Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

Decanter has Judges, I prefer results from the main consumers (Vivino has 35 million plus users and over 10 million wines listed), not some judgement passed by old white men.

tested by specialists, without price notion and in blind test. I think, except for you of course, that it is serious.

 

[Immanuel]

I'm talking on facts. If you will go back serval pages you will find total flaws in this F-21. It's only Taiwan who is getting this F-16 because Americans cannot sell there F-35 to them. Poland to Australia everyone is buying F-35.
US is not a reliable ally because of certain issue's and that's the reason why indian government is making itself much closer to france to replace Russia. And is still working with Russia buying s-400 and giving credit to them.
Us is a great ally lamo how many times trump fucked our stand on Kashmir issue for his pathetic tiny gains in Afghanistan? Or recently updated all Pakistani F-16 and to increase there operational ready ness.

If comcasa was so good why indian government took so much hmmmmms yesss to sign it and delayed it??
Certainly they wanted us weapons without it.

US will not supply india there best weapons cost is terribly high. They doesn't want to share tot
Russia still helped india in nuclear subs bhramos and many more things Ak-203
FRENCH are working in project 75.

I'm not a fan boy of any particular country but indian policy doesn't consider US as it's all time ally your comments are build and focused on what you think what should be done. What I'm saying the work which government is doing . That's why GOI is working with france

Us is a superpower they have multiple interests if you think they will be ever pro india then you need to wake Up

Rejected F-21 is also such kind of move. India still doesn't want to depend on US to much.

US is known for it's backstabbing policies i think this whole American interference is not a surprise to our diplomats because of the following reasons.

move which was nothing more than symbolism, US rechristened its ‘Pacific Command’, the ‘US Indo-Pacific Command’, underscoring the growing importance of India in US’ scheme of things but chose to repeatedly delay the much touted 2+2 dialogue. The meetings was scheduled for April 2018 between the Defence and the Foreign Ministers of India and US and address the growing differences over the Iran Nuclear Deal and the brewing tariff war between the two countries.
The postponements were seen as a sign of growing attenuation of US’ interest in India relations and Trump’s move back to US’ erstwhile AfPak centric South Asia Policy resulting in US moving closer to Pakistan at the cost of India relations.

*March 2018, US announced a 25 percent tariff on imported steel and a 10 percent tariff on imported aluminum that hurt India. US granted exemption to Argentina, European Union, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Mexico and S Korea but chose not to accede to India’s request for relief.

*After putting India on notice of its intent to terminate the country’s designation as a ‘beneficiary developing nation’ under the key Generalised System of Preference (GSP) trade programme on March 04 2019, US Administration withdrew GSP benefits to India with effect from June 05, 2019. During the meetings after India was put on notice, US had demanded that India allow imports of agriculture, milk, and poultry products from US. Obviously US chose to ignore India’s domestic interests

Chinese threat to India’s Northern borders and Indian Ocean besides China-Pakistan nexus are often cited as the reason why India needs to enter into a military alliance with US. Will US which till today has not even supported India’s claims against either Pakistan or China militarily intervene or fight alongside India’s military? US remaining silent during Doklam standoff is an eye opener

*Maintaining freedom of navigation in the Indian Ocean and open airspace in the Indian Ocean region is a matter of interest to all the countries of the world which use these medium for transportation and not India’s alone. India becoming a US proxy in its efforts to contain China is not in the larger interests of the country. India’s emphasis under these circumstances lies in strengthening its economy, internal coherence and building military capacity. India will do well to maintain balance in it relations with the major powers.

Nigga, read what I am saying and stop posting garbage.

I never said the F-21 is for India, we don't need it. I only say that our relationship with the US is fine and that the armed forces aren't shy in buying and operating American because they are comfy with Civilian Govt. dealing with the US on a case by case basis.

The rest of the nonsense you write are matters of discussion between the two nations. At times the cards will align, at times they won't and US is comfy with that and we should be comfy with what we want to do as well. There will be many more disagreements in future as well, you can be sure of that but there will also be massive expanded trade, there are already lot of avenues for cooperation specially in energy, IT, innovation etc. Once the trade deals are sorted out, expect the trade relation to get better. The US has every right to fix it's massive trade imbalances including with India (why is that a surprise?), they don't call India Tariff king in the west for no reason.

