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How many mig-29ks can INS vikramaditya field in its decks?

Does it mean our Indigenous carrier would als field these fighters instead of naval tejas.
Vessel can normally carry 12 - 16 fighters and 4 - 16 helicopters
Both Mig 29K and N-LCA will operate from the deck of INS vikramaditay
 

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Northrop Grumman to deliver Hawkeye E-2D AWE aircraft to India

Fri, Oct 9, 2009

India gradually increased its military cooperation with USA.

The latest India-U.S. defense deal is the sale of this Airborne Early Warning aircraft, Hawkeye E-2D, developed by American arms manufacturer, Northrop Grumman. Woolf Gross, the corporate director at the company, says the reconnaissance plane has yet to be introduced in the U.S. Navy. Its sale to India, he says, is a symbol of how close India/U.S. military relations are.

"So they [the Indians] could have advanced Hawkeyes in India about the same time that the U.S. Navy becomes fully operational with the same aircraft," he explained.

During Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's visit to India in July, the two countries agreed on the terms of such high technology sales to India.

India's Ambassador to Washington, Meera Shankar is optimistic about future cooperation. "Our militaries once unfamiliar with each other now hold regular dialog and joint exercises in the air and on land and sea. We coordinate anti-piracy efforts and have worked together on humanitarian missions. Our defense trade was negligible a decade ago. We placed orders worth $3.5 billion last year and it could grow even more in the future," Shankar said.

Since joint exercises between the two countries are expected to grow, it is better for India to buy equipment that is compatible with the U.S. military, says Walter Andersen at Johns Hopkins University. He says India imports most of its oil and gas and other merchandise by sea, and India is in favor of holding more joint naval exercises.

"And there is real and present danger from growing threats of piracy both on the eastern and western ends of the sea lanes coming out of the Strait of Hormuz carrying oil and gas. And also on the Horn of Africa as well as the Somalia coast where there have been real problems," Andersen said.

Northrop Grumman to deliver Hawkeye E-2D AWE aircraft to India : Defenseworld.net
 

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here is a video of the actual testing of the india bound mig29k its in russian if you need any probs in translation ask me

YouTube - Mig 29K/KUB tests aboard the Kuznetsov

Does the ADS carry 29 planes. That seems high to me, but that also means are own ADS is a better design.
the mig29k can also be operated from the shores if need be as far i know need to confirm the full specs why 29 needed
 

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Indian Built Fighters On Indian Built Carriers

September 23, 2009: The Indian Navy is buying six of the new LCA (Light Combat Aircraft, or "Tejas") fighters to fly from the new carriers they will enter service in the next five years. This is an experiment to see how the LCA will do as a carrier aircraft. The navy has already bought navalized MiG-29s for these carriers. The navy LCAs will also be navalized (mainly stronger landing gear, a tail hook and different cockpit electronics.) The MiG-29K weighs 21 tons (16 percent weapons), while the navalized LCA weighs 13 tons, 34 percent of that weapons. The MiG-29 is a better fighter, but the LCA carries a little more (4 versus 3.5 tons) armament, making it a cheaper way to attack ships or land targets with missiles and bombs. A land based carrier deck is being built, so the naval LCA can begin tests, and training pilots, within two years.

The LCA is only now preparing to enter mass production. Five prototypes already exist, and another ten pre-production models will be built next year. By 2012, mass production (at least 20 aircraft a year) is to begin, no matter what. Or at least that's the plan. For over two decades, India has been trying to design, develop and manufacture its own "lightweight fighter." India calls it the LCA, and the project has been a major disaster.

The U.S. F-16 is probably the premier "lightweight fighter" in service, and entered wide service about the time India began thinking about creating their own. Both the F-16 (at least the earlier models), and the LCA, weigh about 12-13 tons. But the F-16 is a high performance aircraft, with a proven combat record, while the LCA is sort of an improved Mirage/MiG-21 type design. Not too shabby, and cheap (about half the cost of an F-16). Also, for all this time, money and grief, India has made its aviation industry a bit more capable and mature.

When work began in the mid-1980s, it was believed that the aircraft would be ready for flight testing by 1990. A long list of technical delays resulted in that first flight not taking place until 2001. Corners had to be cut to make this happen, for the LCA was originally designed to use the Indian built Kaveri engine.

For a jet fighter, the engine is the most complex part of the aircraft, and the Kaveri has had its share of setbacks. Fortunately, there was an American engine, the GE 404, that fit the LCA, and could be used as a stop-gap. The Kaveri engine is not expected to be ready for flight tests until later this year, or thereabouts. The American engine has been used in the meantime.

For all this, India only plans to buy 200-300 LCAs, mainly to replace its aging MiG-21s, plus more if the navy finds the LCA works on carriers. Export prospects are dim, given all the competition out there (especially for cheap, second-hand F-16s). The delays have led the air force to look around for a hundred or so new aircraft (or even used F-16s) to fill the gap between elderly MiG-21s falling apart, and the arrival of the new LCAs. However, two decades down the road, the replacement for the LCA will probably be a more competitive, and timely, aircraft.

