Indian Special Forces

[HawkisRight]

They think special operations are a bunch of Rambos gunning down cannon fodder and blowing random things up. In reality special operations are methodical and precise actions driven by brains, skills and gaining as many advantages as possible through tech and information. It's about gaining vast skills and then augmenting them with tech to achieve heights unachievable with skill and training alone. I've said it once and I'll say it again: Skills, tactics, Unit cohesion and brains will always be the decisive factor, but gear makes a world of difference in giving that extra edge over the OPFOR allowing for much more effective operations and potentially even saving your life.
Meanwhile these goatfuckers think SOF = kill tons of people, and that movie Uri doesn't help either. It makes the SF look like a bunch of counter terrorist virgins who've never done DAs against Pakistan in their lives, when in reality the SF's been doing this kind of shit since all the way back in 2001. You have the fucking NSA signaling the DGMO to hush up in the final op when Vihan is psychologically unfit to continue, when any fucking bureaucrat would be lucky to even be in the room in the first place, much less talk like he's the one coordinating it. Ajit Doval is a Spy, not a military officer. if you're gonna portray the SF, do it realistically. Show the planning, the tactics without flash-lighting the enemy position every time. Once the civilians get a sense of what special ops actually are (less killing, more information gathering usually) they'll automatically shut the fuck up.
This video is one of the most realistic depictions of an HVT raid, it even puts zero dark thirty to shame with tactics:

Dude Cinema is for masses U don't tell boomers about these technicalities cause 1 dey don't give a shit 2 dey won't understand.. it's a niche and Enthusiasts will find d info but domain knowledge ain't fir mango public.. what is portrayed in Bollywood or even Hollywood is a entertainment(prime eg is Top Gun)..

 

[Phantom sierra]

They think special operations are a bunch of Rambos gunning down cannon fodder and blowing random things up. In reality special operations are methodical and precise actions driven by brains, skills and gaining as many advantages as possible through tech and information. It's about gaining vast skills and then augmenting them with tech to achieve heights unachievable with skill and training alone. I've said it once and I'll say it again: Skills, tactics, Unit cohesion and brains will always be the decisive factor, but gear makes a world of difference in giving that extra edge over the OPFOR allowing for much more effective operations and potentially even saving your life.
Meanwhile these goatfuckers think SOF = kill tons of people, and that movie Uri doesn't help either. It makes the SF look like a bunch of counter terrorist virgins who've never done DAs against Pakistan in their lives, when in reality the SF's been doing this kind of shit since all the way back in 2001. You have the fucking NSA signaling the DGMO to hush up in the final op when Vihan is psychologically unfit to continue, when any fucking bureaucrat would be lucky to even be in the room in the first place, much less talk like he's the one coordinating it. Ajit Doval is a Spy, not a military officer. if you're gonna portray the SF, do it realistically. Show the planning, the tactics without flash-lighting the enemy position every time. Once the civilians get a sense of what special ops actually are (less killing, more information gathering usually) they'll automatically shut the fuck up.
This video is one of the most realistic depictions of an HVT raid, it even puts zero dark thirty to shame with tactics:

Movies are bound to have extra "masala", without emotions and pent up patriotic dialogues it will become a documentary. The good thing was they didn't show the Major's character romancing a damsel .The most accurate 'film' about indian spec ops is history tv 18's documentary.

 

[Killbot]

They think special operations are a bunch of Rambos gunning down cannon fodder and blowing random things up. In reality special operations are methodical and precise actions driven by brains, skills and gaining as many advantages as possible through tech and information. It's about gaining vast skills and then augmenting them with tech to achieve heights unachievable with skill and training alone. I've said it once and I'll say it again: Skills, tactics, Unit cohesion and brains will always be the decisive factor, but gear makes a world of difference in giving that extra edge over the OPFOR allowing for much more effective operations and potentially even saving your life.
Meanwhile these goatfuckers think SOF = kill tons of people, and that movie Uri doesn't help either. It makes the SF look like a bunch of counter terrorist virgins who've never done DAs against Pakistan in their lives, when in reality the SF's been doing this kind of shit since all the way back in 2001. You have the fucking NSA signaling the DGMO to hush up in the final op when Vihan is psychologically unfit to continue, when any fucking bureaucrat would be lucky to even be in the room in the first place, much less talk like he's the one coordinating it. Ajit Doval is a Spy, not a military officer. if you're gonna portray the SF, do it realistically. Show the planning, the tactics without flash-lighting the enemy position every time. Once the civilians get a sense of what special ops actually are (less killing, more information gathering usually) they'll automatically shut the fuck up.
This video is one of the most realistic depictions of an HVT raid, it even puts zero dark thirty to shame with tactics:

That is why I absolutely love Zero Dark Thirty, Sicario series etc. They have a touch of realism to them. For example, in Zero Dark Thirty, the CIA doesn't interfere in the actual raid. And the portrayal of SAC-SOG is accurate. Interrogators and field intel officers. When will bollywood even begin to hold a candle to stuff like that.

