Indian Naval Aviation

[anoop_mig25]

isnt harrier tooooooooo old

 

[Tshering22]

^^^ Its a speculation, dude. Not confirmed. When we're getting 45 cutting-edge "better than MKI" (as MiG designers claim) MiG-29Ks for our new carriers, why should we buy an old warhorse that has served his life and is about to die? Harrier was a lethal platform of its days but now it is time it gives way to younger and more modern fighters. IN would never consider getting these oldies any more since MiGs are being delivered faster than planned.

 

[nrj]

isnt harrier tooooooooo old

IN has been considering buying those Harriers sometime back to keep the INS Viraat air-fleet effective as present numbers are just not convincing. But then again few months back it was reported that this plan is dropped. Preset Harrier fleet will remain active till 2023 as per plans, although I personally doubt the complete survivability.

 

[sayareakd]

Mig 29k cannot operate from Virrat, so better we get those Harriers for ship born fighters, till we need INS vikramiditya, BTW price would be factor along with spear parts and weapons.

 

[bengalraider]

What needs to be made clear is that we are not going to be getting the same plane as the sea harrier.
The British have already decommissioned the Sea Harrier in 2006 and no longer have any that could be transferred to us! the planes that are slated to be decommissioned in 2011 are the Harrier Gr9's that were transferred to the RAF in 2006 following the decommissioning of the sea harriers.the GR9 is an evolution of the base Harrier 2 and is genetically much more closer to the harrier AV8B currently being used by the USMC.
The RAF Harriers have no onboard RADAR and are utilized for the ground attack role , however they have a targeting Pod.The USMC harriers have the APG-65 Radar.Other changes are The original aluminium alloy fuselage was replaced by a fuselage which makes extensive use of composites, providing significant weight reduction and increased payload or range. An all-new one-piece wing provides around 14 per cent more area and increased thickness. The UK's version of the Harrier II uses different avionic systems, an additional missile pylon in front of each wing landing gear, and strengthened leading edges of the wings to meet higher bird strike requirements.
The GR7A is the first stage in an upgrade to the Harrier GR9 standard. The GR7A is the GR7 with an uprated Rolls-Royce Pegasus 107 engine. When upgraded to GR9 standard the uprated engine variants will retain the A designation, becoming GR9As. Forty GR7s are due to receive this upgrade (all GR7 aircraft are to be made capable of using the Mk 107 engine when converted to GR9 standard). The Mk 107 engine provides around 3,000 lbf (13 kN) extra thrust than the Mk 105's 21,750 lbf (98 kN) thrust, increasing aircraft performance during "hot and high" and carrier-borne operations.The Harrier GR9 is an avionics and weapons upgrade of the standard GR7. This upgrade, known as the Integrated Weapons Programme (IWP), allows the carriage of the latest smart weapons, new inertial navigation and Global Positioning systems (INS/GPS). The new weapons being integrated are the Brimstone, Maverick, Paveway III LGB and Paveway IV PGB missiles
The aircraft will also be fitted with Sniper targeting pods.

SEA HARRIER(What we already have)

The Harrier Gr9(what may be on offer)

http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/harriergr9.cfm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Harrier_II
http://www.harrier.org.uk/technical/Harrier_GR9.htm

 

[anoop_mig25]

^^^^^ instead of buying plane why not buy its technology it would be a long term investment

 

[Anshu Attri]

BEL's hi-tech coastal survelliance system ready for installation

http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2010/11/fdajb-invited-talk-bels-hi-tech-coastal.html

A high-tech coastal surveillance system that can detect movement up to 20 km. (12.5 mi.) offshore is ready for installation in India.
The system was indigenously developed by Bharat Electronics Ltd. (BEL) and will be used by the Indian coast guard. The entire data link will be networked to a command-and-control center in New Delhi. The Phase 1 order is worth Rs 600 crore ($132.4 million).
"This will be a path-breaking installation for India's security," BEL Director (R&D) I.V. Sarma said Nov. 17 before the Bangalore Defense and Aerospace Journalists Forum. "Civil work is underway to install the radar, electro-optic sensor and command-and-control software."

 

[Patriot]

Boeing Offers F/A 18 Naval Variant for Indian Navy Fighter Jet Requirement

2010-11-24 Boeing India has offered a naval variant of the F/A 18 E/F Super Hornets multi role fighter jet platform to the Indian Navy. The Navy currently has one aircraft carrier (INS Viraat) in service and Russia is expected to deliver INS Vikramaditya by 2012.

India is developing indigenous aircraft carriers and the aim is to have a total of three Aircraft carriers resulting in two fully operational Carrier battle groups and an additional Aircraft carrier eventually in refit making India an operating Blue-water navy.

Dr. Vivek Lall, Vice President, Boeing Defense, Space and Security, India confirmed:

"We have responded to the RFP with our F/A-18 Super Hornet platform. We made a presentation to Navy earlier this year."

