Indian Special Forces

[jai jaganath]

YOs and JCOs will save us from China like they did in Kargil.

U will get to see bro
How much competent young officers and jco have become only war will can convince u

 

[Blood+]

YOs and JCOs will save us from China like they did in Kargil.

At a huge cost, paid in the lives and limbs of the said people.

 

[Kumaoni]

And we first need to accept we are bad at those things we aren't ready for that

I’ve noticed an unnecessary casualty amount in urban buildings clearings. Ofc we aren’t america who uses an air strike Everytime there security gets breached but there are better methods of clearing building

 

[Blood+]

I’ve noticed an unnecessary casualty amount in urban buildings clearings. Ofc we aren’t america who uses an air strike Everytime there security gets breached but there are better methods of clearing building

Even the Chechens and Wagner guys showed better aptitude in that regard.

 

[Kumaoni]

U will get to see bro
How much competent young officers and jco have become only war will can convince u

Hardly any difference since Kargil and now

At a huge cost, paid in the lives and limbs of the said people.

Huge cost will go to the enemy as well.

 

[Kumaoni]

Even the Chechens and Wagner guys showed better aptitude in that regard.

They killed 20 ukranians holed up in a mosque with zero own casualties?

 

[Blood+]

Hardly any difference since Kargil and now
Huge cost will go to the enemy as well.

Maybe, if we can achieve fire superiority but given the state of our artillery, I have my doubts.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

I’ve noticed an unnecessary casualty amount in urban buildings clearings. Ofc we aren’t america who uses an air strike Everytime there security gets breached but there are better methods of clearing building

Getting proper night time fighting capability will aid to that and then not waiting till morning to start the operation until pigs get time to set ieds inside whole house

 

[jai jaganath]

Hardly any difference since Kargil and now
Huge cost will go to the enemy as well.

Na na
Hardly any difference btw kargil and now is for us not for our enemies
Chinese are no way similar 1999
Infact the quality of our officers has come way down from that period

 

[Blood+]

They killed 20 ukranians holed up in a mosque with zero own casualties?

Nailing a handful of yahoos holed up inside a single building is an entirely different ballgame than clearing a whole fucking city, full of highly trained and well-equipped professional soldiers, where you can get fired at from any of the hundreds of windows that are around you!! True, the Wagnerians suffered heavy casualties, but imagine what would have happened if one of our formations had to mount such an operation and what the outcome would be with our soldiers lacking in both equipment and PPE!!

 

[Kumaoni]

Killing a few yahoos sitting inside a single building is entirely different than clearing a fucking city, full of highly trained and well-equipped professional soldiers!! True, the Wagners suffered heavy casualties but imagine what would have happened if one of our formations had to mount such an operation and what the outcome would be with our soldiers lacking in both equipment and PPEs!!

Anyone will take heavy casualties in this regard. Clearing urban Guerrilla from fortified structure is altogether different from facing a convential army in urban warfare.

Anyway, I already know of formations mounting hard operations and clearing first rate Pak troops from fortified positions, but this was in 1965 and 1971. However, the casualty ratio was in our favor both times.

 

[Kumaoni]

Infact the quality of our officers has come way down from that period

From Colonel to Maj General- heavily
From Maj Gen-Upwards- slightly
From 2/Lt to Lt Col- slightly

 

[jai jaganath]

People here don’t understand we lack in areas and are good in others.

I’d say we lack in: gear, tactical doctrine, standardization, PR, urban warfare (we lose many soldiers in clearing buildings, although NSG has a fine record here).
I’d say we are good in: Mountain warfare (among the best here), jungle warfare, tactical adjustment, ambush patrolling, and COIN in the jungles, and ofc guts

Our training could be better tho

I just don't understand every 2-3 months this argument always pushed by members
We are good at training tactics but bad in terms of equipments
Comon it's high time for members to understand in sof equipments tactics and training are not different
They are damn interconnected
If u have poor equipments u can't have mordern and good training
If u have poor and outdated training then u can't have good equipments
No point is singular
Everything is systematically arranged and and ecosystem forms around it
That ecosystem desires mandate of units, quality of mentality, mordern training which arises the need of morden equipments which further pushes the brain to develope new tactics to further improve the competency and quality of operation
And this is a constant process it never stops let there be conflict or not the ecosystem runs by own coz that has promoted meritocracy in itself which can stop development in sof branch
This thing have been explained by many knowledgeable members of this forum


And I am tired of this "best mountain force" theory

 

[jai jaganath]

From Colonel to Maj General- heavily
From Maj Gen-Upwards- slightly
From 2/Lt to Lt Col- slightly

Many info has proved the fact of their incompetency in recent times
If u still want to explain such u can
Only war can explain

 

[DumbPilot]

she is not even an officer,
this basic level of knowledge is minimum requirement for the average brute

reminds me of that North Korean escapee who goes on stream with subpar knowledge

 

[Kumaoni]

I just don't understand every 2-3 months this argument always pushed by members
We are good at training tactics but bad in terms of equipments
Comon it's high time for members to understand in sof equipments tactics and training are not different
They are damn interconnected
If u have poor equipments u can't have mordern and good training
If u have poor and outdated training then u can't have good equipments
No point is singular
Everything is systematically arranged and and ecosystem forms around it
That ecosystem desires mandate of units, quality of mentality, mordern training which arises the need of morden equipments which further pushes the brain to develope new tactics to further improve the competency and quality of operation
And this is a constant process it never stops let there be conflict or not the ecosystem runs by own coz that has promoted meritocracy in itself which can stop development in sof branch
This thing have been explained by many knowledgeable members of this forum


And I am tired of this "best mountain force" theory

lol what? You think good tactics are the results of just good equipment? Then please explain to me how the Assam rifles has the record for gunning down 72 militants in a single operation when they were outnumbered and outgunned, using SLRs against militants with Ak56 assault rifles
If we are talking about infantry then tactically, yes our infantry is doing decent. It could be doing better, agreed, but it is doing decent given the fact that the army allocates more funds to other arms than basic kitting. Like they think T90s are more imrootant than a basic kit

The main issue is that the tactics SOF use are identical to that off infantry, which is why they lose the same amount of men as infantry to holed up militants.

13 RR in 2009 and 10 Para SF in 2016 faced an almost identical situation when they had to deal with two holed up militants. 13 RR lost one Major and one Naik while gunning two dreaded insurgents while 10 Para and 4 Para took 3 KIA. To kill 3 fidayeen in holed up positions. Infantry and SF has zero difference

 

[Kumaoni]

Many info has proved the fact of their incompetency in recent times
If u still want to explain such u can
Only war can explain

Well Feb 27th was the result of AF but Galwan was a nationwide humiliation and Indian army effectively became a joke after 2020

 

[Blood+]

From Colonel to Maj General- heavily
From Maj Gen-Upwards- slightly
From 2/Lt to Lt Col- slightly

I would agree with that assessment if folks like Major Sapru and Avinash Sahani weren't in the minorities.

 

[Kumaoni]

I would agree with that assessment if folks like Major Sapru and Avinash Sahani weren't in the minorities.

Major Sapru Is an officer of back then only

 

[Blood+]

Major Sapru Is an officer of back then only

I know and even then, he was in the minority. I can only assume that the situation has got only worse over the years.