile clearly suits for the unconventional ( Debatable ) however the final important point is

5> India doesn't need a Tactical Nuclear Missile because it has Agni Series and we have clear advantage over Pakis in this regard also other P5 and nuclear armed countries don't use Tactical Nuclear Missiles and USA and Russia have already destroyed their stock of Tactical Nuclear missile.......



Well according to me Tactical Nuclear Missile is like a Suicide Bomber who blow up his enemy as well as himself no matter how small the yield of the nuclear warhead is........

The US SLBMs are also not in control of the commander. Well he is there only to fire them but without the codes, he can't do anything. Codes come from the command authority

 

[Decklander]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

I will not consider this as a serious post from you..

I have not understood what you wish to convey and in what context? if it is regarding Tactical nukes, I wish to say that tactical weapons must always be with battlefield commanders and not SFC. If it is regarding 800ton nukes, than you must remember that the last two nukes in 1998 tests were sub kiloton devices.

I never stated the Battalion Cmdrs to have the authority, I stated that Army commanders shud have the authority. You may not be aware that our Northern Army Commander is one of the person who holds keys to Nuke Button.

 

[The Fox]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

The US SLBMs are also not in control of the commander. Well he is there only to fire them but without the codes, he can't do anything. Codes come from the command authority

Ok thanks for the update...... Well India too has similar Protocols.....

 

[TrueSpirit]

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You look for garbage on roads that lead to nowhere. I am not sure about Indian SOP, but a lot of men moved with US and Russian missiles on road. They created a lot of garbage. US hunted for garbage on desolate roads to triangulate.

That's a nice piece of info. Thanks

 

[TrueSpirit]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

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[TrueSpirit]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

Prahar has multiple warhead types including fragmentation type. This is an excellent decision to give this missile to IA Arty rather than SFC. This missile is a real battlefield tactical nuke missile with a range which will keep our own forces out of harms way if we deploys tactical nukes. The Hatf deployed by PA will create problems for its own forces and also lacks the payload reqd for tactical nukes. I had written about this missile in my earlier posts and also suggested that it shud be given to normal IA arty batteries as counter strike weapons against tactical missiles of PA & PLA and also to stop the movement of ARN & ARS of PA within their tracks well inside their territory before they can come anywhere close to deployment to support offensive defensive formations of PA which can be encircled and overwhelmed by our IBGs.

I will not consider this as a serious post from you..

I think @Decklander is correct.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

I am happy about this development, I think some one asked about Prahaar deployment few weeks back..

 

[Decklander]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

Prahar is a missile which can be deplyoed very close to the border and so it will have much shorter time to target giving it excellent quick reaction retaliatory strike capability. At the same time the sighter to shooter loop will squeeze to few minutes from few 10s of minutes when compared with SFC controlled missiles.
As We build a very strong and overwhelming conventional arms superiority over Pakistan, the nuke threshold of Pak will come down which means that use of Tactical weapons will become a bigger reality than ever. In such a scenerio, it is important that our Army commanders have the ability to react quickly without waiting for SFC to respond to a likely nuke strike on our forward elements or react quickly in case our forward elements are struck by tactical nukes.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

I will make a diagram on artillery overlap systems..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

I always view things in conventional way, Prahaar is a outstanding system covering BM-30 and Pinaka, And after that PJ-10 are covering others..

Prahar is a missile which can be deplyoed very close to the border and so it will have much shorter time to target giving it excellent quick reaction retaliatory strike capability. At the same time the sighter to shooter loop will squeeze to few minutes from few 10s of minutes when compared with SFC controlled missiles.

 

[Dinesh_Kumar]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

I have not understood what you wish to convey and in what context? if it is regarding Tactical nukes, I wish to say that tactical weapons must always be with battlefield commanders and not SFC. If it is regarding 800ton nukes, than you must remember that the last two nukes in 1998 tests were sub kiloton devices.

I never stated the Battalion Cmdrs to have the authority, I stated that Army commanders shud have the authority. You may not be aware that our Northern Army Commander is one of the person who holds keys to Nuke Button.

@Decklander:

Fascinating stuff abt Northern Army Commander. I know he controls largest Corps in the World (est. 100,000 people in a Single Corps,info courtesy Ravi Rikye in Orbat.com), having a hot option sounds logical actually, considering the friendly neighborhood dragon nearby. Is any link /source/further info abt this possible...

 

[Decklander]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

@Decklander:

Fascinating stuff abt Northern Army Commander. I know he controls largest Corps in the World (est. 100,000 people in a Single Corps,info courtesy Ravi Rikye in Orbat.com), having a hot option sounds logical actually, considering the friendly neighborhood dragon nearby. Is any link /source/further info abt this possible...

In our nuke chain of command, in case the ruling party leadership is taken out, leader of opposition will be boss, if he is also taken out, the three Chiefs will have it and if they too are taken out, The NA Commander will have the authority to launch nuke strikes and it goes further down.

Have you ever seen the convoy of NA commander? Bigger than that of COAS with nearly 29 vehicles.

 

[Yusuf]

Re: Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

@Decklander I didn't comment on your command and control part of your post but on acutely deployment of tactical nukes by us.