-- Dr. Vivek Lall

The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is a twin-engine 4.5 generation carrier-based multi-role fighter aircraft. The F/A-18E single-seat variant and F/A-18F tandem-seat variant are larger and more advanced derivatives of the F/A-18C and D Hornet. The Super Hornet has an internal 20 mm gun and can carry air-to-air missiles and air-to-surface weapons.

Additional fuel can be carried with up to five external fuel tanks and the aircraft can be configured as an airborne tanker by adding a buddy air refuelling system.

The F/A 18's are being operated by the United States Navy -- the Super Hornet achieved initial operating capability (IOC) in September 2001 with the U.S. Navy's VFA-115 squadron at Naval Air Station Lemoore, California.







http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4832

 

[ace009]

I know that INS Vikramadiya and INS Vikrant 1 will be STOBAR carriesr. INS Vikrant 2 is a CATOBAR carrier if possible. What about INS Vikrant 3? Also, what is the status for the carriers? Any news?

 

[Parthy]

I know that INS Vikramadiya and INS Vikrant 1 will be STOBAR carriesr. INS Vikrant 2 is a CATOBAR carrier if possible. What about INS Vikrant 3? Also, what is the status for the carriers? Any news?

If everything is going on track, INS Vikrant-1 should be ready for sea trial early next year.. As for I know, only 2 AC christened as Vikrant class. 3rd AC will be INS Vishaal.. Still details are not clear on 2nd and 3rd AC..

 

[SHASH2K2]

Saab systems for Indian coastal security​

Almost two years after the 26/11 terrorist attacks on Mumbai, Swedish defense company Saab has won a contract to supply a coastal surveillance system for the entire Indian coast.

The contract, awarded by India's Director General of Lighthouses and Lightships (DGLL), is worth 116 million Swedish Kronor, around USD 16 million.

A statement issued by the company said the system comprises sensors to be installed along the Indian coast and equipment for regional and national control centers.

The statement adds that the Indian Navy, Coast Guard and Directorate General of Shipping will also operate the system.

Saab will begin implementing the project, which includes installation, commissioning, training and support, immediately and expects to complete the execution in around 18 months in partnership with India's Elcome Marine Services

The statement quoted Gunilla Fransson, head of Saab´s Security and Defense Solutions unit as saying, "Our systems for monitoring sea traffic have been installed on several of the coasts in the world and also along inland waterways in Europe and in China.

With this order we are strengthening our position further. It is equally satisfying that we now deepen and enhance our relation with India. This project along with the co-operations we already have makes India an important long term market for Saab."
India suffered a systemic failure of coastal security on 26/11, in spite of the large number of agencies and organizations involved in surveillance and law enforcement. Since then, authorities in India have taken several steps to beef up the coastal surveillance and security infrastructure.

 

[Crusader53]

Boeing Offers F/A 18 Naval Variant for Indian Navy Fighter Jet Requirement

2010-11-24 Boeing India has offered a naval variant of the F/A 18 E/F Super Hornets multi role fighter jet platform to the Indian Navy. The Navy currently has one aircraft carrier (INS Viraat) in service and Russia is expected to deliver INS Vikramaditya by 2012.

India is developing indigenous aircraft carriers and the aim is to have a total of three Aircraft carriers resulting in two fully operational Carrier battle groups and an additional Aircraft carrier eventually in refit making India an operating Blue-water navy.

Dr. Vivek Lall, Vice President, Boeing Defense, Space and Security, India confirmed:

"We have responded to the RFP with our F/A-18 Super Hornet platform. We made a presentation to Navy earlier this year."

-- Dr. Vivek Lall

The Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet is a twin-engine 4.5 generation carrier-based multi-role fighter aircraft. The F/A-18E single-seat variant and F/A-18F tandem-seat variant are larger and more advanced derivatives of the F/A-18C and D Hornet. The Super Hornet has an internal 20 mm gun and can carry air-to-air missiles and air-to-surface weapons.

Additional fuel can be carried with up to five external fuel tanks and the aircraft can be configured as an airborne tanker by adding a buddy air refuelling system.

The F/A 18's are being operated by the United States Navy -- the Super Hornet achieved initial operating capability (IOC) in September 2001 with the U.S. Navy's VFA-115 squadron at Naval Air Station Lemoore, California.







http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4832

Well, if India selects the Super Hornet for the MMRCA. A small number more for the Indian Navy would be simple enough. Yet, my guess is the Indian Navy really wants the F-35C. Which, was just selected over the F-35B's to equip the Royal Navy's CVF Class Carriers.

 

[civfanatic]

Well, if India selects the Super Hornet for the MMRCA. A small number more for the Indian Navy would be simple enough. Yet, my guess is the Indian Navy really wants the F-35C. Which, was just selected over the F-35B's to equip the Royal Navy's CVF Class Carriers.

If India selects an American fighter for the MMRCA, there is a chance of IN going for F-35s. Otherwise you can forget about it.

 

[Crusader53]

If India selects an American fighter for the MMRCA, there is a chance of IN going for F-35s. Otherwise you can forget about it.

Why do you say that?

