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What I just saw was a comparision of India SF , who were neglected for 70+ years and Elite USSOCOM who is called the back bone of US special ops... US, a country with a long list of wars.... Now let me post answers to your points from start :-

1. You didnt get my point about insertion technology.... In simple words I just wanted to say.... EVERYONE CANT BE USA.... Russian SOF German KSK etc etc all of these guys perform spec ops and their structure is similar to that of USSOCOM.... For eg;- KSK uses mainly CH-53 Sea Stallion Eurocopter EC145.... one of which is indeginious platform and other is a helo retired by USA IN 2012... Similarly Russians dont have any blackhawks.... they also use mi17s the same helo which we would prefer during spec ops.... now comparing these with assets we have.... You would see our helos are at par with their... tiltrotor craft is still not much accepted.... We currently have MI17, Dhruv and Luh.... which are at level of what others currently use... I think that v22 deal struck would be signed after the creation of AFSOD... Blackhawks would not work better than mi17 at the terrain we face.... So what I think we have a decent tech of insertion and exerstion if we dont compare ourselves with SOAR AND SOCOM... we currently use what Russian have and what Europeans have... And second thing is indigenization... we should work on platforms made in India as per our tailoring....

2. Actually I agree with you in the second point as there is a gap between what RAW has and what military has.... I think for that only afsod created... It would take some time but in future we would have a potent force with military which would have dedicated aircrafts, survillance equipment and all... this was reported in various reports that they would have dedicated air asset and I think the military would use them when problem arises... Para or Marcos or guards are just like navy seals... green berets who don't have dedicated air assets... Its SOCOM which has dedicated air assets... So the military should work on AFSOD and further try to merge all three forces in it and have a tier system which would help in future...

3. Actually SOCOM has never carried out an OVERT operation against any armed military force until and unless there was a war.... Similar is case of para sf... we dont have much operations against militaries like Pak and China because we dont have much wars with them... neither they were much involved in war in our region with other countries... But then also we have done some great ops in peacetimes... for example point 5240 captured by Indian army in October 1999... 3 months after kargil was over.... also from 2003 - 2013 pakistan lodged 3 complaints regarding behanding of their soldiers by our army.... Apart from it you all know about 2001 op apache.... And in meantime para has suffered 0 causalities during their cross borders raids... The cross border raid carried out by para in 2017 in rawalkot area was a success with 0 casualities reported ..
Operations against a military can increase escalations.... but then also we did these ops... this shows our capabilties in carrying out operations against the pakis.... Chinkis already have taste of SFF and para gurkha.. and recent ops at south Pangong tso bank were not done by Socom....

4. What kind of intel would reduce casualties of para in CT ops in kashmir... Raw wouldnt go inside the house where encounter is going on neither would para go to do a recee... Now thats where para reports casulaities... Check about ssg casualities during operation Zarb e Azb.... They had a very higher rate of casualities even aftert having gucci gear given to them by CIA and using air support... f16s and gunships.... And meanwhile have you ever read about a para soldier dying in covert ops cross border raids etc... I even have pice of SSG elemts killed along with BAT elements.... by our regulars... thats not only shows us that we are more skilled but out int gathering capabilities are better than them... If not then we too would have casualities in our covert ops....
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A small piece of int gathered by para...
Now something which raw gathered....
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dossier pics given to p5 nations and media after strike.... now compare it to what it looked like when pakis made a visit afte 45 days of revamp
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5. Now coming to what you said about balakot.... first of all i intended to talk about int gathering level during balakot... about which you seem to have 0 knowledge... atleast you should have seen the reports of media... not that so then also you had version of IAF.... Porkis still belive su30mki was shot by PAF.... You cant even take a fuking stance.... Now the thing about building collapse...First of all the spice 2000 is a guidance kit for bombs with 1000kg of weight.... it can be used on various bomb platforms... the ones used by our airforce was with less explosives and more splinters... Also these type of bomb have been used alot where the infrasture outside stays intact but the one inside is damaged alot... I am posting the pics of israeli strike on T4 BASE SYRIA....
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This was the case....
Also IAF produced the sat imagery which was taken using Synthetic Aperture Radar in front of journalists...
Recently a paki diplomat confrimed india killed 300 terrorists in balakot.... Also rember Imraand saying balakot se bhi khatarnak sazish krna chahta hai india.... And what took them 45 days to organise visit.... Revamping the madarsa which was in front to older structure as shown in Dossier represented by india... also they didnt allow journalist to go to the so called mujahid hostel....

