Indian Naval Aviation

[chex3009]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[Anshu Attri]

Indian P-8s To Hunt Subs With CAE MAD

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/01/indian-p-8s-to-hunt-subs-with-cae-mad.html

The Indian Navy's eight P-8I maritime reconnaissance and ASW aircraft will be fitted with Canadian firm CAE's AN/ASQ-508A [.pdf] Advanced Integrated Magnetic Anomaly Detection (MAD) System. [Statement:] CAE has been awarded a subcontract by the Boeing company to provide CAE's AN/ASQ-508A Advanced Integrated Magnetic Anomaly Detection (MAD) System for eight P-8I Poseidon aircraft to be operated by the Indian Navy. The MAD system provides the capability to detect, locate, and confirm subsurface targets by identifying magnetic variations or anomalies, such as those caused by a submarine, in the Earth's magnetic field.

 

[Crusader53]

It will be interesting to see how the Mig-29K compares to the Chinese Su-33/J-15??? At least in the short-term.

 

[Crusader53]

Indian P-8s To Hunt Subs With CAE MAD

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/01/indian-p-8s-to-hunt-subs-with-cae-mad.html

The Indian Navy's eight P-8I maritime reconnaissance and ASW aircraft will be fitted with Canadian firm CAE's AN/ASQ-508A [.pdf] Advanced Integrated Magnetic Anomaly Detection (MAD) System. [Statement:] CAE has been awarded a subcontract by the Boeing company to provide CAE's AN/ASQ-508A Advanced Integrated Magnetic Anomaly Detection (MAD) System for eight P-8I Poseidon aircraft to be operated by the Indian Navy. The MAD system provides the capability to detect, locate, and confirm subsurface targets by identifying magnetic variations or anomalies, such as those caused by a submarine, in the Earth's magnetic field.

Looks small compared to older systems???

 

[Parthy]

Navy to procure nine amphibious aircraft

Amid heightened focus on aerial maritime surveillance, the Navy is planning to induct nine amphibious aircraft to keep a vigil over the Andaman and Nicobar and Lakshadweep islands.

"We would use the amphibious aircraft for carrying out search and rescue missions, inter-island communication, rapid response missions and reconnaissance of islands," a Navy official told media here.

The process to procure the amphibious aircraft, which can take-off and land on either land or water, has already been initiated with the issuing of a global Request for Information (RFI) by the Defence Ministry .

Post 26/11 attacks, the Navy and the Coast Guard have taken various steps to ensure that Pakistan-based terror groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba, or sea pirates don't use the uninhabited islands to launch attacks against India.

The aircraft would also be used for "inter-island ferry for personnel and cargo, long-range search and rescue missions, visual and radar surveillance of coastal areas and island territories," the official said.

The capability of the amphibious aircraft to land on water would also help us to carry out casualty evacuation operations, supply critical spares to units and respond rapidly for humanitarian assistance missions at sea. The Navy wants an aircraft which should have a short take-off capability with a range of at least 800 nautical miles so that they can cover a long range, the official said.

Canadian Bombardier and Russian Beriev are expected to receive the Request for Proposal (RFP), which is expected to be issued by the Navy soon. In the recent past, India has enhanced its focus on increasing aerial vigilance over its huge maritime zone and islands situated there.

In 2009, India signed a deal worth USD 2.1 billion for procuring eight P-8I long range maritime surveillance aircraft and is also planning to procure new medium range aircraft for the Coast Guard for reconnaissance and surveillance.



http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...e-amphibious-aircraft/articleshow/7435622.cms

 

[ace009]

Even if a Naval Version of the PAK-FA was currently being developed. The odds are it would never make your 2020-2022 timeline. As India would be extremely lucky to get it's model (FGFA) of the PAK-FA by that time. Let alone a much modified Naval Variant.

As a matter of fact I wouldn't at all be surprised. If India ever gets a Naval PAK-FA. In my opinion she will likely end up with the F-35C and EMALS from the US for the IAC-2 & 3.

