Indian Naval Aviation

[StealthSniper]

Does the ADS carry 29 planes. That seems high to me, but that also means are own ADS is a better design.

 

[ppgj]

Does the ADS carry 29 planes. That seems high to me, but that also means are own ADS is a better design.

as per WIKI- it is 30. but my own guess is not all will be on the deck. some will be back up, some will always under maintainence on sort of rotation. so while about 20 on deck is logical the rest you can assume to be for the reasons i referred above. only my thoughts.

 

[corpus]

Role of Tu 22 M3 in the Indian navy.....

The IN operates 4 Tu 22M3 supersonic, mach 2 capable strategic bombers.
however the Tu 22M3 is not designed to be a maritime bomber unlike the Tu 142
and does not have ability to carry torpedoes and depth charges. moreover as these are leased aircraft it is unlikely any specialised software/hardware is installed for maritime attack. so wat is the exact role of these supersonic bombers in the IN?

 

[Vladimir79]

India never got the Backfire. India wanted to lease them as far back as 1999 but we didn't want to do anything but sell. No agreement could be reached.

 

[bhramos]

India to place order for 29 Mig-29K's soon

India to place order for 29 Mig-29K's soon


NEW DELHI: Decks have now been cleared for India to order another batch of MiG-29Ks after the specially-designed maritime fighters underwent successful flight-deck trials from Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov in the Barents Sea on September 28-29.

Defence ministry sources said the fresh order for 29 more MiG-29Ks from Russia for around Rs 5,380 crore (around $1.12 billion) will "soon'' be sent to the Cabinet Committee of Security for the final approval.

These jets will be in addition to 16 MiG-29Ks already contracted through the initial $1.5-billion Admiral Gorshkov package deal, which earmarked $974 million for the aircraft carrier's refit and the rest for the fighters, inked in January 2004.

While the military asymmetry with China is quite stark, aircraft carrier operations is one particular arena in which India is ahead of its much larger neighbour.

Grappling it may be with only 11 Sea Harrier jump-jets now, India's solitary aircraft carrier, the 28,000-tonne INS Viraat, has just undergone an 18-month life extension refit to ensure it can run smoothly for another five years.

China, in contrast, does not have an aircraft carrier. But it's furiously working to build them, apart from refurbishing the former Soviet Kuznetsov-class carrier Varyag and seeking to buy Su-33 carrier-borne fighters from Russia.

India, of course, will get the fully-refurbished Gorshkov only by early-2013, with New Delhi and Moscow likely to agree to a revised refit cost of around $2.6 billion. The first four of the contracted 16 MiG-29Ks, however, will touch down in India in October-November this year.

Though the fresh order for 29 more MiG-29Ks was cleared by Defence Acquisitions Council, chaired by defence minister A K Antony, quite some time ago, it was hanging fire since the fighters developed for India were still to be tested for take-offs and landings on an aircraft carrier.

"India wanted the MiG-29Ks to be proven in carrier-deck operations before inking the follow-on order for 29 more fighters...it was critical. Now, only a few weapon trials of MiG-29Ks are left,'' said a source.

MiG-29Ks will operate from both 44,570-tonne Gorshkov -- rechristened INS Vikramaditya after India has already paid $602 million for its refit -- as well as the 40,000-tonne indigenous aircraft carrier being built at the Cochin Shipyard, which should roll out by 2014-2015.

Armed with eight types of air-to-air missiles, including extended range BVR (beyond visual range) missiles, as well as 25 air-to-surface weapons for land-attack missions, the MiG-29Ks will provide the Navy with a lethal punch on the high seas.

The jets will also be capable of mid-air refuelling from IL-78 tankers as well as other MiG-29Ks under `buddy-tanking'. While 12 of the first 16 fighters will be the single-seat `K' variants, the other four will be twin-seater `KUB' trainer versions. Similarly, four of the next 29 jets will be `KUB' trainer versions.

To prepare for MiG-29Ks, 10 Indian naval pilots have already undergone training on them, even as shore-based training facilities have been established at INS Hansa in Goa.

Moreover, some naval pilots have also trained on the MiG-29s flown by IAF, while a few others have done courses in the US on combat manoeuvres undertaken from aircraft carriers under a $26 million agreement.

All this is needed since Indian naval pilots do not have the experience of `conventional' fighters like MiG-29Ks, which land on ship decks with arrestor wires. The `unconventional' Sea Harrier jump-jets in use land vertically on INS Viraat.