Like most who don't see the long game, you forget that relations today are a result of over 25 years of slow and steady progress.

Why do you want some US help or sympathy during Dokhlam or even now for Kashmir, India is a regional power. We should do what we intend to do. Why is it that you feel like IA or any body needed any support go get China to back off. The fact that via C-17s and other assets, IAF/IA landed over a brigade of soldiers in re-enforcement in that area in a few hrs meant, China had to move back. US only asked for return to status quo.

GOI will work with France or with US or with Timbuktu for all we care just depends how good a deal is. Rafale is a good deal, IAF should get 5 more squadrons. I have also been saying P-75 is waste of time, just order another 6 Scorpenes with AIP while keeping the MDL line open.

You are also absolutely incorrect spewing nonsense that we don't get the latest kit from the US: P-8I, Apache Block 3, MH-64, M-777 are all top of the line system. Not to mention the C-17, Chinooks and C-130J. Actually P-8I is better than the early P-8A deliveries to the USAF (due to the additional air scan mode). Watch as NASAMs-2, 39 more Apaches Block 3s, option for more Chinooks, more P-8I coming, MH-64Rs, Armed Drones etc. come into inventory in the next 5-10 years.

 

[Immanuel]

5 to 6 € it's more like vinegar.

It's still French vinegar then

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Holy crap, why are we talking about wine in the Rafale thread? And to those who support buying f 18 or f 16, Rafale is better than both. Full stop. Thats the plane our Air Force likes best, so thats what we're buying. Let's get back to talking about Rafales capabilities and scenarios it'll be used in.

 

[Immanuel]

Holy crap, why are we talking about wine in the Rafale thread? And to those who support buying f 18 or f 16, Rafale is better than both. Full stop. Thats the plane our Air Force likes best, so thats what we're buying. Let's get back to talking about Rafales capabilities and scenarios it'll be used in.

The Rafale is the ideal replacement for the entire Jag fleet which is going to be mothballed by mid next decade anyways, hence 5 more Rafale Sqds needed.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

The Rafale is the ideal replacement for the entire Jag fleet which is going to be mothballed by mid next decade anyways, hence 5 more Rafale Sqds needed.

We should just keep buying more batches of 36. We all know what type of fiasco TOT creates from our Su 30mki experience.

 

[Shiv sagar]

Holy crap, why are we talking about wine in the Rafale thread? And to those who support buying f 18 or f 16, Rafale is better than both. Full stop. Thats the plane our Air Force likes best, so thats what we're buying. Let's get back to talking about Rafales capabilities and scenarios it'll be used in.

Not only better, buying more Rafale makes sense as 1.it already have the logistics and maintenance support.
2. Lesser cost in training of pilots and support staff.
3. Already introduced weapons systems or existing interchangeable weapons systems.
4. Lesser delay in introduction of platforms in theatrical scenario. Any new platform will further delay the deployment by another 5 or 6 years.
So in short somebody should be really insane to buy another platform other than Rafale.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

You are also absolutely incorrect spewing nonsense that we don't get the latest kit from the US: P-8I, Apache Block 3, MH-64, M-777 are all top of the line system. Not to mention the C-17, Chinooks and C-130J. Actually P-8I is better than the early P-8A deliveries to the USAF (due to the additional air scan mode). Watch as NASAMs-2, 39 more Apaches Block 3s, option for more Chinooks, more P-8I coming, MH-64Rs, Armed Drones etc. come into inventory in the next 5-10 years.

Hmm hmmmm. You are getting blind and blind and blind.
I'm telling facts lamo india us trade deficit is shits nothing serious.
Besides p-8i every single weapon you said is operated by non nato allys nothing special.
If you expect french support when you buy there weapons then we should expect same from Us.
Why? We should not seak American support when they want to use india as there proxy?
Apache and all are not strategic weapon
And that nasams are pathetic air to air missile system containing amram and that shit is also operated by non nato allys.
Strategic weapons are like subs can us give it no.
Can india use miserable American weapons before informing them? I guess no.
Please stop being a blind follower and open your eyes if you think by sales of some common platforms india and US are top allys then you are living in dream wake up.
India is a regional power but not a super power and American support matters which so farr is not there.
If government is cozy with france there is a reason because they can support india and france did that in every single statement which they issued.
Stop claiming Idiotic things diplomatic supports matter alot. Without American support many Asian countries cannot survive.

