Indian Naval Aviation

[AJSINGH]

From what we have discussed here,

Initial Order:

12 MiG29K and 4 MiG29KUB

Follow on Order:

25 MiG29K and 4 MiG29KUB

So total may be,

37 MiG29K and 8 MiG29KUB


domain-b.com : India to order 29 more MiG-29Ks

that is good news ,want to see even more Mig 29K with IN ,that will reduce In dependency on IAF for maritime strike ,meanwhile NLCA is being developed

 

[sandeepdg]

Other than our very own naval LCAs and the Mig 29K, i would love to see the F-35B in our navy.......it will truly be a game changer in South Asia, as if that really happens, ours will be the only navy in the foreseeable future to operate a fifth generation stealth mrca in south Asia, although again as always, the Americans being a reliable defense partner is the big question......!!

 

[AkhandBharat]

Indian Navy Orders Six Naval Tejas LCA Fighters; Infuses Rs.900 Crore in Programme

Indian Navy Orders Six Naval Tejas LCA Fighters; Infuses Rs.900 Crore in Programme

Indian Navy has okay-ed the placement of an order for six Naval Tejas Light Combat Aircrafts (N-LCA). At an approximate cost of Rs 150 crore per aircraft, this will provide a Rs 900 crore infusion into the Naval LCA programme.

That investment in the Tejas programme is rooted in the navy's plan to operate both light and medium fighters off its aircraft carriers.

The Naval LCA will supplement the heavier Russian MiG-29K, which has already been ordered from Russia. The Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC), being built at Cochin Shipyard, Kochi, has been designed with a separate aircraft lift and maintenance facilities for the LCA, in addition to facilities for the MiG-29K. That has linked the development of the Naval LCA with the construction of the IAC, which is expected to join the fleet by 2014.

But the LCA programme faces a bottleneck in choosing a new engine. Two uprated engines -- the General Electric GE-414 and the Eurojet EJ-200 -- are currently being evaluated, but will be supplied only by 2013-14. And only with the new engine will the LCA have the power to get airborne from an aircraft carrier.

P S Subramaniam, the Director of the Aeronautical Development Agency, which coordinates the LCA programme, explains: "We will fly the Naval LCA with the current GE-404 engine to test its flight characteristics, and whether its structural strength is sufficient for aircraft carrier operations. After the LCA is fitted with a new, more powerful engine we will take the next step of operating from an aircraft carrier."

Meanwhile, a major shore-based test facility is coming up at INS Hansa, in Goa, which replicates an aircraft carrier deck on ground, complete with arrested recovery and a ski jump for take off. This facility, which is expected to be operational by October 2011, will be used for certifying the Naval LCA before actually flying off an aircraft carrier. This will also be used for pilots’ training and for training maintenance crews.

 

[AJSINGH]

Other than our very own naval LCAs and the Mig 29K, i would love to see the F-35B in our navy.......it will truly be a game changer in South Asia, as if that really happens, ours will be the only navy in the foreseeable future to operate a fifth generation stealth mrca in south Asia, although again as always, the Americans being a reliable defense partner is the big question......!!

even if we have f-35 ,we first need to have aircraft carrier with catapult technology , i would rather see the naval version of PAK FAGA

 

[SATISH]

I suggest EMALS. Steam catapults are of vintage kind of AC...

 

[venom]

WHAT

 

[Rahul Singh]

Remember an interview of ex chief S. Mehta in FORCE. He had stated that IN, DRDO and ELTA is jointly developing EM catapults for future carriers.

 

[sandeepdg]

even if we have f-35 ,we first need to have aircraft carrier with catapult technology , i would rather see the naval version of PAK FAGA

Mate, F-35B is a STOVL aircraft. It doesn't need a catapult equipped aircraft carrier. It is designed to use a short ski-jump or even take off & land vertically. This is the sole reason for South Korea and Japan choosing it as the future aircraft for their LHDs. No other country other than the US and France use catapult technology on their aircraft carriers.

 

[Quickgun Murugan]

Boeing signs offsets deal with Indian defence PSUs for P-8I contract
domain-b.com : Boeing signs offsets deal with Indian defence PSUs for P-8I contract

New Delhi: Boeing Co division, Integrated Defence Systems, has signed agreements with Indian defence public sector companies for the supply of equipment which will be fitted on Indian P-8I maritime surveillance aircraft. The P-8I, a variant of the US Navy's P-8A Poseidon, is a long-range, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft.

