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India Set to Order High Altitude SeaGuardian Unmanned Drones Shortly from US, indicates Admiral R Hari Kumar
New Delhi. The Indian Navy is working on acquiring sophisticated drones for Combat and ISR roles and the much-awaited AoN for 30 High Altitude SeaGuardians “would be fielded Very Shortly.”

Chief of Naval Staff Admiral R Hari Kumar told India Strategic in an interview that the case for 30 (General Atomics) MQ 9B HALE RPAS (SeaGurdians) is “ready in all respects and would be fielded for accord of AoN very shortly.” The Indian Navy is already operating two unarmed MQ 9A Reapers for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) deep in the Indian Ocean, and, he observed the “Indian Navy’s experience with leased operations of SeaGuardian has been good and therefore, IN is actively pursuing a case for procurement of these aircraft.”

The Navy was the first Service to ask for SeaGuardians, the specific variant for monitoring ocean waves and depths, of the General Atomics generally-named Predator system, but later the Indian Air Force and Army also put up their requirements. So a figure of 30 of these highly sophisticated RPAS, or Remotely Piloted Aircraft System, was worked out with 10 aircraft for each Service. The requirement covers both Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) and Attack systems, the same that the US Air Force has used to locate and attack targets in Afghanistan with remote control joysticks and consoles in the hands of combat pilots on ground stations maybe in California or wherever.

The initial Indian proposal was only for ISR capability, but when Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited Washington in 2019, India pressed for attack capability and President Donald Trump agreed to that, thanks to negotiations by PM’s National Security Adviser Ajit Doval. Under the US Laws, sophisticated technologies can be shared with other countries only through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route with the approval of the President himself in high technology cases, and the Departments of State and Defense.


The recipient country has to be a good friend in simple words, and President Trump certified that. Then, there is Congressional oversight and support for the transaction is required from legislators in Washington also.

First Confirmation of the Deal
Notably, this is the first time that a Service Chief has gone on record to say that the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN), or the first firm step in approval by the Ministry of Defence, and the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for required funding, is around the corner. That indicates the order for these highly advanced Unmanned aircraft is not far on the horizon. As the first operator, the Indian Navy is the lead Service in the acquisition process, and recently, Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal VR Chaudhari also told this writer to check with the Navy about the progress about these highly advanced drones.

Admiral Hari Kumar made two other significant disclosures: That the US Government has agreed for collaboration with India’s DRDO towards developing indigenous High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE) RPAS in India, and, also to set up a Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) facility for the SeaGuardians in India. Besides, the MRO would be a SeaGuardian Global Sustainment (SGSH) hub, where this system from any country could be serviced.

Said Admiral Hari Kumar: “These enabling agreements would make India a Drone Hub as envisioned by Hon’ble Prime Minister. The Joint case is ready in all respects and would be fielded for accord of AoN very shortly. Once inducted these assets would be a game changer for the three Services.”

Predator/ Reaper/ SeaGuardian/ SkyGuardian
The General Atomics SeaGuardian can fly comfortably for 24 hours or more, depending upon the variant configuration, requirement and payload like cameras or precision weapons. Armed with Hellfire missiles, a Predator can hit a jeep, Vehicle, or a human target like a terrorist from far above.

The formidable Predator/ Reaper/ SeaGuardian/ SkyGuardian variants are made only in the US by its crown jewel technology company, General Atomics, and the US has sold these systems only to its close allies or strategic friends. India is a member of the QUAD, the four-nation friendly alliance of US, India, Japan and Australia to secure the international Sea Lines of Communications (SLOC), or maritime routes. China is a challenge to all, QUAD and other countries, particularly in the Indian Ocean, where it has aggressively been building bases or facilities as in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Maldives and Djibouti.

China has steadily been occupying faraway islands and atolls deep in the southern Indian Oceans, even in Antarctica, while in the Himalayas on borders, it has been slicing away uninhabited tough terrains of India’s Himalayan territory over the years. Negotiations only mean Two Steps Forward, One Step Backward for them to disengage and diffuse tension. Then they repeat the incursion elsewhere.

Troops on either side of the border are not allowed to carry weapons to a depth of 2km as per a mutual arrangement to avoid armed faceoffs. Nonetheless, the Chinese used barbed wire clubs to hit the unarmed Indian soldiers three years back; the Indian Army is now repaying them with the same barbs.

The Indian Army, Air Force and Navy have been operating Israeli drones since the late 1990s for surveillance, but the induction of the SeaGuardian would mean tremendous capability in discovering the rogues and then destroying them. In a serious situation, own or friendly forces can be called, and that is true even for alerting in Disaster Management. Any sophisticated capability has multiple uses.

