Indian Special Forces

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

He passed away unfortunately

We should give them some protection too.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Dead

Matyred.

Was a soldier.

 

[Love Charger]

Dead

Veergati ko prapt hua , wo bhi ek sainik tha .

 

[abingdonboy]

Not sure now. I though he was Marcos by his west and overall appearance. If he is part of VBSS, I would say its pretty good set up.

Neither. He is EOD that attach to MARCOs

 

[abingdonboy]

Going everyday patrolling for miles just to be ambushed is not special operations. MARCOS did what their mandate was, Para commando units acted like super infantry. They didn't take too many casualties after that one year, listen to that interview of Brig Sanjay Thakur, they usually did int gathering ops which is the mandate of SF.

By the way look at these fools who lead our country: The army expert is from an infantry battalion and says he lead 'Surgical Strike' like ops at a different level. He mentions 9 Para as 9 Para but 6 Para (Airborne), at the time this video was released it was still Airborne, as 6 Para SF...….He says Tangail Paradrop was a special operation.

As for that Navy guy, he called IMSF as "Indian Marine Security Force", saying that they are marine infantry and train with SEALs annually so as not to loose their SEAL like capability. They mention AFSOD as a QRT team for armed forces. And more importantly claim that they have 2 RR battalions in AFSOD as Special Forces. Can anyone tell me pls WTF is happening here?

Literally no one has a clue because there is nothing to be clued up on. AFSOD’s mandate was never really revealed and also never achieved so people heard the term and attached whatever nonsense they wanted to it

there is ZERO SF doctrine in india or strategic employment so they are simply referring to their respective units as commandos and imagining them as super infantry/ninja type units not actual SF.

Like I’ve said countless times- india has no actually SF

 

[abingdonboy]

Assault dog in question, seems to be much more prevalent in use by RR now. Ignore the cringe edits.

A flipping good boy, sadly he didn’t make it.

definitely seems like the IA’s MWD program has picked up in recent years and they are being trained and employed in a professional manner I just hope that their handlers are being trained to administer K9 first aid and there are veterinarian resources forward deployed for them

it’s a very dangerous job they are asked to do sadly

 

[Jedi Operator]

Literally no one has a clue because there is nothing to be clued up on. AFSOD’s mandate was never really revealed and also never achieved so people heard the term and attached whatever nonsense they wanted to it

there is ZERO SF doctrine in india or strategic employment so they are simply referring to their respective units as commandos and imagining them as super infantry/ninja type units not actual SF.

Like I’ve said countless times- india has no actually SF

Watch this.....literally everything here is true. You listen to this you understand Indian SF....simple!

 

[rkhanna]

Watch this.....literally everything here is true. You listen to this you understand Indian SF....simple!

Everything here has been said a countless times by few on this thread and they have gotten abuses called desh dhrohis and whatnot for insulting the Army. Lol

Sadly the ultimate truth is that these seminars will keep happening. Gen Katochs of the world will keep writing articals but our the deep routed eatablishmenr will still continue to believe that large scale manouvers will win wars (armour and artillery) and that infantry job is to absorb lead and that's why a Mass produced regiment of super troopers will always be prioritised.

 

[SGOperative]

deep routed eatablishmenr will still continue to believe that large scale manouvers will win wars (armour and artillery) and that infantry job is to absorb lead

How is that thinking wrong in conventional war? SF have an important role but their missions will be to support the advance of the conventional forces, or perform niche roles in a overall spectrum.
IF Para SF have to be utilised at their max potential their administrative command has to be taken away from a conventional force. Hence the idea of a separate command exists at all, and it wont be coming from inside the army ever until a SF officer becomes a general or something and the MOD will have to push here.

 

[rkhanna]

How is that thinking wrong in conventional war? SF have an important role but their missions will be to support the advance of the conventional forces, or perform niche roles in a overall spectrum.
IF Para SF have to be utilised at their max potential their administrative command has to be taken away from a conventional force. Hence the idea of a separate command exists at all, and it wont be coming from inside the army ever until a SF officer becomes a general or something and the MOD will have to push here.