"We have signed agreements with Indian companies such as Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL), Electronic Corporation of India Ltd (ECIL) and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) for supplying equipment to us for the Indian P-8Is to be built in the US," Boeing India chief Vivek Lall said here.

"They will be supplying indigenous equipment and spares such as transponders and other electronic equipment for the aircraft," he added.

The Obama administration cleared the $2.1 billion sale to India of eight Boeing manufactured P-8I maritime patrol aircraft sometime in March this year. The deal overtook an earlier $1 billion Lockheed sale of six C-130J Super Hercules military transport planes to the Indian Air Force to become the largest US arms sale to India to date.

Under terms agreed upon, Boeing is to deliver the first P-8I within 48 months of signing the contract, and the remaining seven by 2015.

Boeing's P-8I contract includes associated support equipment, spares, training and logistical support through June 2019, the State Department said in its notice.

The sale would come under the purview of the Indian ministry of defence ''offset'' conditions, which are expected to include engineering service, manufacturing and integrated logistics-support projects totalling $641.3 million.

The P-8I

The P-8A Poseidon is a long-range anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft, which is capable of broad area maritime and littoral operations.

According to the company, the P-8A Poseidon is a true multi-mission platform with all sensors contributing to a single fused tactical situation display, which is then shared over both military standard and internet protocol data links, allowing for seamless delivery of information.

The P-8A is a derivative of the Next-Generation 737, with the fuselage of a 737-800 and the wings of a 737-900.

Boeing is developing the P-8A Poseidon for the US Navy, which has plans to purchase 108 P-8As with the first test aircraft to be delivered in 2009. Initial operational capability is scheduled for 2013.

In January 2009 Boeing won a contract from the Indian Navy to provide eight P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft, making India the first international customer for the P-8.

While CFM International supplies the engine that powers the P-8A, Northrop Grumman provides the directional infrared countermeasures system and the electronic support measures system.

Raytheon provides the upgraded AN/APY-10 maritime surveillance radar and signals intelligence solutions, while GE Aviation supplies flight-management and stores-management systems.

Spirit AeroSystems builds the 737 aircraft's fuselage and airframe tail sections and struts.

 

[jakojako777]

Fgfa??!?

Other than our very own naval LCAs and the Mig 29K, i would love to see the F-35B in our navy.......it will truly be a game changer in South Asia, as if that really happens, ours will be the only navy in the foreseeable future to operate a fifth generation stealth mrca in south Asia, although again as always, the Americans being a reliable defense partner is the big question......!!

I don't understand it... Isn't PAK FGFA project including naval version of PAK FGFA. I'm sure that they have said that many times for PAK FA so it is logical that it will exist that option for FGFA......or am I wrong?

If FGFA exists in naval version what is the point of having F-35?!?
FGFA will be better than F-35!:scaut:

 

[jakojako777]

INDIAN NAVY PILOTS UNDERGOING FLIGHT TRAINING IN RUSSIA

Thanks for great pictures! MiG 29KUB looks GORGEOUS!
Such beautiful plane! I'm sure that Indian navy pilots are proud to have such good plane! Jai Hindi!

 

[jakojako777]

Good news we are getting more jets. We will have a total of 45 new Mig-29k which I guess 16 is going on Gorshkov and I don't know how the 29 new Mig-29k will be used. How many does the Indigenous carrier hold? I thought it held 16 planes.

Hmm.... shouldn't it be few more than 16? Perhaps that number was related with SU-33 which is as we all know bigger plane.
Also some planes must be in reserve so it is logical to buy more than they will put on 2 carriers.
GREAT PLANE though!

 

[bhramos]

Su-33is almost a dead project.
So RuN is going ffor Mig-29K's toooo
hahahahhahahaaha

 

[sandeepdg]

I don't understand it... Isn't PAK FGFA project including naval version of PAK FGFA. I'm sure that they have said that many times for PAK FA so it is logical that it will exist that option for FGFA......or am I wrong?

