Indian Special Forces

[Unknownwarrior]

I don't know why SFs are insisting on going for SCAR H and SCAR L through FMS route. Based on the interviews of some former US SFs who has used SCAR in combat, that gun has a experiences a high vibration on the upper receiver group, which many times damages the optics placed on the top picatiiny rail. It requires specially certfied optics as any commercial off the shelf optics can get damaged.

Though this is a FMS route, still both SCAR variants will have a huge cost compared to HK-416 and 417. Hence better option is to go for HK guns.

Also, Mk 48 belt fed Light Machine Guns (LMGs) does not have any significant advantage over the Negev LMG that we are already importing in 16,000 quantity for regular army. Both are belt fed with Negev being lighter. This seems another aping the USSOCOM type purchase. The army order could easily have been increased to 16715 to cater for SF needs.

Also, 110 .50 Cal Browning heavy machine guns (HMG) is another purchase without any logic. We already are making Brownings HMG (38 kg), NSV(25 kg) in OFT.

Also, 400 helmet-mounted night vision systems can be sourced from Tombo, Imaging who makes both dual tube as well as quad tube NVG, whatever be the requirement.

Also, 100 Barret M107 A1 heavy sniping rifles (13.5 kg) is an inferior choice to the recently inducted M95 rifle (10.7) recently inducted by the Northern command who are extremely satisfied with its performance. This order could have been easily been clubbed together with the M-95 order.

Sir the whole deal is done after doing evaluations with USSOCOM... also the army recently ordered negevs for them so I don't think they would be having any problem in getting hands on those guns... Meanwhile talking about tonbo... what I think is that their quad tube nvg is not battle tested... So, what I think SF would go for buying dual tube from them whereas quad tube from USA....

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

what I think is that their quad tube nvg is not battle tested..

Tombo is showcasing Quad tube NVG for quite a while. If Army is interested easily all weather tests can be easily done, and can even be tested in J&K and NE in combat situations. No problem. With the FMS deal going round and round among Army HQ and MOD, the Tombo option will be faster.

Also, aping the USSOCOM might not be appropriate, we need to test the guns and gears we are importing from US, under our conditions. They should be subjected to same testing standards like Insas, Arjun ATAGS, WHAP etc.

 

[ezsasa]

Fn is not state owned one. If Fn refuses USA cant force. Fn have more business interests with Pakistan than India. Its logical for them to deny selling weapons.Just like russia denied selling weaponsto Pakistan citing better relations with India. Btw there are better options than FN in ewch of the above categories like Hk416,Hk433,Arad, Carmel, Sig Mcx,Bren2 etc in Ar category in MGs Negev is a better alternative.

Just one correction, FN Herstal is state owned, owned by Wallonia region, Wallonia is a French speaking region of Belgium, hence the decision to not to sell to SFF.

 

[Unknownwarrior]

Fn is not state owned one. If Fn refuses USA cant force. Fn have more business interests with Pakistan than India. Its logical for them to deny selling weapons.Just like russia denied selling weaponsto Pakistan citing better relations with India. Btw there are better options than FN in ewch of the above categories like Hk416,Hk433,Arad, Carmel, Sig Mcx,Bren2 etc in Ar category in MGs Negev is a better alternative.

The U.S. Department of Defense's Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program facilitates sales of U.S. arms, defense equipment, defense services, and military training to foreign governments. The purchaser does not deal directly with the defense contractor; instead, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency serves as an intermediary, usually handling procurement, logistics and delivery and often providing product support, training, and infrastructure construction (such as hangars, runways, utilities, etc.). In short US becomes middle man... And no one can refuse them... Coming on pak factor... India is much larger arms importer than them and this factor has no influence on FMS route.... Now coming on other guns... So these guns are being brought after evaluations done in joint exercises with USSOCOM.... And sf knows what it needs... meanwhile Negevs are present with SF from long time.. and taking some from army won't make army gareeb in terms of LMG....

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

CRPF QAT

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Just saw a Matt black truck with no body in NSG convoi..any idea what its for?

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

 

[12arya]

 

[Unknownwarrior]

Tombo is showcasing Quad tube NVG for quite a while. If Army is interested easily all weather tests can be easily done, and can even be tested in J&K and NE in combat situations. No problem. With the FMS deal going round and round among Army HQ and MOD, the Tombo option will be faster.

Also, aping the USSOCOM might not be appropriate, we need to test the guns and gears we are importing from US, under our conditions. They should be subjected to same testing standards like Insas, Arjun ATAGS, WHAP etc.

You about the perks of buying goodies.... Firstly babus would have kharchi... secondly deepning defence cooperation among USA... you would have to see these factors which government is looking... also SOCOM hasn't asked them to buy.... SF did evaluations on their own during exercises... Also the list said ANY OF scar or hk416 can be brought.... Also, some osint pages reported AFSOD is using Tonbo quad tube.. which I cant trust... but it can be true
Army Para Special Forces Requirements

Equipment	Quantity
Mk 48 light machine guns	715
FN Scar (H) assault rifles	1,050
Scar (L) / HK-416 assault rifles	1,400
FN .50 Cal Browning heavy machine guns	110
Helmet mounted night vision goggles	400
Combat free fall parachutes	600
Barret M107 A1 heavy sniping rifles	100
Ammunition rounds	20 (M)

List is taken from Sandeeps Unnithan's article...

 

[ALBY]

CRPF QAT

Whats the thing on right shoulder?
Do these thermal sights have normal optic mode or inly have thermal mode as shown in games and movies?

 

[Unknownwarrior]

A

CRPF QAT

Now some people like me can die peacefully...... Are the using it..... Mera desh badal rha hai plays in background....

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Only missing piece of the puzzle is COMTACS. If COMTACS is inducted CRPF QAT will be in-distinguishable from NATO SFs.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

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Now some people like me can die peacefully...... Are the using it..... Mera desh badal rha hai plays in background....

Mota Bhai (Amit Shah) jindabaad....

 

[Mikel]

If only we can merge the equipment of CRPF QATs with the training and tactics of Para SF.

 

[Mikel]

Whats the thing on right shoulder?
Do these thermal sights have normal optic mode or inly have thermal mode as shown in games and movies?

Gunshot locator I think

 

[Sourajit Dutta]

Whats the thing on right shoulder?

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

NSG at Rajpath during Rehearsals for Republic Day Parade

 

[Gessler]

Whats the thing on right shoulder?
Do these thermal sights have normal optic mode or inly have thermal mode as shown in games and movies?

Only thermal. The FPA (focal plane array) cannot see visible light.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

In an encounter in Kashmir valley, who will be pushed in for the kill RR or CRPF QAT?

 

[Killbot]

In an encounter in Kashmir valley, who will be pushed in for the kill RR or CRPF QAT?

Whoever is closer