Indian Special Forces

[Marliii]

Something I have been wondering recently what is the mandate of garuds?a lot of things have been told about them.rescue of downed pilots so it can be said as combat search and rescue in some sense in the US para rescue jumpers does CSR and unit 669 in israel.then they have the task of lasing targets for laser guided bombs one that is done in US by special reconnaisance (SR).garuds are also used for protection of critical IAF infrastructure.they seems to be over extending themselves it seems to me.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Something I have been wondering recently what is the mandate of garuds?a lot of things have been told about them.rescue of downed pilots so it can be said as combat search and rescue in some sense in the US para rescue jumpers does CSR and unit 669 in israel.then they have the task of lasing targets for laser guided bombs one that is done in US by special reconnaisance (SR).garuds are also used for protection of critical IAF infrastructure.they seems to be over extending themselves it seems to me.

Lol, Garuds are sitting ducks, were they sent to Pakistan occupied Kashmir to bring back Wing Commander Abhinandan?

 

[abingdonboy]

We actually have a lot of operators with the seal trident,
It's given to anyone who clears the BUD/S
The Marcos may have an upper hand because they already finished their probation and Training

Not true, they get the Trident only after completing SQT, in earlier years they wouldn't get their tridents until a few months on their teams and it was the local team's discretion.

They probably give it after BUD/S for foreign visitors though just as a souvenir.

IA Infantry :

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@Johny_Baba @Gessler @abingdonboy can take over now.......

What's new/special here?

They still look like kids in toy store. This is a photoshoot to look cool, the CRPF QAT is in fact mediocre even by Indian training standards. If practicality was to be displayed here, they'd be emphasizing comtacs and SDRs, standardized pragmatic camo, properly kitted gear etc. It just comes across as a case of pathetic PR trying to look cool rather than meaningful progress.

Provide a link which says QAT had bought the quad tubes in sizeable numbers rather than the images which are part of PR stunt.
Concerning the image of 6th Para they got these equipments only recently and in no way they are superior to what SF have in their arsenal wheyher its the plate carriers, hugh cuts, commns boots or knee pads. They are on par with SF but the nhnbers they bought is sceptical. Only peice which is better than the SF is the MOR sights on the Tar-21s, then again that too is bought only in limited numbers.
Well we all can agree to the fact that Para SF in no way can be compared with other SFs except SSG in terms of equipment. (SSG afaik might be having a little edge in terms of freedom to procure equipment). But that doesnt mean euther QAT or Para airborne if looked from a wider angle is better equipped than SF

You're missing the point, even if this is PR/photoshoot the fact that CRPF are emphasising new tech and showing this stuff off shows their mindset, PARA (SF) are showing what? Almost nothing new in 10++ years.

View attachment 91439 NSG badge in background GSG9 officer office

Yeah, NSG was reorganised with the help of GSG 9 after 26/11. They train together pretty often too. So makes sense.

NSG-GSG9 relationship goes back further than that, NSG was loosely raised on the lines of GSG9, not sure how much active interaction they have these days but they are certainly exposed to one another.

 

[Marliii]

Lol, Garuds are sitting ducks, were they sent to Pakistan occupied Kashmir to bring back Wing Commander Abhinandan?

Either they should take a dedicated combat search and rescue as unit 669 and para rescue jumpers instead of doing even guarding of infra

 

[FalconSlayers]

Either they should take a dedicated combat search and rescue as unit 669 and para rescue jumpers instead of doing even guarding of infra

Their roles are useless as well, securing airbases, lol.

 

[Marliii]

Their roles are useless as well, securing airbases, lol.

There are specified units for that job in airforce but still we need garuds.

 

[abingdonboy]

Either they should take a dedicated combat search and rescue as unit 669 and para rescue jumpers instead of doing even guarding of infra

Pararescue/CSAR is a primary mission of Garuds and they are trained and organised for it


But I agree they likely lack the assets to be effective at it as of now, they don't even have dedicated CSAR aircraft

Given how little Abhinandan went into POK it's not really plausible to suggest they could have reacted swiftly enough to go get him even if they did.

 

[tejas10]

Lol, Garuds are sitting ducks, were they sent to Pakistan occupied Kashmir to bring back Wing Commander Abhinandan?

They were incidentally, the CSAR bird was shot down by an accidental missle from IAF AD, resulting in 6 KIA. Led to the formation of air defense command, one of Gen. Rawat’s first initiatives as CDS.