Never underestimate your forces.... And on 27 feb... their attack was preplaned thats why they had a larger and prepared package.... We were on high alerts but this dosent mean all of our force would be in air.... And lessons were taken from that fight too... SDRs for planes... better bvr missiles live astra were fastracked... Other missiles were too ordered... Also they didnt tell who was doosra banda who died at CMH.... LOL...

What we currently need to do is to focus on AFSOD... give it survillance drones proper helos and fucking freedom.... We currently have goods... we need to just give them in right hands... For example we have heron drones.... Which is the only drone used by germany and ksk would have only these drones for surveillance.... But we don't properly allocate and use them... we should also upgrade those and provide them to AFSOD...
Regarding Balakot, 300 is an exaggerated figure. I dont think there were 300 people in that shithole. And we've seen sat images of damages to one or two structures only so far.. Maybe housing max 40-50 people.

Sorry for OT mods, this has been debated to death over the last almost two years..
 

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Regarding Balakot, 300 is an exaggerated figure. I dont think there were 300 people in that shithole. And we've seen sat images of damages to one or two structures only so far.. Maybe housing max 40-50 people.

Sorry for OT mods, this has been debated to death over the last almost two years..
What I think that there might be around 100 terrorist combined in that shit hole madarsa and the mujahid hostel.... Also the case of surveillance of 200 mobiles phones would be because the balakot facility is very large.... It is around more than a KM inside the forest from the main road.... And there are various buildings with many civilians also living there for studies in madarsa.... Also jihadis are known toh posses more than 1 phone at a time which they case use for work and other for communicating with family friends and all.... This might be the case.... What I see is that we went there... Bombed that shithole and came back... Not like them... Who used much larger package... Which was more equipped... Came near LoC and went back by dropping payload.... And also confirming that on National T.V.... Lol 😂😂😂😂 PAF is awake....

Please can you tell me what is OT platform....
 

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whats the excuse for shitty shoes even in the future program picture?

is it budget or brains.

You gotta be kidding me!

WW2 shoes are issued...Kuch toh badlo kuch toh.
Aree those are not for combat.... For thar there would be Jungle combat shoes used.... It's just a part of uniform.... Meanwhile army is going for these boots
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Are these plate carriers the one used by Western SFs....
No. In the first pic, it is just a 1990's tactical vest under standard issue FLC vest, same as rest of infantry. Second one is slightly newer, but the cut is not modern and the MOLLE webbing is not there. It isn't nearly as modular as a proper plate carrier.
 

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I'd have liked a folding stock/brace on the MPX..
Why?

Once stock is retracted, the MPX profile becomes pretty damn small.



NSG has no need for concealed carry of PDWs anyway, most of PSDs have been handed off to CRPF VSG, as it should. Not that SRG was ever big on concealed carry, they always used to have MP5s out and about.

Any which way, if needed, SIG offers OEM folding stocks :

 

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Why?

Once stock is retracted, the MPX profile becomes pretty damn small.



NSG has no need for concealed carry of PDWs anyway, most of PSDs have been handed off to CRPF VSG, as it should. Not that SRG was ever big on concealed carry, they always used to have MP5s out and about.

Any which way, if needed, SIG offers OEM folding stocks :

Easier to deploy. And I just like the way it looks, honestly.
 

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NSG also tried out the vector.but I don't think they bought them in large numbers.most probably 1 or 2 .
 

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Aree those are not for combat.... For thar there would be Jungle combat shoes used.... It's just a part of uniform.... Meanwhile army is going for these bootsView attachment 73375
Have you got your hands to proper boots worn by foreign armies and this one you posted very proudly is a cheap Converse copy type shoe.

Will you wear Converse shoes to battlefield in 2021?
 

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Have you got your hands to proper boots worn by foreign armies and this one you posted very proudly is a cheap Converse copy type shoe.

Will you wear Converse shoes to battlefield in 2021?
There are many types of boots used depending on terrain such as jungle boot, para boot, tank boot, desert boot and cold weather boot.

Do our forces provide such to our soldiers? Or it is the same standard every where.
 

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