I agree with Crusader53 in this. The Gorsch has Mig29K and will have N-LCA mk2 in the future. IAC 1, 2 and 3 should be prepared for N-LCA mk2 (for defense) and a 5th gen strike fighter like the F-35 JSF. India should get into the JSF program and ask for a second production line to be setup in India (the US Govt has already indicated this is possible). A couple of billion dollars from India and we can jump the queue to get another 5th gen fighter in our kitty. We surely can afford it. We will supply Australia, NZ and other JSF partner countries in the asia-pacific region with the India based production line. As a matter of fact Indian ADA will learn a lot about 5th gen technology which can help with AMCA development.

 

[civfanatic]

I agree with Crusader53 in this. The Gorsch has Mig29K and will have N-LCA mk2 in the future. IAC 1, 2 and 3 should be prepared for N-LCA mk2 (for defense) and a 5th gen strike fighter like the F-35 JSF. India should get into the JSF program and ask for a second production line to be setup in India (the US Govt has already indicated this is possible). A couple of billion dollars from India and we can jump the queue to get another 5th gen fighter in our kitty. We surely can afford it. We will supply Australia, NZ and other JSF partner countries in the asia-pacific region with the India based production line. As a matter of fact Indian ADA will learn a lot about 5th gen technology which can help with AMCA development.

Not going to happen. India already signed the papers for FGFA and is investing billions of dollars. There's absolutely no reason to join the already struggling JSF program.

Even if we don't get a naval FGFA until 2025-2030, it will be better than getting the F-35 by 2020 (which won't happen either, but assume it does). India will share copyright on the FGFA and thus we can produce all its components indigenously, which will be a huge boost for AMCA and other indigenous programs. F-35 would just handicap all those programs.

Read what Mr. Antony said recently about India's acqusition of technology via foreign suppliers.

 

[debasree]

do navy have any plan to go for a long range shore based heavy bomber aircraft like b-52,& do us will give us couple of this machines,please if any member have any information?

 

[chex3009]

do navy have any plan to go for a long range shore based heavy bomber aircraft like b-52,& do us will give us couple of this machines,please if any member have any information?

No one is giving us anything of that sort. First let the navy induct Jet fighters in the numbers they actually require and the maritime reconaissance will play major role in keeping chinese nuke subs at bay while we prepare for INS Vikramiditya and IAC-1.

 

[black eagle]

Northrop Grumman in race for Navy aircraft order

Mahesh Kulkarni / Bangalore

Northrop Grumman Corporation (NGC), the US-based $34.9-billion global security systems and technology provider, is pitching for the Indian Navy's order for surveillance aircraft and high altitude long-range unmanned aerial vehicles.

"The Indian Navy had invited a request for information (RFI) in the middle of last year and we submitted our RFIs to them. We have submitted quotes for E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, airborne early warning and control aircraft. We are now waiting for the RFPs to be issued by the Indian Navy," Northrop Grumman India managing Director, Gyanendra Sharma, said.

Talking to Business Standard, Sharma said that Northrop Grumman has been trying to secure the ministry of defence's orders for its products and technologies over the last four years. When the Navy came out with an RFI for surveillance aircraft last year, Northrop Grumman was one of the contenders, he said. The Navy intends to procure four surveillance aircraft. If Northrop Grumman wins the Navy order, India will be the second country in the world to fly the E-2D Advanced Hawkeye. Currently, only the US Navy uses one such aircraft, which completed its landing aboard the USS Truman (aircraft carrier) and began carrier suitability tests on February 3, 2011.

The Indian Navy is planning to acquire 6-8 medium-range airborne early warning surveillance aircraft and high altitude long-range UAVs. The ministry of defence had floated RFIs for the surveillance aircraft and UAVs. While specifications for the medium-range surveillance aircraft require an operating range of over 350 nautical miles, the requirements for the UAV include a service ceiling above 40,000 feet and endurance of over 25 hours.

