Indian Special Forces

[Unknownwarrior]

Have you got your hands to proper boots word by foreign armies and this one you posted very proudly is a cheap Converse copy type shoe.

Will you wear Converse shoes to battlefield in 2021?

Actually that's a copy of real boots Indian army is using for a while in fewer numbers... Also I never said that these boots are the one which are best in the class... I just posted the image.of what they wear... And that's too a copy... Not real....
This is the boot

I am not a boot manufacturer.... I just posted what they really use...

Anoter pic

 

[abingdonboy]

I'd say it depends on situation. Providing Personal Security Details (PSDs) is a job performed almost routinely by even Tier-1 operators in US like Delta.

Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf (their COAS during Gulf Wars):

Delta (as well as other units from JSOC) still does PSD for important personages (including Chiefs of Staff) around the world depending on threat perception.

Thing is, its very difficult to source top-grade operators who're in their prime from anywhere except SF. Either they need to be deputed from SF into a specialist cell with PSD role, or just assigned from within their current Btn to this role. Latter is simpler, but either way its a drain on same resource pool so doesn't matter.

That, or you need to create & maintain a new sub-organization within MP like SPG dedicated for raising & training a cadre specifically for this role. Regular MPs who's job profile includes arresting drunken solider from canteen just aren't fit for this task.

But creating a new resource pool is a very expensive proposition and I very much doubt MoD would sign off on such budgets - Plus, to them creating SPG-type org for military would seem like making Generals on par with elected representatives of top office.

Democratically elected leaders, whether Indian or American, are always queasy with such a proposition.

No I wouldn't say it's routine, these are exceptional circumstances- a senior level officer visiting forward bases, nothing like the permanent SF PSD that IA's COAS has 24/7 wherever he goes in India. If he had a SF team with him when he went to JK or the LAC I could understand but when he's sat in Delhi? It's freaking absurd and a total waste of resources and the talents of these operators. They are combatants and are meant to be aggressors, putting them in this role is unjustifiable no matter what you you look at it.


I don't think there needs to be a SPG type force raised either, just create a specific cell inside the Military police trained for these roles. As it stands all 3 service chief (even CDS) have PSOs (the guys that have earpieces and are in safari suits right next to the service chief) that are drawn from MP

This is all they need to carve out:

^Royal Military Police, Close Protection Unit

Sub 100 guys with relevant training and equipment- job done.


Thankfully we haven't seen the IN and IAF utilise their SFs in the same way and neither CNS nor CAS has a full time MARCOS/Garud PSD- that would be the height of insanity.

Media doesn't work

I don't understand the fascination with SFF, they are just another light infantry unit that just so happen to be under R&AW's chain of command (but the IA's operational command when in the field most of the time), they aren't a SF unit by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Just for fun
Sorry couldn't resist myself from sharing this.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Actually that's a copy of real boots Indian army is using for a while in fewer numbers... Also I never said that these boots are the one which are best in the class... I just posted the image.of what they wear... And that's too a copy... Not real....
This is the bootView attachment 73436
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I am not a boot manufacturer.... I just posted what they really use...

Anoter picView attachment 73441

They arent even water proof forget everything else.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Just for fun
Sorry couldn't resist myself from sharing this.

Haha

Story of Para SF modernisation in one line.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

Haha

Story of Para SF modernisation in one line.

Watch whole video brother later on he said we need suppressed ak and good optic

 

[Unknownwarrior]

They arent even water proof forget everything else.

What I think they would go for new boots after uniform upgrades... This is just a small hope.... Very very small...

 

[Unknownwarrior]

Watch whole video brother later on he said we need suppressed ak and good optic

Do para use supress ak .....

 

[Killbot]

Do para use supress ak .....

Lol n9

 

[abingdonboy]

Lol n9

they should be able to get what they need, if this is what he actually wants there should be no issues making it happen.

This is why I was particularly surprised by the UAV story in the previous page(s)- IA SF guys found a small private Indian company and were trained up in limited numbers by them as well as procuring the relevant equipment (UAVs and control stuff) from them- this is some legit Western SF type of approach for getting your stuff whereas all other Indian SF procurements seem wedded to the whole HQ SQR tender/L1/DAC/CCS cycle.