The LCA was not the first attempt to produce an Indian jet fighter. The HF-24 was an earlier attempt at developing a modern fighter. Designed by Kurt Tank (who also designed the FW-190 and Ta-152), the HF-24 was a failure because India could not develop a powerful enough engine. Thus the 147 HF-24s built, served from the 1960s, to the 1980s, as a ground attack aircraft.
 

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Indian Navy Orders Six Naval Tejas LCA Fighters; Infuses Rs.900 Crore in Programme

Indian Navy has okay-ed the placement of an order for six Naval Tejas Light Combat Aircrafts (N-LCA). At an approximate cost of Rs 150 crore per aircraft, this will provide a Rs 900 crore infusion into the Naval LCA programme.

That investment in the Tejas programme is rooted in the navy's plan to operate both light and medium fighters off its aircraft carriers.

The Naval LCA will supplement the heavier Russian MiG-29K, which has already been ordered from Russia. The Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC), being built at Cochin Shipyard, Kochi, has been designed with a separate aircraft lift and maintenance facilities for the LCA, in addition to facilities for the MiG-29K. That has linked the development of the Naval LCA with the construction of the IAC, which is expected to join the fleet by 2014.

But the LCA programme faces a bottleneck in choosing a new engine. Two uprated engines -- the General Electric GE-414 and the Eurojet EJ-200 -- are currently being evaluated, but will be supplied only by 2013-14. And only with the new engine will the LCA have the power to get airborne from an aircraft carrier.

P S Subramaniam, the Director of the Aeronautical Development Agency, which coordinates the LCA programme, explains: "We will fly the Naval LCA with the current GE-404 engine to test its flight characteristics, and whether its structural strength is sufficient for aircraft carrier operations. After the LCA is fitted with a new, more powerful engine we will take the next step of operating from an aircraft carrier."

Meanwhile, a major shore-based test facility is coming up at INS Hansa, in Goa, which replicates an aircraft carrier deck on ground, complete with arrested recovery and a ski jump for take off. This facility, which is expected to be operational by October 2011, will be used for certifying the Naval LCA before actually flying off an aircraft carrier. This will also be used for pilots’ training and for training maintenance crews
 

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http://http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/10/exclusive-photograph-of-indian-mig-29k.htmlIn the picture of MIG29K that appeared in livefist one of the readers of LIVEFIST blog pointed out that the MIG29K going to be supplied to IN is having a half hidden redstar marking of Russian Airforce, indicating that the aircraft is secondhand one and painted with NAUSENA writtings in hindi. can some body confirm this? Even i could see the half hidden russian redstar on its tail.
 

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VenkatJi the link is not working
 

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Well blue water capability thats still under scanner, cause of the week submarine arm.We cant expect the Arihant to give us full blue water navy capabilities cause its only in its development stage, got long way to go.Also take a look at the missiles it carries k-15 with a range of about 700 km- not sufficient enough.And for the sub launched version of Agni-3 we still have to wait and see.

Heard that Russians are also going to replace their su-33 ac's by Mig-29k.
But their sukhoi's still got life in it,also the reason i have heard that upgrading su-33 is costly and since india will follow up with more mig29k orders,they find it more economic.

Well the later part seems to be little bit difficult to digest, is upgrading the existing ac's economic or buying new ones ?
 

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India cannot build AC with displacment of more than 50,000 tons because firstwe do not have that big dry docks and ship yards plus as the AC gets bigger , it needs better propulsion system ( neuclear proplusion ) that capabilty we have not achieved yet , the AC we are building fits the needs of IN very well ,no need of "frostel " size AC becuse that would an overkill
you are only half true as we are building dry docks capable of 80K tons soon, L&T is building a shipyard in Tamilnadu which is capable of building 80K Navy ships, and submarines too,
at present we dont have such capability , but in near future may be 2-3 yrs we will be having it.
 

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Heard that Russians are also going to replace their su-33 ac's by Mig-29k.
But their sukhoi's still got life in it,also the reason i have heard that upgrading su-33 is costly and since india will follow up with more mig29k orders,they find it more economic.

Well the later part seems to be little bit difficult to digest, is upgrading the existing ac's economic or buying new ones ?
actually the fighters based on AC's have less life due to water corrosion and air corrosion, the air in sea has salt, which destroys the life of aircrafts soon then on land.
 

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even the russians have ordered the mig-29k now things seem to be looking up for mig.
 

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these all orders will help Mig company to get out of its debts.
and can also help for Fund their future projects too.
 