India to buy more MiG-29Ks - India - NEWS - The Times of India

What is buddy tanking

 

[Sridhar]

One Non tanker Aircraft refuelling the other . In this case a Mig 29 K refueling another.

 

[bhramos]

yeah you are right,
i think even IAF Su-30MKI also have Israeli Refuelling Pods.

 

[corpus]

India never got the Backfire. India wanted to lease them as far back as 1999 but we didn't want to do anything but sell. No agreement could be reached.

Indian Naval Air Arm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

> wrong info........?

 

[Vladimir79]

Indian Naval Air Arm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

> wrong info........?

Wiki is wrong, look at the picture, it has the Red Star.

 

[nitesh]

Please don't open threads based on wiki's info. Please do some research before posting.

Thread closed

 

[AJSINGH]

music to my ears

 

[corpus]

truly great..... if we can get just get the IAC up and running by 2015 supplemented by gorshkov we will have achieved blue water capabilities.. wat say?

 

[SATISH]

truly great..... if we can get just get the IAC up and running by 2015 supplemented by gorshkov we will have achieved blue water capabilities.. wat say?

Nope we still dont have a proper submarine arm...by 2022 if our economy is like this then we will become one.

 

[corpus]

Nope we still dont have a proper submarine arm...by 2022 if our economy is like this then we will become one.

three arihant class subs will be in commission by 2014. 2015 latest.. so will be long range diesel subs featuring AIP.

 

[SATISH]

three arihant class subs will be in commission by 2014. 2015 latest.. so will be long range diesel subs featuring AIP.

And are you sure they will be commisioned so soon?...I dont thnk so...this is ridiculous time frame...If every test and fitting of Arihant goes without a flaw then we might have 2...We also need SSn subs to protect the CBG...

 

[corpus]

And are you sure they will be commisioned so soon?...I dont thnk so...this is ridiculous time frame...If every test and fitting of Arihant goes without a flaw then we might have 2...We also need SSn subs to protect the CBG...

2 nd and third arihants will be launched in 2011 and 2012 respectively.. even with delays and 2-3 yrs taken for finishing work, reactor firing and sea trials 2015 is an optimistic date. we will be getting akula later this yr.. moreover the arihant IMHO will only be deployed in short range patrols as it s designed to counter our neighbours unlike US. so diesel electric subs can act as escorts.

as a matter of fact IMHO india should concentrate on diesel subs with advanced
AIP rather than nuclear SSNs...

 

[Sandrocottas]

Bhramos,

Wow, I did not know that IAC is 44,000 tonnes displacement as against Gorshkov's 48,500 tonnes displacement. This means india can build comparable AC.

Can you briefly give some stats of IAC.

Also, one of the articles in media quite some time back said that the present IAC under construction is of intermediate size and India has to use the experience to build bigger size IAC. Can anyone throw some light.

Regards,

 

[StealthSniper]

2 nd and third arihants will be launched in 2011 and 2012 respectively.. even with delays and 2-3 yrs taken for finishing work, reactor firing and sea trials 2015 is an optimistic date. we will be getting akula later this yr.. moreover the arihant IMHO will only be deployed in short range patrols as it s designed to counter our neighbours unlike US. so diesel electric subs can act as escorts.

as a matter of fact IMHO india should concentrate on diesel subs with advanced
AIP rather than nuclear SSNs...

Can you give us a link to back up the statements that the 2nd and 3rd Arihant will be launched in 2011 and 2012, I would like to see it. Also India is already concentrating on diesel subs with the upgrades of the Kilo subs happening or already happened. And of the 6 Scorpene subs being built 3 will be with AIP, and we are getting 6 more diesel subs.

Anyways we are getting off topic this thread is for Mig 29k.

 

[AJSINGH]

Bhramos,

Wow, I did not know that IAC is 44,000 tonnes displacement as against Gorshkov's 48,500 tonnes displacement. This means india can build comparable AC.

Can you briefly give some stats of IAC.

Also, one of the articles in media quite some time back said that the present IAC under construction is of intermediate size and India has to use the experience to build bigger size IAC. Can anyone throw some light.

Regards,

India cannot build AC with displacment of more than 50,000 tons because firstwe do not have that big dry docks and ship yards plus as the AC gets bigger , it needs better propulsion system ( neuclear proplusion ) that capabilty we have not achieved yet , the AC we are building fits the needs of IN very well ,no need of "frostel " size AC becuse that would an overkill

 

[icecoolben]

How many mig-29ks can INS vikramaditya field in its decks?

Does it mean our Indigenous carrier would als field these fighters instead of naval tejas.