Indian Special Forces

[Bleh]

crpf has done a better job than paras modernizing

Their QAT had the best camo....

 

[zathura98]

rifle does'nt look dummy to me

 

[Bleh]

There are POV videos of professional infantry/ex SF obliterating amateurs during airsoft events- the pros run around like it’s COD taking out pretty much the entire field with a pistol in their hand.

that’s pretty much what my expectation would be if you put even a tier 2 SOF guy from the West with all their ‘Gucci’ night vision/fighting tech against a Para/Garud (MARCOs might be okay) unit that outnumbers them 20/30:1….like a hot knife through butter

it cannot be overstated what an advantage that night fighting capability gives you

I once came across a rant made by a Ranger or Delta or something on Quora. American guy.

He rated individually Indian personnel were far below themselves or any NATO ally at combat capability... His opinion was it's not only tech or equipments. The very Indian attitude is problematic. I learnt that all military training exercises are a choreographed joke, with the same tactics being brainlessly used without any attempt to improvement or trying to find the effectiveness or weakness.
Gave an example of how one Swedes sub once "sank" an American carrier in exercise. That it'll never happen in an Indian exercise, because there everything always goes according to plan.

 

[Kumaoni]

I
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Gave an example of how one Swedes sub once "sank" an American carrier in exercise. That it'll never happen in an Indian exercise, because there everything always goes according to plan.

and when we do we have an army of pooojeets who make essays of excuses defending americans

Did India Quietly Sink a U.S. Navy Submarine?

The Navy should be taking notes on this historic event.

nationalinterest.org

 

[Bleh]

India has no SOF, so his point is muted. Paras till the late 90s were on par with rangers

He interacted with Ghatak units... I remembered that much only.

 

[Kumaoni]

He interacted with Ghatak units... I remembered that much only.

sounds like a larper

 

[kaboom]

I once came across a rant made by a Ranger or Delta or something on Quora. American guy.

He rated individually Indian personnel were far below themselves or any NATO ally at combat capability... His opinion was it's not only tech or equipments. The very Indian attitude is problematic. I learnt that all military training exercises are a choreographed joke, with the same tactics being brainlessly used without any attempt to improvement or trying to find the effectiveness or weakness.
Gave an example of how one Swedes sub once "sank" an American carrier in exercise. That it'll never happen in an Indian exercise, because there everything always goes according to plan.

We have a weak, underequipped and outdated infantry ; a damm solid artillery ; almost non existing SF .

 

[Kumaoni]

We have a weak, underequipped and outdated infantry ; a damm solid artillery ; almost non existing SF .

I’m always so tempted to refute that they are underequipped till i realize that LC units are only <10% of the army

 

[Bleh]

and when we do we have an army of pooojeets who make essays of excuses defending americans

Did India Quietly Sink a U.S. Navy Submarine?

The Navy should be taking notes on this historic event.

nationalinterest.org

Nononono...You got my point wrong.
his point was in an exercise, no "Paki" sub will sink our destroyer or carrier. When we "sink" an American they'll swiftly figure out why it happened & how to sort it. But IN will find that out in war only

 

[Kumaoni]

Nononono...You got my point wrong.
his point was in an exercise, no "Paki" sub will sink our destroyer or carrier. When we "sink" an American they'll swiftly figure out why it happened & how to sort it. But IN will find that out in war only

And he knows this because he himself has worked for the IN?

 

[Bleh]

sounds like a larper

Could be...
But I didn't think American larper would know about Ghatak units. (He even mentioned living the revolver grenade launcher)

And he knows this because he himself has worked for the IN?

To be frank, over never heard of such news. US Navy regularly "receives a touch fight" in excercises by pretend-enemy... Ours do seem like choreographed maneuvering

 

[Kumaoni]

Could be...
But I didn't think American larper would know about Ghatak units. (He even mentioned living the revolver grenade launcher)

Anyway, that’s his exact opinion and shouldn’t be taken for much. And why is a ranger training with ghatak AFAIK rangers train with Paras.

And didn’t Maj Sudhir Walia top a ranger course in the 90s? even earnedtitleof Colonel there.

 

[Bleh]

Anyway, that’s his exact opinion and shouldn’t be taken for much. And why is a ranger training with ghatak AFAIK rangers train with Paras.

And didn’t Maj Sudhir Walia top a ranger course in the 90s? even earnedtitleof Colonel there.