And fun fact how much of tot we have in any of these Weapons?

Stop being a fan boy. Certain people cannot accept the reality. And there are also sanctions coming. Americans are not so great ally that's the reason we are getting s-400 instead of F-35 they can support any nation which matches there interest nothing else.
It's not our fault if india Us relationship was shit in past they chose jihadi Pakistan above india.
I would say it's fine but it's nothing more than that.

And check your above post the first comment you made was f-16 is much better deal because there is scope of sales equipment to other nations.

And the way they fucked our Kashmir issue is really amazing. It took personal modi and trump meeting to fix it.
Now you will say foreign support doesn't matter but fact is UN support matters alot.

In my thinking US-india relationship needs to be just transactional nothing else.
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[Immanuel]

We should just keep buying more batches of 36. We all know what type of fiasco TOT creates from our Su 30mki experience.

Indeed, just buy the next 5 sqds with DRAL doing basic screwdriver shit i.e keep the plane flying with ability make critical spares in India while the rest long lead items coming from France. However, we probably have to pay more for integrating Indian weapons like Astra, Garuda and Garuthma glide bombs, SAAW bombs, ARM, Nirbhay etc.

 

[BON PLAN]

6. Freemark Abbey Winery 1972

USA
7. Batard-Montrachet Ramonet-Prudhon 1973

France
8. Puligny-Montrachet Les Pucelles Domaine Leflaive 1972

France
9. Veedercrest Vineyards 1972

USA
10. David Bruce Winery 1973

USA

And French wines until now have not gotten over that shock nor has it recovered its composure.

1973 was the year of the most famous and catastroffic drought in France (maybe worst this year.... just wait)
This is probably why 1973 other wines are on top.
Give me the same rank saying for 1995, 1996, or 2005, or 2010.....

 

[BON PLAN]

Indeed, just buy the next 5 sqds with DRAL doing basic screwdriver shit i.e keep the plane flying with ability make critical spares in India while the rest long lead items coming from France. However, we probably have to pay more for integrating Indian weapons like Astra, Garuda and Garuthma glide bombs, SAAW bombs, ARM, Nirbhay etc.

ASTRA integration is already paid. As SPICE.
And we could imagine than inside the ToT Dassaut give you the key for next integrations (I hope India top brass negociated that in the whole package).
After all, we gave you the key to integrate laser bombs on M2000. Without Dassault agrrement, it would have been impossible, or at least far more long (and you were in a hurry).

 

[Assassin 2.0]

ASTRA integration is already paid. As SPICE.
And we could imagine than inside the ToT Dassaut give you the key for next integrations (I hope India top brass negociated that in the whole package).
After all, we gave you the key to integrate laser bombs on M2000. Without Dassault agrrement, it would have been impossible, or at least far more long (and you were in a hurry).

In a interview of ex air chief Marshal of IAF he was saying that we will try to integrate Bhramos NG in rafale.

 

[Immanuel]

Hmm hmmmm. You are getting blind and blind and blind.
I'm telling facts lamo india us trade deficit is shits nothing serious.
Besides p-8i every single weapon you said is operated by non nato allys nothing special.
If you expect french support when you buy there weapons then we should expect same from Us.
Why? We should not seak American support when they want to use india as there proxy?
Apache and all are not strategic weapon
And that nasams are pathetic air to air missile system containing amram and that shit is also operated by non nato allys.
Strategic weapons are like subs can us give it no.
Can india use miserable American weapons before informing them? I guess no.
Please stop being a blind follower and open your eyes if you think by sales of some common platforms india and US are top allys then you are living in dream wake up.
India is a regional power but not a super power and American support matters which so farr is not there.
If government is cozy with france there is a reason because they can support india and france did that in every single statement which they issued.
Stop claiming Idiotic things diplomatic supports matter alot. Without American support many Asian countries cannot survive.