That thinking in a conventional war will only bring tactical battle space impact. The point of SOf (vs commando)units is to have strategic impact.the 21sr century battle space is miles different. ( Cyber / Digital). SOF purpose is to cripple an enemies ability to manouver and remain in the fight in the shortest period of time at a strategic level. It will save lives, material and treasure and lessens the possibility of an entrenched knucle drag like we see in Russia vs Ukraine.

It is also supposed to bridge capability disparity. Specially when we have a possibility of a 2 front war AND internal disturbances at the same time.

Removing SOF from conventional army ORBT has been the need of the hour since kargil - in commissions, AARs and other veteran reviews etc

 

[SGOperative]

That thinking in a conventional war will only bring tactical battle space impact. The point of SOf (vs commando)units is to have strategic impact.the 21sr century battle space is miles different. ( Cyber / Digital). SOF purpose is to cripple an enemies ability to manouver and remain in the fight in the shortest period of time at a strategic level. It will save lives, material and treasure and lessens the possibility of an entrenched knucle drag like we see in Russia vs Ukraine.

It is also supposed to bridge capability disparity. Specially when we have a possibility of a 2 front war AND internal disturbances at the same time.

Removing SOF from conventional army ORBT has been the need of the hour since kargil - in commissions, AARs and other veteran reviews etc

SFs wont be doing the counter offensive, it would be regular Army units who would strike and hold the captured ground. While they would be having an important role but cant be priotised at expense of regulars. Agreed with removing them from Conventional Army orbat also helps them with unconventional stuff.

 

[SGOperative]

For the sake of nuclear deterrence, the common theme appreciated by most armies of the world whose countries have nukes, is to prevent war from happening. SF is what makes that possible. Today's war is sub conventional. India has been destroying this capability ever since. Be it the pathetic condition of our SF in terms of strategic employment or CIT X & CIT J of R&AW. And if you talk about Indo-Pak war of 1971, see how SF operated, SFF and Navy Divers trained mukti bahini prior to the war.

The Nukes minimise the chances of war not get rid of it, Operation Parakram is something right? . Army is supposed to fight conventional war and not be a source of funding for the SF. Let the SF have their own structure and funding something like the Poles where they are treated as different branch of armed forces because we dont have 700-800 billion USD as budget. Also CIT X and J were used against Pakistan and Khalistani Terrorist and they were effective in their job heck they were formed specially for that.

LET ARMY be ARMY and SF be SF.

 

[Jedi Operator]

The Nukes minimise the chances of war not get rid of it, Operation Parakram is something right? . Army is supposed to fight conventional war and not be a source of funding for the SF. Let the SF have their own structure and funding something like the Poles where they are treated as different branch of armed forces because we dont have 700-800 billion USD as budget. Also CIT X and J were used against Pakistan and Khalistani Terrorist and they were effective in their job heck they were formed specially for that.

LET ARMY be ARMY and SF be SF.

You got me misunderstood my boy. I know I didn't elaborate on it, that's why i deleted it later on. CIT X and J were effective but what happened to them latter on and similarly what happened to the idea of Special Forces Regiment should how little India cares for it's sub conventional fighting capability. Ok, even in a conventional war, we would have to use our SF the way they were used in 1971, some direct action raids and some training foreign fighters. MACV-SOG did the same in Vietnam. Green Berets did it in Afghanistan. You have to use special forces during peace time to let it be easier force multiplier when war starts.

 

[SGOperative]

You got me misunderstood my boy. I know I didn't elaborate on it, that's why i deleted it later on. CIT X and J were effective but what happened to them latter on and similarly what happened to the idea of Special Forces Regiment should how little India cares for it's sub conventional fighting capability. Ok, even in a conventional war, we would have to use our SF the way they were used in 1971, some direct action raids and some training foreign fighters. MACV-SOG did the same in Vietnam. Green Berets did it in Afghanistan. You have to use special forces during peace time to let it be easier force multiplier when war starts.

And how any of that role is taken away if they are given a different structure away from Regular Army?

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[Jedi Operator]

And how any of that role is taken away if they are given a different structure away from Regular Army?

Where did I disagree with on this, sir?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Why are these porkies here

 

[SGOperative]

Where did I disagree with on this, sir?

read your post in contradictory tone

 

[Jedi Operator]

Pak was also their? I dont think we'd show them our tactics or stuff. Teaching tomorrow's enemies today.

 

[SGOperative]

Why are these porkies here

SCO