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For a force that suffers from about as much night-blindness as we do (haven't seen SSG ever with anything other than monoculars either, and that too very rarely) I'm not sure if the jump from PEQ-2 to PEQ-15 amounts to much on the ground.

Sure it offers several advantages and is more compact & lighter, but SSG, like Paras, hasn't really got any AR-15 SBRs* in a large way and chiefly relies on full-length M4A1s and AKs, so the necessity for a small(er) LAM isn't really felt wrt ergonomics to begin with. PEQ-2 was always designed to work with M4A1, it was part of original SOPMOD kit. Once you move to rifles with 10" or smaller barrels, that's when you really need a smaller LAM.

* SSG(N) got a few SIG516PDWs in small numbers but rest of problems remain.
 

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For a force that suffers from about as much night-blindness as we do (haven't seen SSG ever with anything other than monoculars either, and that too very rarely) I'm not sure if the jump from PEQ-2 to PEQ-15 amounts to much on the ground.

Sure it offers several advantages and is more compact & lighter, but SSG, like Paras, hasn't really got any AR-15 SBRs* in a large way and chiefly relies on full-length M4A1s and AKs, so the necessity for a small(er) LAM isn't really felt wrt ergonomics to begin with. PEQ-2 was always designed to work with M4A1, it was part of original SOPMOD kit. Once you move to rifles with 10" or smaller barrels, that's when you really need a smaller LAM.

* SSG(N) got a few SIG516PDWs in small numbers but rest of problems remain.
I wonder when we'll get our SBRs. And an upgrade package for our M4s.
 

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And an upgrade package for our M4s.
Could probably get away with just replacing the upper with this:




Most of the wear & tear on Paras' old M4s would be in the Barrel & BCG. Getting a new upper from DD (includes barrel & BCG, all M4 Mil-spec grade) should refresh the existing M4s, enhance their utility for possible future upgrades, and extend their life. The mil-spec Colt stock is just fine, length-adjustability is already there. We already got basic foregrips from KAC, as of optics EOTechs and Aimpoint Comps are good enough for assaulters.

Note that I'm not saying this is what we ought to be having, I'd ofcourse prefer a full refresh of the platform with best of the best kit to include stubby grips, XPS holos, Magpul stocks etc. but I'm saying what could be the bare minimum upgrade we could do on our existing M4s with minimal cost.
 

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Could probably get away with just replacing the upper with this:




Most of the wear & tear on Paras' old M4s would be in the Barrel & BCG. Getting a new upper from DD (includes barrel & BCG, all M4 Mil-spec grade) should refresh the existing M4s, enhance their utility for possible future upgrades, and extend their life. The mil-spec Colt stock is just fine, length-adjustability is already there. We already got basic foregrips from KAC, as of optics EOTechs and Aimpoint Comps are good enough for assaulters.

Note that I'm not saying this is what we ought to be having, I'd ofcourse prefer a full refresh of the platform with best of the best kit to include stubby grips, XPS holos, Magpul stocks etc. but I'm saying what could be the bare minimum upgrade we could do on our existing M4s with minimal cost.
Nah, I'd prefer the Giessle URG-I upper. Or just an M-LOK handguard to the existing upper. Of course, a SOCOM profile barrel would also be welcome. Gence the URGI. I'm more interested in the trigger group, optics choices (preferably a 1-6x/1-8x LPVO), maybe a better stock and handguard (grip angle on the A2 sucks imo.).. But mostly the heavy SOCOM profile barrel and trigger. And ofc BCG.
 

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Does anyone know what exactly happened, cause the other three men came out safely, but he couldn't?
Army’s captain of desert warfare specialised unit feared drowned: Police

Jodhpur, Jan 7 (PTI) A captain of Army’s 10 Para (Special Forces) was feared drowned in a lake here on Thursday during a training exercise to rescue people trapped in water bodies, said police.

Captain Ankit Gupta of 10 Para (SF), the Army’s specialised unit for desert warfare, jumped into the Kalyana lake from a helicopter as part of the training exercise, but could not come up with other trainees, Rajiv Gandhi Nagar police station’s SHO Jai Kishan Soni said.

The SHO said the Para 10 (SF) had been conducting the training exercise at the Kalyana Lake on outskirts of Jodhpur on Thursday afternoon.

As the captain did not show up after jumping into the lake, a rescue operation involving policemen, SDRF personnel and divers was launched promptly but his body could not be located till late in the evening, said the SHO.

As a part of the exercise, some jawans had jumped into the lake from a helicopter to hone their skills in saving a drowning person. They were supposed to hold the drowning person and rescue him safely back to the helicopter, he said.

The para 10 SF personnel initially tried to locate Capt Gupta on their own, but when they failed to do it, they informed their seniors, who rushed to lake and a search operation involving experts was launched, said the SHO.

On getting the information, the police also rushed to the spot and roped in SDRF, the civil defence team and some private divers to search the drowned officer.

According to some sources, Captain Gupta had come out and had been holding the hands of the rescuers during exercise but slipped and fell back into the water.

 

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What's tacticool here?

I don't see anything on them that Indian SFs don't have. Which should be more of a travesty for them than us purely because the entire national budget of Pak is open for the PA to take as much from as they want, and the fact that PA holds lot of power to make executive decisions happen whenever they want.

Plus, the fact that the emphasis placed on sub-conventional operations by porkis is several magnitudes higher than India ever did or ever hopes to do.

Plus, the existence of ISI-created black market supply lines for all kinds of gear that would otherwise be denied to pak, and the openness of military to issue such gear.

Despite all these factors in their favour, if SSG is unable to gear up along the lines of Ukrainian/Russian SSO at least, that can only be surmised as sheer incompetence on the part of SF command in securing procurement.

Guess we have something in common after all.
I agree with you lol.

I am just saying that most of the SSG pictures on the internet are mostly from photo ops and what they did think is "tacticool".

They are garbage.
 

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May b they shud publish a list of people (with their full address, list of family members, mail id, bank accounts, phone numbr and aadhar card) and all the equipment that was used in Surgery.
Also,they shud call up the paki high commissioner nd hand over this detailed list as well as mike tango, to him just to make things easier!!!

why r we like this :facepalm:
 

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Well Not surprising, it's been before from, same goes for carriers which are made at unit's own tailor, but in this very photo only plates are in question.
 

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