The Navy's requirements for surveillance aircraft assumed importance in the wake of the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, in which Pakistan-based terrorists used the sea route to reach Indian soil.

Tom C Trudell, manager, international business development, NGC, said "We have an order from the US Navy for supplying 75 E-2D Advanced Hawkeye aircraft over a period of 12 years. So far, we have delivered five aircraft, of which one has been commissioned and other four are under tests." He also added that apart from India, Northrop Grumman also plans to supply E-2D aircraft to the United Arab Emirates.

The aircraft is capable of scanning a large area, detecting smaller objects and processing information quickly. The aircraft crew will be able to carry out these tasks through improved all-glass cockpits and tactical operator stations. The aircraft has a surveillance range of 300 nautical miles and can detect ships at a distance of 200 miles. However, E-2D would need to have a catapult-equipped aircraft carrier. Currently, the Indian Navy does not have such an aircraft carrier, Trudell noted.


http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/northrop-grumman-in-race-for-navy-aircraft-order/424384/

 

[debasree]

anyone have any idea how many units india will aqure,please post it

 

[black eagle]

NLCA MK2....

 

[black eagle]

IAF deal contenders now eye Navy orders

Some of the contenders for the $10-billion Indian Air Force have already started looking ahead in an effort to gauge the interest of the Indian Navy.

Talking to FE, Paul Hopkins, vice-president, business development, BAE Systems, disclosed that the Naval version of the Eurofighter Typhoon has been offered to the Indian Navy. "We have had a few meetings with the Indian Navy and there is an interest. "

"Ninety-five percent of it will be a common platform, with full capability," said Hopkins. "In India, there was only a request for information and we have sent it."

The Super Hornet F/A-18E/F from Boeing and French Rafale from Dassault are already operational on board US and French carriers, while the MiG-35 could be matched with the MiG-29K model the Indian Navy operates.

"Unlike the aircraft from other companies using catapult launch which requires significant strengthening of the landing gear and airframe, Typhoon could be considered for 'ski-jump' equipped carriers only. In case India acquires a third aircraft carrier then these aircraft can be on board,"explained Hopkins. A navalised Typhoon will be new-built aircraft, fitted with strengthened airframe and landing gear, he said.

According to the company executives, "In case we win the $10-billion 126 MMRCA deal, then India will have the indigenous skills to develop a navalised version," said the company official. Adding, "This is a perfect opportunity for the nation to add aircraft with both land and sea capabilities."

The company is competing with Boeing's F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Aviation SA's Rafale, Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-16, Russia's MiG-35 and Saab AB's Gripen to supply jets to the south Asian country. India is expected to spend about $120 billion in the five years to 2017 to overhaul its armed forces.

http://news.in.msn.com/business/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4912814

 

[Crusader53]

IAF deal contenders now eye Navy orders

Some of the contenders for the $10-billion Indian Air Force have already started looking ahead in an effort to gauge the interest of the Indian Navy.

Talking to FE, Paul Hopkins, vice-president, business development, BAE Systems, disclosed that the Naval version of the Eurofighter Typhoon has been offered to the Indian Navy. "We have had a few meetings with the Indian Navy and there is an interest. "

"Ninety-five percent of it will be a common platform, with full capability," said Hopkins. "In India, there was only a request for information and we have sent it."

The Super Hornet F/A-18E/F from Boeing and French Rafale from Dassault are already operational on board US and French carriers, while the MiG-35 could be matched with the MiG-29K model the Indian Navy operates.

"Unlike the aircraft from other companies using catapult launch which requires significant strengthening of the landing gear and airframe, Typhoon could be considered for 'ski-jump' equipped carriers only. In case India acquires a third aircraft carrier then these aircraft can be on board,"explained Hopkins. A navalised Typhoon will be new-built aircraft, fitted with strengthened airframe and landing gear, he said.

According to the company executives, "In case we win the $10-billion 126 MMRCA deal, then India will have the indigenous skills to develop a navalised version," said the company official. Adding, "This is a perfect opportunity for the nation to add aircraft with both land and sea capabilities."