And fun fact how much of tot we have in any of these Weapons?

Stop being a fan boy. Certain people cannot accept the reality. And there are also sanctions coming. Americans are not so great ally that's the reason we are getting s-400 instead of F-35 they can support any nation which matches there interest nothing else.
It's not our fault if india Us relationship was shit in past they chose jihadi Pakistan above india.
I would say it's fine but it's nothing more than that.​

Nigga stop being a little bitch and talking non sense. Whether allies or non NATO allies operate any of those platforms don't make them less cutting edge. We are not seeking US products, they just happen to be there when we need them. P-8I, C-130J, C-17s, M-777, Apaches have no real competition (they were acquired to meet operational needs, silly you niggas seem to think we just spend billions buying shit we don't need)

This Nigga can't tell the difference between strategic weapon and a strategic platform (a sub is not a strategic weapon, it's strategic platform only if it allows for strategic weapons to employed from it). A country has strategic goals and assets that can help achieve those goals. Apache, C-17, Chinooks, M-777, P-8I are all platforms that will be used on day one and are equally important. There is a reason why IN is buying more. Same will happen with all other deals, expect a lot more deals.

NASAMS-2 is a highly mobile air defense system meant to protect the most sensitive sights i.e south block, north block, RS Bhawan, parliament etc in NCR and other high value areas from swarm attacks due to high volume of missiles they deploy, rapid mobility. A NASAMs-2 battalion has 12 launcher with 6 missiles each, all 72 missiles can be fired in seconds and can defend out to 40km and 14km altitude.They can be launched from highly mobile vehicles or fixed stationary launchers.

https://www.raytheon.com/sites/defa...roups/public/documents/content/nasams_pdf.pdf

Only a dumb nigga would say it's a pathetic system. Oh you moron of the highest order, do you in your right mind actually believe IAF, MOD and others would buy a shitty system to protect their most holy/royal asses in NCR? Politicians and Service commands don't take their safety lightly. This dumb nigga is dumber than the average dumb nigga. If anything they are also adding BMD phase-1 elements for NCR, as far as they are concerned self security first, the rest of the country can wait

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...r_Defence_System_From_US_For__1B#.XXpUKlUzZpg

By the way, what TOT are you getting on the 36 Rafale now for comparison?

Indian doesn't need any permission from the US to operate these against whoever needed. Again only a dumb nigga would say such nonsense.

Many Asian countries need the US but we don't need them in the same way. We need no US help in settling our borders, even if they want to help. It's their perogative to ask, it's our prerogative to politely decline the need for mediation. India's borders are for India to settle.

You're the ass wipe who brought up trade and all that nonsense. None of your nonsense is reflected in IAF, IN and IA decision making so far.

There are no sanctions coming, nigga you is fake news. You sound like a leftist, unwashed abdul.

India also needs to be a better friend. Knowing fully well there is strong Jewish lobby in the US, we still vote against US/ Israel quite often in the UN, so why do we expect that people will be aligned with us always. Israel has been a good friend to India, yet we pick unwashed Abduls from Palestine and Iran over them. Apart from Oil, what magical value does Iran have for India in this day and age? Why do we continue to abandon Afganisthan? Is it really that bad to drop off a few dozen tanks, helos, weapons and kit. Arjun, Akash, some LCA, Dhruvs, Rudra to them in return for access to mining rights, infra development, energy etc. Who says we need to send troops to be helpful. A simple 3-5 billion military package with all our domestic products would go a long way in fostering our local manufacturing and build a strong production base. We don't have to do as Charity either.

US and India will continue to be partners in trade, defense and host of other avenues. The scale will always be bigger than the relationship with France. US is our second largest trading partner.

 

[Armand2REP]

Price: Does average French wine command more price than average American wine? Nope. Average Napa Cabernet costs 40-80% more than average Bordeaux.

Of course it does, Americans consume $34 billion worth of wine a year averaging $20 a bottle. The French wines command the highest prices and California $10 gutter wines bring up the rear by volume. The next time you go to a petrol station or grocery store look at the shelves, that is what people buy in bulk. Not $800 bottle of wines from specialty stores.