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India eyes follow-on order for naval MiG-29s
By Siva Govindasamy


India could place a follow-up order for more RSK MiG-29K naval fighters after inducting its first four examples in India later this year.
New Delhi took delivery of four aircraft - two MiG-29Ks and two MiG-29KUBs - in February and these were used to train Indian pilots in Russia. The first aircraft is likely to be delivered to the naval base in Goa in November, say industry sources.
These are part of a 2004 order for 12 MiG-29Ks and four MiG-29KUB fighters that was incorporated into a deal for the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov.
The defence ministry is in talks with Russia for the purchase of an additional 29 MiG-29Ks, and this is being considered by an Indian cabinet-level committee, say industry sources.

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The order is likely to be worth around $1.1 billion and fits in with the navy's plan to have a combination of high and medium fighters for its air combat capabilities.
"The navy and defence ministry wanted to wait until the final carrier deck tests had been conducted on the initial aircraft. Officials had been in Russia assessing the MiG-29's performance and they are satisfied that it meets India's requirements," says an industry source.
The MiG-29s will operate in tandem with the naval variant of the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, which is still under development.
The naval Tejas received a boost in September after the Indian navy agreed to order six aircraft to kick-start its development.
The fighters will operate off an indigenous aircraft carrier that is being developed. It is expected that the first naval LCA will enter service in 2014, when the aircraft carrier is also projected to be ready.
A major hurdle will be the selection of an engine. The Aeronautical Development Agency, which is developing the fighter, is evaluating the General Electric F414 and Eurojet EJ200 engines for the air force Tejas aircraft, but the new powerplants are not likely to be available until 2013 at the earliest. That leaves a very short time frame for them to be evaluated for a naval variant, given that the priority is for the air force aircraft, say the sources.
The ADA is also in the process of selecting a Western partner to help with the development of a naval LCA. EADS was picked earlier to help with the certification and flight tests of the air force variants.


India eyes follow-on order for naval MiG-29s
 

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hi sridhar bhai.
whats this count of Mig-29K of 45 planes.
16 for INS Vikramaditya.
9 Mig-29K for each indigenous carriers.
namely INS Vikrant, INS Virat & INS Vishal.
additional N-LCA's for this carriers.
how could they balance them?
 

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these all orders will help Mig company to get out of its debts.
and can also help for Fund their future projects too.
indian establishment is just not sitting to help Mig company to get out of its debts, its high time that we just are about our own without caring about others.
 

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This deal won't go through until the Price negotiations of Vikramaditya finalised.
 

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Novella - Sea Dragon system : IL-38

The Novella anti-submarine and maritime reconnaissance system (export name 'Sea Dragon') was developed by 'Leninets' (San Petersburg) and intended for Tu-142, Ka-27 and Il-38 modernization. The Sea Dragons variants were named 1SD (for A-40 'Albatros' and Tu-204P), 2SD (for Il-38), SD(H) (Ka-27), 4SD (light planes and UAVs). The weight of SD(H) is only 220 kg. The system has magnetic, electro-optical, IR, acoustic, radar and ESM subsystems.
The low-light-level TV and FLIR are installed in a stabilized turret. Two fields of view 2 x 2 and 9 x 12 deg with a tracking rate of up to 20 deg/sec. Other source reports about 5 optic windows. In addition the aircraft has an IR sensor for initial submarine detection based on water surface temperature – something very useful, if the enemy subs have conventional or MESMA propulsion. The TV-FLIR system can track targets detected by the radar too.

In a pod above the cockpit it has a new ELINT with a 2000-signature threat library, searching in 6.5 – 40 GHz diapason. DF accuracy is 0.5 – 3 deg, and frequency measurement accuracy is 1 MHz in 360 deg. Leninets offers 4 alternative coherent klystron radars with different power and range between 15 and 320 km for surface targets and 20 – 90 km for air targets. Il-38 2SD variant has capability for detecting naval targets up to range of radio-horizont, air targets – on 350 km. The helo's SD(H) variant – has 200 km detection range for a destroyer and 60 – for a fighter.
Magnetic sensor is placed in the tail and can detect the magnetic anomaly from the 900 km distance.
Radio-hydro-acoustic system uses passive buoys (RGB-41E, RGB-48E) active (GB-58E) and radio-tech (RTB-93E) buoys.
Each sensor has its own digital processing computer. A central mission control computer units maintain the system tactical picture and help for weapon use. The computer power is 3.3 GOPS. It can track up to 32 targets. It's open-architecture design around 1553B bus with 2 two-operator workstations (Il-38) using BARCO MPRD-132 displays. All displays have access to all sensor output. A third workstation is for a navigator. It has a single large display.
In 2003 Russian Navy has 35 Il-38s with 10 of them in Northern Fleet, 15 – on the Pacific and 5 – in the training centre, Pskov. All of the serving Il-38, Ka-27PL and Tu-142 will be upgraded with Novella's variants.

Il-38 can carry

Total weapon - 5000 kg:

2 Sea Eagle AShMs
Anti-submarine torpedoes AT-1, AT-2 and more advanced
10 depth-charges PLAB-250
8 naval mine AMD-2
Range – 9500 km

Defunct Humanity: Novella - Sea Dragon system. Short review.
 

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