The company is competing with Boeing's F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Aviation SA's Rafale, Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-16, Russia's MiG-35 and Saab AB's Gripen to supply jets to the south Asian country. India is expected to spend about $120 billion in the five years to 2017 to overhaul its armed forces.

http://news.in.msn.com/business/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4912814

Why would India be at least interested in a Navalized Typhoon. Which, would take hundreds of millions and years to develop. When the Rafale, Super Hornet, and Lightning are currently available now!

 

[JBH22]

Why would India be at least interested in a Navalized Typhoon. Which, would take hundreds of millions and years to develop. When the Rafale, Super Hornet, and Lightning are currently available now!

Because in India we have the habit of re-inventing the wheel

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Why would India be at least interested in a Navalized Typhoon. Which, would take hundreds of millions and years to develop. When the Rafale, Super Hornet, and Lightning are currently available now!

Because in India we have the habit of re-inventing the wheel

Few Months Back IN requested RFI for NAVAL variant of all MRCA contenders, The model of Typhoon is just for that..
They had to show the Idea just like Gipen sea variant..

 

[SHASH2K2]

Saab Targets Maritime Aircraft Sales to India



India's growing international trade, security concerns and increased naval responsibility demand that Indian Navy maintain strict vigil in its area of responsibility (AOR) including but not limited to India Ocean region (IOR). To reach out to area extending from Gulf of Aden to Malacca Strait, Indian Navy requires a large number of aerial surveillance aircrafts. Such platforms are essential not only in times of war but also in times of peace to check nefarious intentions of state and non-state actors.

Till now Indian Navy relied on Tu-142 (NATO reporting name: Bear) and IL-38 (NATO reporting name: May). Venerable long range Tu-142 will be replaced with P-8Is. As of now Indian Navy has ordered 12 P-8Is. Even though P-8I will be a capable platform, vast AOR requires more number of platforms. This number is still not sufficient to provide surveillance capabilities for vast AOR for Indian Navy. To fill this gap, Indian Navy is interested in medium range platforms. To this effect, Indian MoD has sent out RFI to various companies for medium-range maritime reconnaissance (MRMR) program. Saab 2000 Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) has been offered under the same program.

Saab 2000 platform provides with a proven platform with reliable and fuel efficient turboprop engines. Although sensor suite can be customized, the one offered to IN is built around Telephonics RDR-1700B maritime surveillance radar FLIR Systems Star Safire Electro Optical/Infra Red (EO/IR) system. In MPA configuration, Saab 2000 will be able to seat six operators and two pilots. Saab has also offered to integrate RBS-15 Mk.3 with the aircraft to give it a lethal punch.

Indian Coast Guard (ICG) has responsibilities similar to that of the Indian Navy. Although their AOR is smaller than that of Navy's, but given the resources they have right now, it still puts a lot of stress on available platforms. Patrols are carried out by various surface vessels, helicopters and aircrafts. Right now ICG operates Dornier Do-228 aircrafts for patrolling, transport and SAR operations. To augment its current capabilities, ICG has decided to purchase surveillance aircrafts under Mid-Tier Maritime Patrol (MTMP) program.

Saab has made a presentation to the authorities about Saab 340 Maritime Surveillance Aircraft (MSA). Currently Japanese coast guard is one of the operators of this aircraft and it was one of their aircraft that was brought to India for demonstration. Right now Saab is no longer producing Saab 340 aircraft. When asked to comment on this, Saab executives responded that aircraft for ICG will be zero-hour aircrafts. Zero-hour aircraft is an aircraft that has been drastically overhauled to make it as good as new. Saab 340 will feature a sensor suite similar to Saab 2000 aircraft. Weapon integration is also an option on this aircraft.

 

[sandeepdg]

I think Saab 2000 can be a good addition other than the P-8Is for medium range reconnaissance in the IN's fleet. But for ICG, we can go for the similar Embraers that we are buying for the IAF, though the Saab 340 is a also a good option.