Don't agree with the video being accurate at all. Clearing a building as big as the one portrayed will be an extremely large scale operation. It'll probably involve dozens of JSOC (in America's case) operators and maybe a whole company of Rangers on Standby as QRT. Not to mention an armed drone and possibly a gunship.

No way anyone sends Two guys. Even if it were only one team being shown out of many, there would be at least 4 men (team leader, breacher and two riflemen). These guys don't have specialised breaching equipment and one of them is using a bloody 1-6x magnification LPVO. He has a canted reflex sight, but still. Why would you do that if you're clearing a building? Zero Dark Thirty got ot absolutely right.

The basic rule of an ambush is that you outnumber the enemy, or at least appear to overwhelm them.

Death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Baghdadi raid. Operation Kayla Mueller. Read the "raid" section. There were ISR drones, gunships etc.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

That is why I absolutely love Zero Dark Thirty, Sicario series etc. They have a touch of realism to them. For example, in Zero Dark Thirty, the CIA doesn't interfere in the actual raid. And the portrayal of SAC-SOG is accurate. Interrogators and field intel officers. When will bollywood even begin to hold a candle to stuff like that.

Don't agree with the video being accurate at all. Clearing a building as big as the one portrayed will be an extremely large scale operation. It'll probably involve dozens of JSOC (in America's case) operators and maybe a whole company of Rangers on Standby as QRT. Not to mention an armed drone and possibly a gunship.

No way anyone sends Two guys. Even if it were only one team being shown out of many, there would be at least 4 men (team leader, breacher and two riflemen). These guys don't have specialised breaching equipment and one of them is using a bloody 1-6x magnification LPVO. He has a canted reflex sight, but still. Why would you do that if you're clearing a building? Zero Dark Thirty got ot absolutely right.

The basic rule of an ambush is that you outnumber the enemy, or at least appear to overwhelm them.

Death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Baghdadi raid. Operation Kayla Mueller. Read the "raid" section. There were ISR drones, gunships etc.

In zero dark thirty all the actors who portrayed the navy seals all are trained at King Abdula training center in Jordan by ex navy seals

 

[Killbot]

There were four guys, and that was only because there's one animator. And I stand by the realism. The tactics employed were realistic and adapted to two man clearing. As for the LPVO, no one really aims in CQC. In room intervention it's all point shooting, so having that versatility is pretty fine. He can still use the reflex if he really needs to aim up close, and the LPVO offers greater engagement envelope. Aiming up close ends up costing milliseconds for the other guy to shoot you

Ask yourself this. Why would you put the LPVO on the gun in the first place? You would be better served with an EOTech holo sight and magnifier.

You missed the point. What I meant was, why send 4 guys instead of 40. But there was only one animator as you said. As for the tactics, the room clearing happens too fast. They don't slow down at corners, which is a fatal error if you are not using flashbangs...

 

[Killbot]

Ask yourself this. Why would you put the LPVO on the gun in the first place? You would be better served with an EOTech holo sight and magnifier.

You missed the point. What I meant was, why send 4 guys instead of 40. But there was only one animator as you said. As for the tactics, the room clearing happens too fast. They don't slow down at corners, which is a fatal error if you are not using flashbangs...

Indian Special Forces (archived)

With all due respect to the fallen, Mexican Armed forces including their Army are not even able to win against their drug cartels Bruh 😅 Even their SF operators go and work for the cartels for better prospects, I bet the cartels have men on their payroll on the highest ranks of their armed...

defenceforumindia.com

I think this is relevant here @Nincompoop

 

[NAMICA]

 

[ManhattanProject]

Ask yourself this. Why would you put the LPVO on the gun in the first place? You would be better served with an EOTech holo sight and magnifier.

