Indian Special Forces

[Marliii]

Most of the competitors in carbine competition are same I think.so most probably car816 will get selected.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Why we need the these bells and whistles. Our SF are best in the world. Money is needed for more important things like a new HQ building because we need a 'pentagon' more urgently than small arms.

Haha

Here people didnt understand when i said I M ME and I AM THE BEST mentality.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Depends on how do you define 'kids'. A normal school going child does not know about foreign guns and gears. To him playing with his friends, doing homework and little bit of social media is more important than guns and stuff. Neighther does any gun related stuff matters to his parents.

If you are defining 'kids' are defence enthusiasts in the internet forums like these, then they represent a miniscule percentage of India's population.



First of all smart phones and access to internet have become common only for the last 5-7 years. Hence today's generation are much more knowlegable about things about politics, defence, economoy, etc.

However, Major (retd.) Vivek Jacob is not of today's generation. He retired from the army few years back. Neighther he nor many of his buddies in Para SF had access to mobile phones while in the army. Even if they had that, they wouldn't be able to spend time on that since they were busy doing operations most of the time. During non operation time, soldiers rest, play recreational sports, interact with their families, some of them prepare for promotional exams etc. Not search internet about foreign guns and gears.



I have never said that only those who want to serve the country should join the army. There are many other sectors apart from defence like medicine, education, engineering etc. Depending on their personal interest and aptitude, any person can join these sectors and contribute to nation building.

However, I said that a majority of people who join Indian Army do out of their patriotic fervour, because they want to give serve their motherland, even if that may cost his life. However, that doesn't mean those who get rejected are at less patriotic in their heart. They just couldn't perform at the day of the recruitment or exam. Army selects those candidates based on physical and aptitude test. The sylabus of the aptitude test are:

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Neighther of these syllabus covers any portion on foreign guns and gears.



What is there to think about. I am not biased against anyone's opinion. There are many defence forums around the internet where people like you and me come to know about the latest updates regarding defence issues, and give our opinion. However, you cannot deny the fact that we represent a miniscule percentage of total internet users and you should not expect everyone to know about foreign guns and gears.

Mr. Vivek Jacob has admitted frankly in the inteview that he doesn't know about foreign guns and gears. To him, the weapon that was issued to him was more interesting and all he could care about whether it could fire at a long distance or not. Nor had any lack of knowledge about foreign guns and gears hampered any of his operations while in service.
And we should be thanking him for his service in the army, not criticiing him for his lack of knowledge about foreign guns and gears that were not issued to him in his service life. Nor as a civilian after retirement he had access to those.

Ok we are perfect.Be happy.

I am sure when PLA comes next summer we will say...I need a gun...which fires rounds and creates a hole.

Thats it.

War won.

 

[Cruise missile]

Ok we are perfect.Be happy.

I am sure when PLA comes next summer we will say...I need a gun...which fires rounds and creates a hole.

Thats it.

War won.

All guns fire and create a hole what matters is accuracy and reliability. And IA is doing right by procuring sig.

 

[ALBY]

Haha

Here people didnt understand when i said I M ME and I AM THE BEST mentality.

Dont u dare to criticise them, you only have the right to thank them for their service.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Dont u dare to criticise them, you only have the right to thank them for their service.

Thatswhy some of them haven't made their way back home.

Flew the remains of a soldier from Srinagar recently.

Hope the answer..ek goli hoti he woh cheed karti hein satisfies the family of the deceased.

 

[Phantom sierra]

 

[Scramjet]

Thatswhy some of them haven't made their way back home.

Flew the remains of a soldier from Srinagar recently.

Hope the answer..ek goli hoti he woh cheed karti hein satisfies the family of the deceased.

Disgusted by what you actually said
It's a forum for discussing equipment please have some decency

 

[Gessler]

Most of the competitors in carbine competition are same I think.so most probably car816 will get selected.

Hard to say. MII clause means they now have to take economics of the local partner into account, what state their factory is in, labour laws, company management etc will introduce lot of new variables into commercial bidding stage.

Not to mention that now all companies have gotten a taste of where everyone else stands, someone might well decide to undercut. When bidding the first time around they had no idea what everyone else was going to bid.

 

[Unknownwarrior]

Why we need the these bells and whistles. Our SF are best in the world. Money is needed for more important things like a new HQ building because we need a 'pentagon' more urgently than small arms.