Garuds, MARCOs and PARA (SF) should all have the ability to procure their own equipment at a unit level without having to go through the relevant service HQ, this is why AFSOD/INSOCOM will be so important in breaking the chains of the "big" military and their cluelessness. Interestingly it's been confirmed that the IN has created a dedicated naval special warfare command around 2006 who procure on behalf of MARCOs and also standardised training.

 

[Phantom sierra]

IMO you can't expect a junior officer or jawan from para sf serving in an active combat zone to be up to date with latest weapon systems and equipments because of the nature of their job. Equipment procurement is something that is best left to the older and experienced sf operatives.Why doesn't the MOD set up some committee staffed only by experienced sf soldiers from all 3 forces specifically for special ops procurement.

Just for fun
Sorry couldn't resist myself from sharing this.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

How exactly do we know about guns and weapons from abroad, without even being there.
The answer is simple: Internet.

Now imagine an army personnel, who by the nature of his secretive job isn't allowed to use the internet as freely as us. In fact in even during Kargil War, soldiers were only allowed only 1 letter from home per week.

Hence knowing about foreign guns/weapons/kits is the job of officers posted in Army HOD and procurement departments, not the job of orinary army soldiers or officers who focuuses on focussing on the things that are issued to him.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

Do para use supress ak .....

He just want that ,para SF have no suppressed ak

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

He just want that ,para SF have no suppressed ak

if they use suppressed tavors and m4, why not AKs?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Watch whole video brother later on he said we need suppressed ak and good optic

I personally respect him a lot and admire his personality.

BUT

That level of exposure and knowledge is the reason of the pathetic state of affairs with regards to modernisation.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[abingdonboy]

IMO you can't expect a junior officer or jawan from para sf serving in an active combat zone to be up to date with latest weapon systems and equipments because of the nature of their job. Equipment procurement is something that is best left to the older and experienced sf operatives.Why doesn't the MOD set up some committee staffed only by experienced sf soldiers from all 3 forces specifically for special ops procurement.

Who’s saying that? It would be ridiculous to leave it to some junior officer on the ground.

US SOCOM has an entire unit (force modernisation) to look at emerging equipment and procure for the entire command that is headed by a SF/SOF colonel of equivalent rank. The wing has experienced NCOs who have served in SF/SOF units and have been to combat.

the point is this needs to taken outside the HQs and their committees/procurement teams made up of conventional officers

AFSOD being lead by a SF officer already is a big plus

 

[abingdonboy]

The first publicly available image of the NSG’s assault K9 Rocket that took part in Parhankot ops and was injured in the process

Afaik he’s been retired now but I’m sure he’s still a living legend for the unit

+ in other news MHA has set up a specific police K9 cell within the police modernisation wing headed by an ex-NSG colonel. The idea is to bring standardised capabilities across India for police K-9 units for tackling terror, explosive sniffing, assault, crowd control, tracking etc etc

 

[MuzzleVelocity]

The first publicly available image of the NSG’s assault K9 Rocket that took part in Parhankot ops and was injured in the process

Afaik he’s been retired now but I’m sure he’s still a living legend for the unit

+ in other news MHA has set up a specific police K9 cell within the police modernisation wing headed by an ex-NSG colonel. The idea is to bring standardised capabilities across India for police K-9 units for tackling terror, explosive sniffing, assault, crowd control, tracking etc etc

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That's a real good boy.

 

[12arya]

I personally respect him a lot and admire his personality.

Regarding Major Jacob's videos this might come off as off-topic but I'm seriously worried abt his smoking

We lost Col Sangram Singh, thanks to non-stop drinking(insider view). yup, it seems he was a heavy heavy, drinker! Apparently, in SF there is no limit to the amount of alcohol and smoking as SF operators are supposed to be a balanced individual who knows when to say no or stop! But the notion is clearly wrong and they need to set a limit as Sangram Singh's death is an example! Major saab seems to be a chain smoker and he is smoking even in most of the videos which is worrying! There is no need to drink or smoke just bcoz one's in the military. Unhealthy habits r unhealthy, no matter how badass u r!

No offence to smokers here. It's just that there is hereditary asthma in my family; my mom had it in her childhood; my father has it; I inherited a little of it and my brother is a full-on asthmatic who is dependant on inhaler, and I know how horrible & frightening it's not to be able to breathe properly.

I just cannot understand the smoker's rationale; y do ppl think blowing smoke into one's lungs is fun
So whenever I see ppl smoking, it worries me.