90s was 30 years ago.


Anyone here knows which Yudh Abhyas rangers came?.. maybe we can figure how when & whom he interacted with

 

[Kumaoni]

90s was 30 years ago.

I’m assuming this delta lad from quora was from that era only.

 

[Bleh]

I’m assuming this delta lad from quora was from that era only.

Mentioned insas (actually said it's not at all a shitty rifle but needs more ironing, now that's ironic )

 

[Kumaoni]

Mentioned insas (actually said it's not at all a shitty rifle but needs more ironing, now that's ironic )

So he was indeed from that era.
Would like for him to remember that The americans got “pinned down” by irregular milita men in somalia and ultimately chickened out of an offensive due to lack of air support and artillery in this time.

 

[Kumaoni]

Paras in 1990:
>Top tier stalking capabilities
>World class infiltration abilities
>ability to lay ambushes in 10,000 feet passes
>good assymetrical warfare abilities (Iraq, Afghan, Africa)
>OK equipment for it’s time (you can excuse equipment in the 90s cuz india was dirt poor)
>Thousands of successful ops done in the Kashmir and across LoC


Paras after 2010s:
>Shit training in modern technology
>same equipment it’s running with barring one or two pics where they are on par with late 2000s GWOT SF
>no cross border capabilities (has come down IMO)
>no assymetrical warfare capability (has also comedown)
>do cordon and search operations for some odd reason
>assault militant hideouts at early light- same way they used to when they first came into kashmir

 

[Bleh]

So he was indeed from that era.
Would like for him to remember that The americans got “pinned down” by irregular milita men in somalia and ultimately chickened out of an offensive due to lack of air support and artillery in this time.

Yea maybe from pre-2010.

Anyways that was the take of a professional so I shared it. Personally i think Indian military is too huge & too heterogeneous for anyone to make any blanket statement that applies for all... wyse to Paki (comparable to us) o ki lund lag gayi thi compared to how the Americans performed.

 

[rkhanna]

He rated individually Indian personnel were far below themselves or any NATO ally at combat capability... His opinion was it's not only tech or equipments. The very Indian attitude is problematic. I learnt that all military training exercises are a choreographed joke, with the same tactics being brainlessly used without any attempt to improvement or trying to find the effectiveness or weakness.
Gave an example of how one Swedes sub once "sank" an American carrier in exercise. That it'll never happen in an Indian exercise, because there everything always goes according to plan.

This is absolutely BS. JCOs have proven a multiple times in the real world of being extremely flexible and looking for out of the box solutions. (Real world i mean actual war - from the Helo Hopping In the east in 1971 to the taking of Siachen to the taking of the Heights against the chinese a couple of years ago)

Few examples against the Americans

In Cope India 2004 IAF pilots out fought the Americans purely basis their Strategy - they repeatedly changed fighter mix against USAF opfor changing AoA and flight profiles against US Defenders causing whole host of problems. The Example of IN Subs repeatedly breaching USN defenses is posted above. in an SOF ex the Paras dropped furtheer away from a target they were to assault. crept up from a different direction and suprised the Americans. in a Joint Ex in America the Gurkha's even with no Night Vision were quieter through the forst suprising the Americans on a number of occasions.

I could go on and on and on.

This is by far the dumbest thing i have ever heard posted on Quora.

 

[Kumaoni]

This is absolutely BS. JCOs have proven a multiple times in the real world of being extremely flexible and looking for out of the box solutions. (Real world i mean actual war - from the Helo Hopping In the east in 1971 to the taking of Siachen to the taking of the Heights against the chinese a couple of years ago)

Few examples against the Americans

In Cope India 2004 IAF pilots out fought the Americans purely basis their Strategy - they repeatedly changed fighter mix against USAF opfor changing AoA and flight profiles against US Defenders causing whole host of problems. The Example of IN Subs repeatedly breaching USN defenses is posted above. in an SOF ex the Paras dropped furtheer away from a target they were to assault. crept up from a different direction and suprised the Americans. in a Joint Ex in America the Gurkha's even with no Night Vision were quieter through the forst suprising the Americans on a number of occasions.

I could go on and on and on.

This is by far the dumbest thing i have ever heard posted on Quora.

Not to mention- UNSOM 2 1994

The americans were shown to be utterly helpless in an entirely infantry environment