If FGFA exists in naval version what is the point of having F-35?!?
FGFA will be better than F-35!:scaut:

Mate, i am just speculating. From, what is known, the FGFA or Sukhoi PAK-FA T50 is supposed to be a counter to the US F-22 and the JSF (F-35), but as of now it is to be based on taking the challenge of the F-22 Raptor, which is as of now is only a ground based fighter. So, for what we know is that the PAK-FA will primarily be inducted as a land based fighter. There's no confirmation on a naval version as of now. The JSF on the other hand has been designed with three variants, which include the F-35 A/B/C. The F-35B is a STOVL aircraft based on small carriers and LHD type ships. It will be available by 2014-15 and it has already been speculated to be offered as a future aircraft to the IAF and the IN.

 

[sandeepdg]

Hmm.... shouldn't it be few more than 16? Perhaps that number was related with SU-33 which is as we all know bigger plane.
Also some planes must be in reserve so it is logical to buy more than they will put on 2 carriers.
GREAT PLANE though!

The indigenous aircraft carrier will be capable of carrying around 30 Mig-29Ks, as it is in the league of Vikrant type carriers with a displacement of 40000 tons.

 

[jakojako777]

Mate, i am just speculating. From, what is known, the FGFA or Sukhoi PAK-FA T50 is supposed to be a counter to the US F-22 and the JSF (F-35), but as of now it is to be based on taking the challenge of the F-22 Raptor, which is as of now is only a ground based fighter. So, for what we know is that the PAK-FA will primarily be inducted as a land based fighter. There's no confirmation on a naval version as of now. The JSF on the other hand has been designed with three variants, which include the F-35 A/B/C. The F-35B is a STOVL aircraft based on small carriers and LHD type ships. It will be available by 2014-15 and it has already been speculated to be offered as a future aircraft to the IAF and the IN.

I agree with all you say(and I know already all that info on F-35)...You are right , there is no official confirmation for naval version yet.But I saw Russian comments on that (cause I was always chasing new information for Pak FA) more than few times.
I think everybody saw it at least once....be cause I saw it quite often even on some forums...
Also I don't find it so unusual that naval version is created...Why not?!!?
It would be absurd to have FGFA as an option and buy F-35!!?
So what if it will be available by 2014-15? You forget UK, Spain, Italy that want F-35B? India would have it only after clients from the list and FGFA will come in 2017! To pay what 130(?) million for plane that is worse than FGFA instead of waiting few years and having indigenous 5th generation FGFA??!
With all the respect that doesn't make sense!:sporty55:

 

[jakojako777]

It will be available by 2014-15 and it has already been speculated to be offered as a future aircraft to the IAF and the IN.

Yeah ,I'm sure that USA would be happy to sell it to India...
It's just that with quality and price of indigenous FGFA there is no sense to even think about another foreign plane..:viannen_10:
With FGFA around as naval version dominance on the sea will be assured!

 

[icecoolben]

Russia invented its last carrier borne aircrafts su-33, mig-29 k during soviet times. The orders expected were then ranging into hundreds of aircrafts to full fill the soviet carrier programme. But to spend as much development costs for so few fighters would be not economical. Also russia does not have a confirmed new aircraft carrier programme, those rheotic has been coming from russian dailies for a 5 carrier force programme. Conflicting reports about the carriers are coming like one report states russia would make nuclear carriers of 60,000 ton displacement another that it would borrow the indian design. A lot of different speculations about the launch systems one day they favour steam catapult launch and another day they say of stobar system. So a russian commitment for the carrier based version of pak fa would be next to nil. Any carrier variant would have to be funded by india who utmost would field 3 indigenous carriers which is already commited to the naval tejas. All these cases point to one eventuality, the naval version of pak fa would come out only if a russian carrier aviation programme starts by 2012. So that a requirement for carrier borne aircraft would rise by 2017.

 

[sandeepdg]

Yeah, since there's no probability of a naval version of the FGFA in the near future, the IN should consider the F-35B as the Americans have already expressed their desire in selling it in the future to India.

 

[ppgj]

the IN should consider the F-35B as the Americans have already expressed their desire in selling it in the future to India.

you take that seriously? it is just a balloon they floated for the MRCA. it would be great if they can fulfill india's MRCA requirement if selected.
as for viraat, in any case it is going to be retired soon. wait and get our own N-LCA a couple of years down the line.
infact IN has already infused funds for it, being smart as always.