You missed the point. What I meant was, why send 4 guys instead of 40. But there was only one animator as you said. As for the tactics, the room clearing happens too fast. They don't slow down at corners, which is a fatal error if you are not using flashbangs...

no LPVOs are no slouch in close quaters battle.
Why use sights when you have NODs on in cqb? you can just use the IR lazer, invisible to the naked eye.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Oh yeah I forgot that too, we don't get to see in night vision either so it's very likely they had their illuminators on.

yup

 

[Killbot]

When you're two man clearing speed is your ally, slowing down can very easily end up in you getting isolated and cutoff, since they don't have firepower they need speed instead. Also as you probably know, the three tenets of room intervention are speed, surprise and violence of action. Once you've lost surprise you have to push those other two foundations to remain effective. Plus, the animator said that they had prior recon and floor plans of the site and they knew the exact numbers present which allows them to be more confident and which is also why the second guy knew where to maneuver and flank from when re-inforcments came in (There's a dialogue at the very start regarding the body count) There's also a drone monitoring the exterior for activity (It's the ISR).
I'm not going to say it's perfect, in fact a very plausible con is the fact that in the beginning the second man is way too slow to enter and he doesn't even clear the hard left corner. But over all it's the best media regarding a DA or special operations in general other than zero dark thirty. I really liked Sicario but with day of the Soldado it was very style over substance (The delta's clearing rooms were atrocious), but the style was excellent.

You use flashbangs to make up for the loss of surprise. It allows you to retain speed as well. Optimising speed in blind corners and doors would be suicidal imo.

Also, talking about room clearing in general, I've got to hand it to the Israelis with their FIBUA methods over the Americans. Propagates safety and numbers over speed, surprise and violence of action.
Soldado was a bit unrealistic, yeah. The three tenets you mentioned are

 

[Killbot]

Oh yeah I forgot that too, we don't get to see in night vision either so it's very likely they had their illuminators on.

Or use a NV compatible red dot.

no LPVOs are no slouch in close quaters battle.
Why use sights when you have NODs on in cqb? you can just use the IR lazer, invisible to the naked eye.

Parallax effect, tube effect, eye box, eye relief, added weight, etc. need to be accounted for while using LPVOs, which you don't want to worry about when the bad guy is five feet from you. A reflex sight is so much better with respect to CQB.

All of these limitations can be overcome with adequate training, and an LPVO is much more versatile than a red dot, but reflex sights are purpose built for CQB, so they will be better.

 

[Jay99]

Any Idea on the Badge worn my one of SPG guy?

 

[FalconZero]

They think special operations are a bunch of Rambos gunning down cannon fodder and blowing random things up. In reality special operations are methodical and precise actions driven by brains, skills and gaining as many............................. tactics:

Dude appreciate your post but please format your posts before posting them, thanks.

That is why I absolutely love Zero Dark Thirty, Sicario series etc. They have a touch of realism to them. For example, in Zero Dark Thirty, the CIA doesn't interfere in the actual raid. And the portrayal of SAC-SOG is accurate. Interrogators and field intel officers. When will bollywood even begin to hold a candle to stuff like that.............................................
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Death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Baghdadi raid. Operation Kayla Mueller. Read the "raid" section. There were ISR drones, gunships etc.

Since you mentioned Sicario, i suggest people here to watch this scene :

One of the best ones that I have seen in any movie.

 

[Suryavanshi]

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He doesn't realise not everyone can be like Mithoon.

 

[FalconZero]

I tried putting it in paragraphs but every time I post a comment it just puts it together. I'll try putting bolds or something.

Use double indentation (two to three enters).

 

[abingdonboy]

Any Idea on the Badge worn my one of SPG guy?

Lapel pins, It's a means of immediate ID between officers and between teams, also see the one with the star? That's likely the PSO


See US SS:

New US Secret Service lapel pins will come with a secret security feature

Few people know what those very recognizable lapel pins are hiding.

qz.com

(not sure if SPG's have the RFID tech too but wouldn't be surprised)

 

[SKC]

He doesn't realise not everyone can be like Mithoon.

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Where did this technology got lost?
Looks like India was always ahead of west.
We should form a commission to dig and recover this stuff.

 

[SKC]

Dude appreciate your post but please format your posts before posting them, thanks.



Since you mentioned Sicario, i suggest people here to watch this scene :

One of the best ones that I have seen in any movie.

Just saw it. It really great man! Might end up watching the whole movie now.

 

[Edyk12]

 

[Edyk12]