 

[abingdonboy]

They were incidentally, the CSAR bird was shot down by an accidental missle from IAF AD, resulting in 6 KIA. Led to the formation of air defense command, one of Gen. Rawat’s first initiatives as CDS.

Is it confirmed that was a CSAR bird that went down? Garuds were part of the KIA?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

If Wing Co Abhinandan was to be retrieved there was only 9 Para who could do the job because they cross LOC like we cross Gully.

Garud and Marcos are more show off forces..They have great Instagram pictures and cool stories to share like we brag after we are drunk but in reality they are nowhere near the SF ops experience that they need to have to be considered SF.

Ya Ya .. those Wular lake ops and RR unit deployments are not SF ops btw.

 

[tejas10]

Is it confirmed that was a CSAR bird that went down? Garuds were part of the KIA?

They did not publicize it but i have confirmation On good authority. You can check IAF causality list to check units of personnel KIA
EDIT: IMO, a really disappointing picture overall in terms of integration and communications

 

[Marliii]

If Wing Co Abhinandan was to be retrieved there was only 9 Para who could do the job because they cross LOC like we cross Gully.

Garud and Marcos are more show off forces..They have great Instagram pictures and cool stories to share like we brag after we are drunk but in reality they are nowhere near the SF ops experience that they need to have to be considered SF.

Ya Ya .. those Wular lake ops and RR unit deployments are not SF ops btw.

Garud images are popping all over instagram like rookies

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Weren’t Garuds used in the recent stand off with China as forward combat controllers and manning manpads units in forward high altitude posts?

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Weren’t Garuds used in the recent stand off with China as forward combat controllers and manning manpads units in forward high altitude posts?

Yes, reports suggested so and there was a video as well

 

[Marliii]

Weren’t Garuds used in the recent stand off with China as forward combat controllers and manning manpads units in forward high altitude posts?

Manning manpad could been done by normal troops too

 

[abingdonboy]

If Wing Co Abhinandan was to be retrieved there was only 9 Para who could do the job because they cross LOC like we cross Gully.

Garud and Marcos are more show off forces..They have great Instagram pictures and cool stories to share like we brag after we are drunk but in reality they are nowhere near the SF ops experience that they need to have to be considered SF.

Ya Ya .. those Wular lake ops and RR unit deployments are not SF ops btw.

I think we've had this conversation before but I'll say it again- that doesn't make any sense. You don't do SAR/CSAR on foot, the only way you can reasonably expect success is using helos, Garuds are the only CSAR trained unit India has and they are made ready for this mission 24/7, they are lacking the kind of specialist aviation assets that are really needed for the role though.

Abhi was in Paki custody before Army HQ had even alerted their local commanders, a ground operation from a PARA SF team was never on the cards, at best they'd have been at the crash site within a day?

 

[tejas10]

This is non pertinent to the forum discussion but I would like to thank you all for providing a good discussion on Indian SF. Disclaimer: I am Indian by birth and creed but served 5 years in the 82nd airborne in the United States, wanted to join IA but NRI status prevented a lot. I look forward to participating more in the forum as I still maintain my allegiance to India as well.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Something I have been wondering recently what is the mandate of garuds?a lot of things have been told about them.rescue of downed pilots so it can be said as combat search and rescue in some sense in the US para rescue jumpers does CSR and unit 669 in israel.then they have the task of lasing targets for laser guided bombs one that is done in US by special reconnaisance (SR).garuds are also used for protection of critical IAF infrastructure.they seems to be over extending themselves it seems to me.

Weren’t Garuds used in the recent stand off with China as forward combat controllers and manning manpads units in forward high altitude posts?

Yes, reports suggested so and there was a video as well

IMO the role of the Garuds should be something like this seen in this video.
@abingdonboy @rkhanna @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @AVINASH4061 and other senior members as well as others I’ve not tagged what do you guys think?

 

[Marliii]

This is non pertinent to the forum discussion but I would like to thank you all for providing a good discussion on Indian SF. Disclaimer: I am Indian by birth and creed but served 5 years in the 82nd airborne in the United States, wanted to join IA but NRI status prevented a lot. I look forward to participating more in the forum as I still maintain my allegiance to India as well.

"The all americans" or screaming eagles?

 

[FalconSlayers]

This is non pertinent to the forum discussion but I would like to thank you all for providing a good discussion on Indian SF. Disclaimer: I am Indian by birth and creed but served 5 years in the 82nd airborne in the United States, wanted to join IA but NRI status prevented a lot. I look forward to participating more in the forum as I still maintain my allegiance to India as well.

This dude then needs a professional tag.