Indian Special Forces

[rkhanna]

Pak was also their? I dont think we'd show them our tactics or stuff. Teaching tomorrow's enemies today.

nobody is learning any tactics in these ex. All they are doing is CQB and mental masterbation. At best they will know how competent we are at basic soldiering (or not)

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

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MARCOS with an IWI X-95 and Mepro-MOR (covered). As well as a TASL Helmet with an Armasen Tactical Helmet cover and SF RIG, at Sabarmati Waterfront rehearsing for Defexpo-22 related displays.

IAF special ops, a C130J Hercules (I assume), and what is written below?

 

[SGOperative]

You didnt quiet understand what i was saying.

Commando Units imbedded with Regular army will lead a counter offensive and break dead locks

True SOF in the 21st centuary sense are untethered by Tactical gain losses on the battlefield. they are tasked with making a strategic impact elswhere from Tactical Theaters - forcing the enemy to move to YOUR battle plan.

Exampls

1. In a war with Pak - SOF should mobilze the balouchy resistance and in FID mode hit pak strat infra - Ports, Water, Comms etc forcing Pak to divert resources and time away from their eastern front and areas of concentration.
- Embedded actions in conjunction with offensive Intel operations against softer targets - Mil Command, SSG HQ, ISI HQ, Civilian leadership etc

2. Against China - same inside tibet - the Chinese Logistics chain will be long - hit those airfields / disrupt their supply chain using a combination of force and EW/Cyber Warfare - disrupt their ability to manouver inside their OWN country.

Commando units will always be at the front and 'behind enemy lines' for them will always be shallow incursions from the front only

And isnt that more of supporting my point that Regular Army should be away from SF? Even while having different Administrative Command they can still augment them if needed but the Ghataks take on the role of Traditional Commando units.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Yeah which is why we saw Spetsnaz and VDV troops get massacred tackling worthless objectives.

SF units are supposed to be used as precision instruments at the enemy's key assets. C2 nodes, Artillery units, undertake sabotage, deep recce - things that enable and empower your conventional units to increase their efficacy manifold times.

And its not as if IA is blind to this, just the last 40 years of CI/CT have blunted the blade.

I think most important are the launch and recovery mediums/platforms because they determine how further you operate with your SF. Take this as an example:
Delta Force's blunder in Operation Eagle Claw, made them and SEAL Team 6 being used tactically during Grenada, Panama & 1st Gulf War rather than strategically with the only exception of rescue of a CIA asset from an Panamanian prison.
Similarly, Bravo Two Zero failed it's mission to destroy scud missiles because they choose to patrol on foot rather than use a land rover which other SAS teams did and were successful
In 2003 invasion of Iraq at midnight a small white propeller aircraft descended out of the darkness about 115 miles northwest of Baghdad. The plane had been in the inventory for years but had never before been used for a clandestine infiltration. Now its two Echo Squadron pilots were a hundred miles behind enemy lines searching through their night vision goggles for a place to land. There was no airfield—not even a dirt strip—nearby. Again what would determine how far it would land, I say that if launch and recovery platforms determine how far an SF team can go, the converse is also true. Up ahead, on the only paved road for miles around, they spotted the glow of an infrared chemical light a 24th Special Tactics Squadron operator had placed where he wanted them to touch down. Aligning the aircraft with the thin black ribbon across the desert, the lead pilot lowered the plane until the wheels screeched on the tarmac and the aircraft came to a rest. That allowed Delta to insert into Iraqi territory and use vehicles to go in the 'deepest that any special forces unit was ever able to insert into another country's border'.
Now you see for yourself, what I takeover from this is:
* Logistics is the most important, no matter how tough nuts the commandos are
* Support elements in form of Special Forces or Human Intelligence should guide the Logistics platforms
- This determines how far deep behind enemy lines you can go, this ultimately determines what task you will be assigned be it

 

[SGOperative]

"He however said he was not aware of the reports about the Rafale fighter aircrafts to be based at AFS Hasimara in North Bengal. Air Vice Marshal Singh was speaking to the media during a visit to the airbase where the second hub — Raiding Raptors (87 Squadron) — of C-130J Super Hercules has become fully operational with six aircrafts, meant for transporting troops for special operations, recently."

So the Veiled Vipers and Raiding Raptors are SOF sqdrns?