Admiral Hari Kumar pointed out that “though IN has been operating RPAs for the last two decades, operations of SeaGuardian have greatly enhanced our surveillance capabilities. SeaGuardian RPA has enabled IN to increase surveillance activities over vast areas of Indian Ocean region ranging from Sunda Strait to the Gulf of Aden. The high endurance of the RPAs has enabled IN to maintain persistent surveillance over larger areas.”

The Admiral also stressed the role of inter-Services cooperation in making the best of their resources and their future plans.
 

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Yeh Sanctions ka Jhunjhana bajana band karo ab. For 2-3 decade every one is saying Sanctions Sanctions.

US sanction on Iran did not stop Iran to operate the F-14 Tomcats. There was no kill switch in it. They managed to secure parts from black market until that was stopped by US and then Iran started mothballing other remaining F-14.

They have older US planes also which they reversed engineering and started building operating new indigenous copies.
It would affect many politicians here in India though.we are very straight forward people when it comes to contracts and less crooked when we want things in our favour, especially when we look at our politicians.the gov and politicians or iran are incentivised and are used to a crooked way of living and will have many shady connections established with the likes of china,Russia,etc for their equipment and needs. We are only just getting set in the realpolitik way of thinking with many old lutyens types still malding about straying from the old stupid Gandhian way of doing things.

The Machiavellianism in Indian political leaders in service of India's interest must entrench and be a new normal,it is now only fledgling and until it is everywhere and pungent,we should avoid double edged deals and shady guys like the US.because normal sanctions has the capability to stump a lot of goody two shoes politicians in our ranks.
 

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I was not referring to the zero zero MB seat, but rather the mere fact that the bird did not just combust into flames - as SHARs were wont to do.
And the mere fact that a VTOL bird exists that is VLO and Supersonic is miracle enough - that 6800 kg of payload might sound measly but it IS available on ships that dont have to be 75k tonnes plus - distributed lethality alone is worth its weight.

The F35Bs allow nations like Japan and Korea to have a serious carrier force, and allows small LHAs to act as force multipliers - makes adversarial calculations difficult and complex, and presents unique capabilities.
Only advantage of F35 in my eyes seems to be that it might be produced a lot,giving it a maintenance,logistics and cost advantage compared to other jets.

It seems to suffer from trying too much news things at once and compromise in some areas to get a stealth and sensor advantage.these advantages better hold up as i personally prefer a more well rounded 5th fighter design and doctrine.

All in all I think the F35 is going to be an alright but not amazing game changer fighter envisaged by the US airforce as I think they could have made another well rounded fighter like F22.

It is going to be a Sherman tank of the skies,ok enough but carried by its ease of logistics and replacability due to established ecosystem to manufacture it.
 

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A report from government said, IN has started using containerized missiles. Wasn't this always the case? IN has all the missiles stored inside containers only aside from Dhanush.
Apart from Brahmos, I don't see any cannisterized missile in navy ships.
 

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What is use of naval gun like 76mm in today war, where there are missile which can destroy targets from 200 km away.
My question is particular to saryu class OPV which have not any missile defence.
Like suppose a situation, we have saryu OPV which have 76mm gun and the OPV is guarding our exclusive economic zone, can it stand against missille equipped frigate/corvette.
OPVs are for border patrolling at most. Moreover, they are so small in size, that even if you want to target it from 200 km away, your onboard RADAR would miss it. So for its patrolling duty, 76 mm gun is a damn good one.

This is the very reason why smaller navies do opt for missile boats.
 

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Ok what's the status of NGD
MDL transcripts from 2021 had pegged five NGDs at $6.5 billion and expected an RfI by 2025. The program was described as being at a conceptual stage. Yet progress is expected soon as NGDs were also present in the planned acquisitions list for 2022-23.
But before moving to NGD, I think we will see plan for NGF. I may be wrong here.
 

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INS Vagir, the fifth Scorpene class (Kalvari-class) submarine built by Mazagon Dock Limited has been delivered to the Indian Navy. After this, the next submarine to be delivered is INS Vagsheer which is the last of the 6 Kalvari-class submarines to be delivered to the Indian Navy.

 

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INS Vagir, the fifth Scorpene class (Kalvari-class) submarine built by Mazagon Dock Limited has been delivered to the Indian Navy. After this, the next submarine to be delivered is INS Vagsheer which is the last of the 6 Kalvari-class submarines to be delivered to the Indian Navy.

Expect a follow on order of 3 more Scorpene.
 

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