 

[Immanuel]

In a interview of ex air chief Marshal of IAF he was saying that we will try to integrate Bhramos NG in rafale.

Integration of Brahmos requires that Russia get access to mission computers of the Rafale and France gets in depth knowledge of Brahmos capabilities, seeker tech, etc. Do you think France will allow that? Brahmos is a JV, Russia will never allow for such integration.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Nigga stop being a little bitch and talking non sense. Whether allies or non NATO allies operate any of those platforms don't make them less cutting edge. We are not seeking US products, they just happen to be there when we need them. P-8I, C-130J, C-17s, M-777, Apaches have no real competition (they were acquired to meet operational needs, silly you niggas seem to think we just spend billions buying shit we don't need)

This Nigga can't tell the difference between strategic weapon and a strategic platform (a sub is not a strategic weapon, it's strategic platform only if it allows for strategic weapons to employed from it). A country has strategic goals and assets that can help achieve those goals. Apache, C-17, Chinooks, M-777, P-8I are all platforms that will be used on day one and are equally important. There is a reason why IN is buying more. Same will happen with all other deals, expect a lot more deals.

NASAMS-2 is a highly mobile air defense system meant to protect the most sensitive sights i.e south block, north block, RS Bhawan, parliament etc in NCR and other high value areas from swarm attacks due to high volume of missiles they deploy, rapid mobility. A NASAMs-2 battalion has 12 launcher with 6 missiles each, all 72 missiles can be fired in seconds and can defend out to 40km and 14km altitude.They can be launched from highly mobile vehicles or fixed stationary launchers.

https://www.raytheon.com/sites/defa...roups/public/documents/content/nasams_pdf.pdf

Only a dumb nigga would say it's a pathetic system. Oh you moron of the highest order, do you in your right mind actually believe IAF, MOD and others would buy a shitty system to protect their most holy/royal asses in NCR? Politicians and Service commands don't take their safety lightly. This dumb nigga is dumber than the average dumb nigga. If anything they are also adding BMD phase-1 elements for NCR, as far as they are concerned self security first, the rest of the country can wait

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...r_Defence_System_From_US_For__1B#.XXpUKlUzZpg

By the way, what TOT are you getting on the 36 Rafale now for comparison?

Indian doesn't need any permission from the US to operate these against whoever needed. Again only a dumb nigga would say such nonsense.

Many Asian countries need the US but we don't need them in the same way. We need no US help in settling our borders, even if they want to help. It's their perogative to ask, it's our prerogative to politely decline the need for mediation. India's borders are for India to settle.

You're the ass wipe who brought up trade and all that nonsense. None of your nonsense is reflected in IAF, IN and IA decision making so far.

There are no sanctions coming, nigga you is fake news. You sound like a leftist, unwashed abdul.

India also needs to be a better friend. Knowing fully well there is strong Jewish lobby in the US, we still vote against US/ Israel quite often in the UN, so why do we expect that people will be aligned with us always. Israel has been a good friend to India, yet we pick unwashed Abduls from Palestine and Iran over them. Apart from Oil, what magical value does Iran have for India in this day and age? Why do we continue to abandon Afganisthan? Is it really that bad to drop off a few dozen tanks, helos, weapons and kit. Arjun, Akash, some LCA, Dhruvs, Rudra to them in return for access to mining rights, infra development, energy etc. Who says we need to send troops to be helpful. A simple 3-5 billion military package with all our domestic products would go a long way in fostering our local manufacturing and build a strong production base. We don't have to do as Charity either.

US and India will continue to be partners in trade, defense and host of other avenues. The scale will always be bigger than the relationship with France. US is our second largest trading partner.