 

[SGOperative]

IAF special ops, a C130J Hercules (I assume), and what is written below?View attachment 176045

Super Herc is written
Sauce:

 

[Jedi Operator]

I think most important are the launch and recovery mediums/platforms because they determine how further you operate with your SF. Take this as an example:
Delta Force's blunder in Operation Eagle Claw, made them and SEAL Team 6 being used tactically during Grenada, Panama & 1st Gulf War rather than strategically with the only exception of rescue of a CIA asset from an Panamanian prison.
Similarly, Bravo Two Zero failed it's mission to destroy scud missiles because they choose to patrol on foot rather than use a land rover which other SAS teams did and were successful
In 2003 invasion of Iraq at midnight a small white propeller aircraft descended out of the darkness about 115 miles northwest of Baghdad. The plane had been in the inventory for years but had never before been used for a clandestine infiltration. Now its two Echo Squadron pilots were a hundred miles behind enemy lines searching through their night vision goggles for a place to land. There was no airfield—not even a dirt strip—nearby. Again what would determine how far it would land, I say that if launch and recovery platforms determine how far an SF team can go, the converse is also true. Up ahead, on the only paved road for miles around, they spotted the glow of an infrared chemical light a 24th Special Tactics Squadron operator had placed where he wanted them to touch down. Aligning the aircraft with the thin black ribbon across the desert, the lead pilot lowered the plane until the wheels screeched on the tarmac and the aircraft came to a rest. That allowed Delta to insert into Iraqi territory and use vehicles to go in the 'deepest that any special forces unit was ever able to insert into another country's border'.
Now you see for yourself, what I takeover from this is:
* Logistics is the most important, no matter how tough nuts the commandos are
* Support elements in form of Special Forces or Human Intelligence should guide the Logistics platforms
- This determines how far deep behind enemy lines you can go, this ultimately determines what task you will be assigned be it

To summarize, It is like the difference between Pawn and Queen in Chess. One is less powerful because it can move in one direction only and that too one at a time, the other is able to cover more squares and move in all directions

 

[Kumaoni]

You didnt quiet understand what i was saying.

Commando Units imbedded with Regular army will lead a counter offensive and break dead locks

True SOF in the 21st centuary sense are untethered by Tactical gain losses on the battlefield. they are tasked with making a strategic impact elswhere from Tactical Theaters - forcing the enemy to move to YOUR battle plan.

Exampls

1. In a war with Pak - SOF should mobilze the balouchy resistance and in FID mode hit pak strat infra - Ports, Water, Comms etc forcing Pak to divert resources and time away from their eastern front and areas of concentration.
- Embedded actions in conjunction with offensive Intel operations against softer targets - Mil Command, SSG HQ, ISI HQ, Civilian leadership etc

2. Against China - same inside tibet - the Chinese Logistics chain will be long - hit those airfields / disrupt their supply chain using a combination of force and EW/Cyber Warfare - disrupt their ability to manouver inside their OWN country.

Commando units will always be at the front and 'behind enemy lines' for them will always be shallow incursions from the front only

We did some special ops in 65 behind enemy lines, they hit the enemy ammo dumps and logistic bases. In 71 as well. Hit their artillery spots

 

[binayak95]

We did some special ops in 65 behind enemy lines, they hit the enemy ammo dumps and logistic bases. In 71 as well. Hit their artillery spots

in 71, we trained the Mukti bahini to be our saboteurs and frogmen behind enemy lines. We acted like the military power we are.

Unfortunately post the IPKF debacle we seem to have forgotten our potential.
Not that military intervention is always necessary. (or productive)

 

[rkhanna]

in 71, we trained the Mukti bahini to be our saboteurs and frogmen behind enemy lines. We acted like the military power we are.

Unfortunately post the IPKF debacle we seem to have forgotten our potential.
Not that military intervention is always necessary. (or productive)

We did some special ops in 65 behind enemy lines, they hit the enemy ammo dumps and logistic bases. In 71 as well. Hit their artillery spots

Right - but by today's standards those kind of ops are (what i would call) Commando ops - impacting the outcome at theater level.

IMO One of the SIngularly best Assymetrical / SOF ops we have undertaken in our history is the Missle Boat Attack on Karachi. That destroyed the ability of the PN to operate and maouver and not the mention the morale of the Pak mango man - no amount of internal propoganda is believable when you see your port up in flames.

[Note SOF is not about ninja's rappeling down helicopters in the dead of the night - its asymetrical warfare]

Also dont forget the Mukti Bahani and SFF action on the eastern front. the SFF was so sucessfull that the conventional forces couldnt keep up and asked them to slow the fuck down.

We also had embedded SF/SG/RAW FID in theater in the opening days of GWOT in Astan. Indian assets provided a decent link up of the NA to the Americans.

CIT J/X are all well and good but it comes down to strategy and mentality at the NSA/Cabinet Secretariate level and only then can filter down to Service HQ/CDS etc.

i.e Example of Rumfield turning SOCOM and JSOC loose
(though that has another bag of headache as the rest of the US military now is trying to re-orient towards fighting conventional peer powers - Ru/China etc and find themselves underprepared)

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Is this shit practical looks uncomfortable af

 

[Jedi Operator]

Is this shit practical looks uncomfortable af

It was a joke video by Polaner Tactical

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

It was a joke video by Polaner Tactical

Thank god

 

[Scramjet]

 

[SGOperative]

Do i see a belt setup there

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Black multicam?

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Can someone download these pics and post

 

[SGOperative]

Can someone download these pics and post

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

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Damn marcos look super cool