Actually we need both... Equipment and a proper HQ.... Better than South Block where those babus and kadi ninda wale ministers sit.... We are currently making a new HQ for the army where CDS would also sit... Whereas equipment is also being brought.... Just because of budgetary constraints equipment deal is struck whereas the work on HQ has started under Cental Vista Projects.. And the good thing about the new HQ os both COAS and CDS would be there along with all the defence elements of South Block... Have patience... Things are going on... Now we just need is to clear the deal of equipment from USA under FMS... Last time when our SF got an equipment upgrade then too equipment was brought through the FMS route... So this time also it is through FMS... Now what is the main point here is that... Are those equipments for the Para or the AFSOD...Now going through the numbers

715 Mk 48 Light Machine Guns (LMGs),

1,050 FN Scar (H) 7.62×51 assault rifles,

1,400 FN Scar (L) or HK-416 assault rifles,

110 .50 Cal Browning heavy machine guns (HMG),

400 helmet-mounted night vision systems

600 combat free-fall parachutes

100 Barret M107 A1 heavy sniping rifles

Now calculating the total no of guns we have the figure standing at 3400 approx... Now the strength of AFSOD is around 3000... Also para is getting an upgrade Sako snipers, they have M4 sopmods along with new tavors... also around 2018 good quality foreign free-fall parachutes were brought for them.... And the no. of new NVGs is too small for them... so I think they would be using those equipments and the new equipment is for SOD.... But we would also see a fact that no mention of SOD was there on papers of deal as per articles.. Lets see what happens... But this would be for sure that new toys are being brought... Now situation would be there that these guns would be distributed among para and sod.. where as other equipment would be AFSOD.... and para would also share some of their guns with SOD like the M4 sopmod which we saw during nagrota encounter... Please tell me what do you think would be the fate of guns.... At last things are changing and though the change is taking some time... but things would change..

 

[Gessler]

Actually we need both... Equipment and a proper HQ.... Better than South Block where those babus and kadi ninda wale ministers sit.... We are currently making a new HQ for the army where CDS would also sit... Whereas equipment is also being brought.... Just because of budgetary constraints equipment deal is struck whereas the work on HQ has started under Cental Vista Projects.. And the good thing about the new HQ os both COAS and CDS would be there along with all the defence elements of South Block... Have patience... Things are going on... Now we just need is to clear the deal of equipment from USA under FMS... Last time when our SF got an equipment upgrade then too equipment was brought through the FMS route... So this time also it is through FMS... Now what is the main point here is that... Are those equipments for the Para or the AFSOD...Now going through the numbers

715 Mk 48 Light Machine Guns (LMGs),

1,050 FN Scar (H) 7.62×51 assault rifles,

1,400 FN Scar (L) or HK-416 assault rifles,

110 .50 Cal Browning heavy machine guns (HMG),

400 helmet-mounted night vision systems

600 combat free-fall parachutes

100 Barret M107 A1 heavy sniping rifles

Now calculating the total no of guns we have the figure standing at 3400 approx... Now the strength of AFSOD is around 3000... Also para is getting an upgrade Sako snipers, they have M4 sopmods along with new tavors... also around 2018 good quality foreign free-fall parachutes were brought for them.... And the no. of new NVGs is too small for them... so I think they would be using those equipments and the new equipment is for SOD.... But we would also see a fact that no mention of SOD was there on papers of deal as per articles.. Lets see what happens... But this would be for sure that new toys are being brought... Now situation would be there that these guns would be distributed among para and sod.. where as other equipment would be AFSOD.... and para would also share some of their guns with SOD like the M4 sopmod which we saw during nagrota encounter... Please tell me what do you think would be the fate of guns.... At last things are changing and though the change is taking some time... but things would change..

He's being sarcastic dude.

 

[Unknownwarrior]

He's being sarcastic dude.

I just wanted to convey the info I have... Just quoted his msg because he was talking bout that..

 

[Marliii]

Actually we need both... Equipment and a proper HQ.... Better than South Block where those babus and kadi ninda wale ministers sit.... We are currently making a new HQ for the army where CDS would also sit... Whereas equipment is also being brought.... Just because of budgetary constraints equipment deal is struck whereas the work on HQ has started under Cental Vista Projects.. And the good thing about the new HQ os both COAS and CDS would be there along with all the defence elements of South Block... Have patience... Things are going on... Now we just need is to clear the deal of equipment from USA under FMS... Last time when our SF got an equipment upgrade then too equipment was brought through the FMS route... So this time also it is through FMS... Now what is the main point here is that... Are those equipments for the Para or the AFSOD...Now going through the numbers

715 Mk 48 Light Machine Guns (LMGs),

1,050 FN Scar (H) 7.62×51 assault rifles,

1,400 FN Scar (L) or HK-416 assault rifles,

110 .50 Cal Browning heavy machine guns (HMG),

400 helmet-mounted night vision systems

600 combat free-fall parachutes

100 Barret M107 A1 heavy sniping rifles

Now calculating the total no of guns we have the figure standing at 3400 approx... Now the strength of AFSOD is around 3000... Also para is getting an upgrade Sako snipers, they have M4 sopmods along with new tavors... also around 2018 good quality foreign free-fall parachutes were brought for them.... And the no. of new NVGs is too small for them... so I think they would be using those equipments and the new equipment is for SOD.... But we would also see a fact that no mention of SOD was there on papers of deal as per articles.. Lets see what happens... But this would be for sure that new toys are being brought... Now situation would be there that these guns would be distributed among para and sod.. where as other equipment would be AFSOD.... and para would also share some of their guns with SOD like the M4 sopmod which we saw during nagrota encounter... Please tell me what do you think would be the fate of guns.... At last things are changing and though the change is taking some time... but things would change..