Everything is okay but why the hell you called me Abdul.
It's a interesting topic. I will catch you up later with this stuff with more facts.
You have different perspective i have different one time will tell. And i think india is buying those NASAM-2 to give Americans some deal so that the issue of sanctions can go down. India - US relationship will be more of a transitional they are super power and india is not going to join nato and have different issues. Reality the fact is they were not pro india in this Kashmir issue too. Because the simple fact they have multiple goals i gave you examples how they updated paki jets and all is the one part of there policies they are a superpower with multiple issues. Some decisions of there side cannot be pro india. Americans in past used to gave preferences that we will support you because common values even in cold war india got loans from World bank but that shit is drop dead now. You can call me many names and all but india is constantly doing things that's why i bought trade because now there policy is changed now its a mentality that people are stealing from us. How to make American influence more strong hurt them sanction them. This is the new core. This is the reason why Donald Trump targets india most of the times. Because of this new ideology GSP was removed. India economy is very small and trade difference is also small.

Multiple articles and multiple diplomats says the same thing US is a super power with different gains they cannot be pro india all the times. But countries like France can be.
There are multiple Areas in which we had tot. From france in helicopter it's the shakti engine and in subs too we got them in project 75. Chabhar port is the strategic location and one of the key thing to access central asia.
In the end there is nothing like friends or anything in diplomatic world there is only one thing interest nothing else.
(you are talking like emotionally going personal and bla bla. Looks like you cannot hear any thing against us.)


12:00 check this out. I think this man is having some knowledge. It's not a issue about Russia in bhramos much i guess its more from french side.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Nigga stop being a little bitch and talking non sense. Whether allies or non NATO allies operate any of those platforms don't make them less cutting edge. We are not seeking US products, they just happen to be there when we need them. P-8I, C-130J, C-17s, M-777, Apaches have no real competition (they were acquired to meet operational needs, silly you niggas seem to think we just spend billions buying shit we don't need)

This Nigga can't tell the difference between strategic weapon and a strategic platform (a sub is not a strategic weapon, it's strategic platform only if it allows for strategic weapons to employed from it). A country has strategic goals and assets that can help achieve those goals. Apache, C-17, Chinooks, M-777, P-8I are all platforms that will be used on day one and are equally important. There is a reason why IN is buying more. Same will happen with all other deals, expect a lot more deals.

NASAMS-2 is a highly mobile air defense system meant to protect the most sensitive sights i.e south block, north block, RS Bhawan, parliament etc in NCR and other high value areas from swarm attacks due to high volume of missiles they deploy, rapid mobility. A NASAMs-2 battalion has 12 launcher with 6 missiles each, all 72 missiles can be fired in seconds and can defend out to 40km and 14km altitude.They can be launched from highly mobile vehicles or fixed stationary launchers.

https://www.raytheon.com/sites/defa...roups/public/documents/content/nasams_pdf.pdf

Only a dumb nigga would say it's a pathetic system. Oh you moron of the highest order, do you in your right mind actually believe IAF, MOD and others would buy a shitty system to protect their most holy/royal asses in NCR? Politicians and Service commands don't take their safety lightly. This dumb nigga is dumber than the average dumb nigga. If anything they are also adding BMD phase-1 elements for NCR, as far as they are concerned self security first, the rest of the country can wait

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...r_Defence_System_From_US_For__1B#.XXpUKlUzZpg

By the way, what TOT are you getting on the 36 Rafale now for comparison?

Indian doesn't need any permission from the US to operate these against whoever needed. Again only a dumb nigga would say such nonsense.

Many Asian countries need the US but we don't need them in the same way. We need no US help in settling our borders, even if they want to help. It's their perogative to ask, it's our prerogative to politely decline the need for mediation. India's borders are for India to settle.

You're the ass wipe who brought up trade and all that nonsense. None of your nonsense is reflected in IAF, IN and IA decision making so far.

There are no sanctions coming, nigga you is fake news. You sound like a leftist, unwashed abdul.

India also needs to be a better friend. Knowing fully well there is strong Jewish lobby in the US, we still vote against US/ Israel quite often in the UN, so why do we expect that people will be aligned with us always. Israel has been a good friend to India, yet we pick unwashed Abduls from Palestine and Iran over them. Apart from Oil, what magical value does Iran have for India in this day and age? Why do we continue to abandon Afganisthan? Is it really that bad to drop off a few dozen tanks, helos, weapons and kit. Arjun, Akash, some LCA, Dhruvs, Rudra to them in return for access to mining rights, infra development, energy etc. Who says we need to send troops to be helpful. A simple 3-5 billion military package with all our domestic products would go a long way in fostering our local manufacturing and build a strong production base. We don't have to do as Charity either.