 

[civfanatic]

Why do you say that?

If an American fighter is chosen it means India is willing to accept all the strings that come with purchasing American fighters (end-user agreements, vulnerability to sanctions, CISMOA, etc.)

If F-16IN is chosen as the MMRCA winner (extremely unlikely), there is a good chance of India getting F-35 from Lockheed as well, as soon as it is complete. If F-18 is chosen, the F-35 is still a possibility, but India may opt to have F-18s on the carriers instead, since it is already available.

More likely, however, a European fighter will win the MMRCA, a European fighter (most likely Rafale M) will be chosen to equip IAC-2, and a naval FGFA version will be developed for future Indian carriers (beyond IAC-2).

The European fighters have a better chance than the American fighters because of less strings attached, as good if not superior capabilities, and offers of full ToT/joint development and production.

 

[Crusader53]

If an American fighter is chosen it means India is willing to accept all the strings that come with purchasing American fighters (end-user agreements, vulnerability to sanctions, CISMOA, etc.)

If F-16IN is chosen as the MMRCA winner (extremely unlikely), there is a good chance of India getting F-35 from Lockheed as well, as soon as it is complete. If F-18 is chosen, the F-35 is still a possibility, but India may opt to have F-18s on the carriers instead, since it is already available.

More likely, however, a European fighter will win the MMRCA, a European fighter (most likely Rafale M) will be chosen to equip IAC-2, and a naval FGFA version will be developed for future Indian carriers (beyond IAC-2).

The European fighters have a better chance than the American fighters because of less strings attached, as good if not superior capabilities, and offers of full ToT/joint development and production.

I agree with some of your conclusions. Except the Rafale is not going to the win the MMRCA. Also, I have my doubt about a Naval Verison of the FGFA operating from the IAC-2. Though, its way to early for any real prediction.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Naval Mig-29k develops Hydraulic failure leading to tyre burst

BY: PTI

A Russian-made MiG-29K fighter plane, recently inducted into the Indian Navy, developed a technical problem at INS Hansa base in Goa but caused no casualties, naval officials said today.

Flag officer commanding Goa area (FOGA) Sudhir Pillai said the pilot had to apply emergency brakes on the airstrip when the error occurred, resulting in a tyre burst.

"There was a hydraulic failure of the aircraft because of which the pilot had to apply emergency brakes," Pillai told PTI.

MiG-29K is an all-weather carrier-based multi-role fighter aircraft, which is recently inducted in Indian Navy and based at INS Hansa.

He said no inquiry has been commissioned of the incident as the snag occurred due to 'technical problem'.

"Applying emergency brakes in case of hydraulic failure is a standard operating procedure," Pillai said.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Pic: It was Mig-29KUB NO 672 Twin Seater which suffered Hydraulic Snag

7 DECEMBER, 2010, 2:38 AM

Its was a Naval Twin seater aircraft Mig-29KUB NO 672 which made a smooth touch down after facing Hydraulic Snag which lead to a Tyre burst , Mig-29 made an emergency landing on runway 0826 at Dabolim Airport, which is also Major also stations Major Naval Base INS HANSA .

soon after landing distressed aircraft was attended by Fire tenders and maintenance engineers of Indian Navy ,and soon aircraft was towed back to Hangar for repairs , this emergency landing caused few civilian aircraft's to remain airborne .

Picture is been taken from a local newspaper send to us by a spotter in Goa , and has per his information this particular bird has been seen flying regularly

 

[Anshu Attri]

Work On First Boeing P-8I For Indian Navy Begins

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/12/work-on-first-boeing-p-8i-for-indian.html

The Boeing P-8I team began fabricating the first part for the Indian navy's first long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft on Dec. 6 in Wichita. The P-8I, based on the Boeing Next-Generation 737 commercial airplane, is a variant of the P-8A Poseidon that Boeing is developing for the U.S. Navy.

Employees at Spirit AeroSystems -- where all Boeing Next-Generation 737 fuselages, nacelles and pylons are designed and built -- cut the P-8I's first part, a bonded aluminum panel that later will be installed on the fuselage's upper lobe to support an antenna. The panel and other fuselage components will come together on Spirit's existing Next-Generation 737 production line.

Spirit will ship the P-8I fuselage to a Boeing Commercial Airplanes facility in Renton, Wash., in mid-2011 for final assembly. After that, Boeing Defense, Space & Security employees will install mission systems and complete testing prior to delivery to India.

Boeing will deliver the first of eight P-8I aircraft to India within 48 months of the original contract signing, which took place in January 2009. India is the first international customer for the P-8

 

[civfanatic]

Except the Rafale is not going to the win the MMRCA.

Care to elaborate why? Do American fighters have some super-duper god-mod that no European fighter has?

Also, I have my doubt about a Naval Verison of the FGFA operating from the IAC-2. Though, its way to early for any real prediction.

You're right, it is too early for prediction. It is also too early to say that F-35s will operate from any Indian AC, as the F-35 is not even complete yet, and is years away from induction, let alone export!