Fn herstal has refused to sell weapons to sff so this deal is not gonna materialise

 

[Unknownwarrior]

Thatswhy some of them haven't made their way back home.

Flew the remains of a soldier from Srinagar recently.

Hope the answer..ek goli hoti he woh cheed karti hein satisfies the family of the deceased.

War cant be fought without casualties brother.... In 2018 there were 13 casualties of USSOCOM operators along with 3 troops assisting them... All of the other units have casualties... You are fighting a fucking war brother.. Never ever say that they have died because of lack of equipment or skills or mindset... please check about para SFs casualties... they might have less equipment but then also they have less causalities... Ssg has all the fukin comtacs vests and all other stuff along with a strong air support... then also they are killed like Rats in FATA Waziristan area by TTP BLA BRA etc etc....

 

[ALBY]

Did any one knew the selection process to officer cadre in SFF? Is it as tough as the probation to Para airborne or less stringent one? @abingdonboy @rkhanna @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR. Also capability wise which is better Vikas units or Para Airborne?

 

[Unknownwarrior]

Fn herstal has refused to sell weapons to sff so this deal is not gonna materialise

Actually they buying that equipment through the FMS route and FN hestral would have nothing to do with it as it would be a G2G deal mainly between USA and India.... Nsg Spg Sg brought their scars in similar way

 

[ALBY]

Actually they buying that equipment through the FMS route and FN hestral would have nothing to do with it as it would be a G2G deal mainly between USA and India.... Nsg Spg Sg brought their scars in similar way

Fn is not state owned one. If Fn refuses USA cant force. Fn have more business interests with Pakistan than India. Its logical for them to deny selling weapons.Just like russia denied selling weaponsto Pakistan citing better relations with India. Btw there are better options than FN in ewch of the above categories like Hk416,Hk433,Arad, Carmel, Sig Mcx,Bren2 etc in Ar category in MGs Negev is a better alternative.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

I don't know why SFs are insisting on going for SCAR H and SCAR L through FMS route. Based on the interviews of some former US SFs who has used SCAR in combat, that gun has a experiences a high vibration on the upper receiver group, which many times damages the optics placed on the top picatiiny rail. It requires specially certfied optics as any commercial off the shelf optics can get damaged.

Though this is a FMS route, still both SCAR variants will have a huge cost compared to HK-416 and 417. Hence better option is to go for HK guns.

Also, Mk 48 belt fed Light Machine Guns (LMGs) does not have any significant advantage over the Negev LMG that we are already importing in 16,000 quantity for regular army. Both are belt fed with Negev being lighter. This seems another aping the USSOCOM type purchase. The army order could easily have been increased to 16715 to cater for SF needs.

Also, 110 .50 Cal Browning heavy machine guns (HMG) is another purchase without any logic. We already are making Brownings HMG (38 kg), NSV(25 kg) in OFT.

Also, 400 helmet-mounted night vision systems can be sourced from Tombo, Imaging who makes both dual tube as well as quad tube NVG, whatever be the requirement.

Also, 100 Barret M107 A1 heavy sniping rifles (13.5 kg) is an inferior choice to the recently inducted M95 rifle (10.7) recently inducted by the Northern command who are extremely satisfied with its performance. This order could have been easily been clubbed together with the M-95 order.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Fn is not state owned one. If Fn refuses USA cant force. Fn have more business interests with Pakistan than India. Its logical for them to deny selling weapons.Just like russia denied selling weaponsto Pakistan citing better relations with India. Btw there are better options than FN in ewch of the above categories like Hk416,Hk433,Arad, Carmel, Sig Mcx,Bren2 etc in Ar category in MGs Negev is a better alternative.

FN America is a separate entity to FN Herstal. FN America is making fully USA made firearms, which are not subjected to Belgian Laws.

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Though I think FN SCAR has better alternatives

 

[ALBY]

FN America is a separate entity to FN Herstal. FN America is making fully USA made firearms, which are not subjected to Belgian Laws.

Home | FN®

The World’s Most Battle-Proven Firearms.® A global leader in the development & manufacturing of high quality firearms for military, law enforcement and commercial customers.

fnamerica.com

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Though I think FN SCAR has better alternatives

Its like Kalashnikov USA and Rosobon exports. All comes under same umbrella.. Its just another US chapter of the Belgian firm. Any way point being there is no need to make a fuss about they denying us their products especially when there are lot of options available.