US and India will continue to be partners in trade, defense and host of other avenues. The scale will always be bigger than the relationship with France. US is our second largest trading partner.

India will always always always balance out relationship with US mark my word's this is the reason why still 60% systems comes from Russia to india. Many systems from france. And will continue to take hard stand for its own interests be it squirming against article 370 or hard lines by Americans in S-400.
If india needs to become a power we need to take our own line instead of following anyone which will be in the end will be bad for the national interest. India will buy system from US because of there strong lobbying but will not leave other nations.

India policy is of supporting MULTIPOLAR world instead of protectionist. That's the reason we will never join nato or be a permanent ally of a super power.

If the things and amazing sounding stories you are saying were true then we would have already bought that shit F-16 and patriot not s-400. You're comments sounds like you want to make india a cuck power.
It looks like you are someone who lives in US and cannot listen anything against it that's why you are targeting people over French wine and American. Just for proving American one is the best. Forgetting reality. The reality of how much life is different in US and india is the same reality between india and US relationship. I'm ending this up. Will come back to you again when US will take some hard actions against india.

(The US deliberately permitted China to proliferate nuclear technology to Pakistan, falsely certifying to Congress every year that Pakistan was not making a nuclear bomb. Abdul Qadeer Khan, who blatantly proliferated nuclear technology with crafty Musharraf feigning ignorance (believed conveniently by US administration), was not even questioned by US intelligence. This is the case of 90s but to prove you something that there is nothing permanent for a super power)



Relationship with the US will be always transactional.

 

[Immanuel]

Yes US had bigger issues to deal with than India, we are but a mid size partner to them. They have bigger fish to fry with China, Russia, EU.

We need to treat the US as fair weather friends. In any relationship with friends there will be disagreements and compromises.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...rawal-of-tariffs/amp_articleshow/71071029.cms

Let's not confuse political chitchat and all the noice with hostility. Behind the scenes, for the last 20 years, India has had more military exchanges and excercises with US than any other country including Russia. At the military level our relationship is cordial as ever. Our services know that when push comes to shove with Pak or with China, US won't get in the way.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Yes US had bigger issues to deal with than India, we are but a mid size partner to them. They have bigger fish to fry with China, Russia, EU.

We need to treat the US as fair weather friends. In any relationship with friends there will be disagreements and compromises.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...rawal-of-tariffs/amp_articleshow/71071029.cms

Let's not confuse political chitchat and all the noice with hostility. Behind the scenes, for the last 20 years, India has had more military exchanges and excercises with US than any other country including Russia. At the military level our relationship is cordial as ever. Our services know that when push comes to shove with Pak or with China, US won't get in the way.

No one is friend there is nothing like friends in this world. Only friend of india is bhutan. And Mauritius and Israel but no one else. Be practical.
Everyone have just gains india will think how much to milk us they will think the same.
No one is friend. No one.
Everyone thing is for interest.
If we would have ever thought Americans or xyz as a friend then we would have allowed them to build a military base and place there missiles. But it's not going to happen. For me there is only one thing national interest.

(India is quite proud of their nonaligned policy status. They view this discussion about the AS-400 as a policy issue and not a technical tactical and a technical one. So - US-indo pacific command chief.)

 

[Wisemarko]

Of course it does, Americans consume $34 billion worth of wine a year averaging $20 a bottle. The French wines command the highest prices and California $10 gutter wines bring up the rear by volume. The next time you go to a petrol station or grocery store look at the shelves, that is what people buy in bulk. Not $800 bottle of wines from specialty stores.

Your knowledge is limited in wine as well. On average, French wine is cheaper than US wine. The Grand Crus command high price but other French wine cannot. This compared to average US wine which sells for much higher price. The reason is that US wine made with modern tech and less archaic restrictions, is better quality.
The top end Napa beats French wine in every blind tasting, including done by French “experts”.
Read more here and learn:
https://frenchly.us/why-is-wine-so-cheap-in-france/