Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Fatalis]

The article makes no sense. C-295 is the replacement for An-32 since An-32 cargo limit is 6.5 tons while c-295 is 7.5 tons.

The only other planes that can do 18-30 tons are IL-76 and C-17. IL-76 max cargo is 45 tons while C-17 max is 82 tons.

so they should go for more IL-76 or replace the IL-76 with one type such as C-2 or A400M. If they want 40-80 planes they need to include local production and ToT to ensure supply of spare parts.

As of now, C-295 is seen only as the replacement for Avros but down the line they will also replace the An-32 though not completely one on one basis. The whole fleet of An-32 will be replaced with the mix of C-295 and the new MTA.

Obviously, IL-76 and C-17 can carry 18-30 tons of payload but it will be like under utilising their capacity. That is where this new MTA comes. IAF might be looking for ~45-50 aircrafts.

HAL MTA was supposed to carry a payload of 20 tons but here IAF has given a payload range of 18-30 tons. I feel C-390 is the best option available. But, then again it doesn't matter which aircraft is best but what matters is who is the lowest bidder.

 

[Blademaster]

As of now, C-295 is seen only as the replacement for Avros but down the line they will also replace the An-32 though not completely one on one basis. The whole fleet of An-32 will be replaced with the mix of C-295 and the new MTA.

Obviously, IL-76 and C-17 can carry 18-30 tons of payload but it will be like under utilising their capacity. That is where this new MTA comes. IAF might be looking for ~45-50 aircrafts.

HAL MTA was supposed to carry a payload of 20 tons but here IAF has given a payload range of 18-30 tons. I feel C-390 is the best option available.

It is not about under utilizing capacity. It is about maximizing the tonnage at extreme operating conditions. Remember those planes have to take off in the high altitude. When you have greater capacity, it means more tonnage you can carry. So if you use C-390 versus IL-76/C-2, it means that C-390 cannot carry a full load into the Himalayas only probably half of the payload which comes out to be 15 tons where versus the C-2 plane, it means that C-2 can carry 25 to 28 tons comfortably into the Himalayas and have enough range.

 

[Fatalis]

It is not about under utilizing capacity. It is about maximizing the tonnage at extreme operating conditions. Remember those planes have to take off in the high altitude. When you have greater capacity, it means more tonnage you can carry. So if you use C-390 versus IL-76/C-2, it means that C-390 cannot carry a full load into the Himalayas only probably half of the payload which comes out to be 15 tons where versus the C-2 plane, it means that C-2 can carry 25 to 28 tons comfortably into the Himalayas and have enough range.

IMO, it will only come down to who is the lowest bidder. All the aircrafts are already fulfilling the mentioned criterias.

 

[NutCracker]

IMO, it will only come down to who is the lowest bidder. All the aircrafts are already fulfilling the mentioned criterias.

not true.. Money should not be parameter. C390 might struggle to deliver 25T Light tanks in high terrains. Hope Army's requirements are taken into account otherwise 5 years later there would be R-dRona for "lighter tank" or different cargo plane.

 

[Gyyan]

 

[Gyyan]

 

[WarmongerLSK]

 

[Gyyan]

 

[WarmongerLSK]

What a beautiful pic. Where is that color coming from?

 

[Johny_Baba]

What a beautiful pic. Where is that color coming from?

it's a phenomenon called aerodynamic vapour condensation, google it
rest colour is coming from regular rainbow like refraction-dispersion of light due to very tiny droplets of water

 

[Gyyan]

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian forces seek armed predator drones from US
The Indian armed forces are seeking 18 armed Predator MQ 9A drones from the US, and electronic and spatial intelligence organisation NTRO will soon acquire eight Indian-manufactured medium altitude long endurance (MALE) drones for border surveillance and reconnaissance, according to people aware of the matter.

While Indian Navy already has two General Atomics-manufactured Sea Guardian (MQ 9B) drones for maritime domain awareness on lease from the US, the acquisition of 18 armed drones on a government-to-government basis -- with each of the three services getting six drones -- will be put up before the Modi government at the Combined Commanders Conference at Karwar Naval Base in April, the people said. The conference, which will be addressed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, was shifted from March to April due to logistical requirements.

Though the navy, which is the leading service in armed drone acquisition and deployment, earlier projected the requirement of 30 drones at cost of $3 billion, the number was pruned to 18 after operational analysis, mission requirements, and force projection due diligence by the Chiefs of Staff Committee (COSC).

Incidentally, the Indian Embassy in Washington hosted Neal Blue, chairman, General Atomics, and Dr Vivek Lall, CEO, General Atomics, among other top CEOs at a dinner in honour of US Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo and National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan during NSA Ajit Doval’s visit to the US on February 3-4. It was during this visit that the White House announced a path-breaking high-technology partnership with India.

While India has acquired the capability to build MALE reconnaissance and surveillance drones with the help of Israel in a joint venture in Gujarat, the Indian military needs armed drones since both China and Pakistan have the Wing Loong II armed drones in their arsenals. Also, the lease for the two Sea Guardian drones runs out early next year but will likely be extended given its high-definition imagery, long endurance, and other surveillance capabilities. The Indian Navy also used the Sea Guardian drones and the Boeing P 8 I multi-mission aircraft to scan the entire 3,044km Line of Actual Control with China to understand the military preparations made by the PLA. This has given the Indian military a clear idea of the Chinese army’s plans and capabilities.

Though some national security planners feel the Predator-armed drone is prohibitively expensive, and find US-made manned Boeing P 8I aircraft sufficient for the job, the Indian military wants a mix of both armed and surveillance drones for country-specific missions. The Predator armed drone can fly up to 50,000 feet for up to 24 hours, and carries an option of Hellfire air-to-ground missiles for high-value targets or air-to-air missiles to bring down aerial enemy targets.

Indian forces seek armed predator drones from US

The Indian armed forces are seeking 18 armed Predator MQ 9A drones from the US, and electronic and spatial intelligence organisation NTRO will soon acquire eight Indian-manufactured medium altitude long endurance (MALE) drones for border surveillance and reconnaissance, according to people aware...

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[Gyyan]

Damn

 

[Gyyan]

@jai jaganath @Corvus Splendens @WolfPack86 @WarmongerLSK @Johny_Baba @johnj @NutCracker
Wasn't this supposed to be a trainer...?
This shit is going to give competition to mk2 in terms of features.

 

[Gyyan]

 

[jai jaganath]

@jai jaganath @Corvus Splendens @WolfPack86 @WarmongerLSK @Johny_Baba @johnj @NutCracker
Wasn't this supposed to be a trainer...?
This shit is going to give competition to mk2 in terms of features.

Yes it's a trainer
And this will give a competition to t-50/fa-50
Until now fielding tejas against t-50 for lift competition gave them edge
Let thus beauty fly and try to take some market too
I think they are giving such features for attracting export customers
Let's see where it goes

 

[Blademaster]

@jai jaganath @Corvus Splendens @WolfPack86 @WarmongerLSK @Johny_Baba @johnj @NutCracker
Wasn't this supposed to be a trainer...?
This shit is going to give competition to mk2 in terms of features.

Looks like nothing but a rebadged J-17 or something.

 

[NutCracker]

@jai jaganath @Corvus Splendens @WolfPack86 @WarmongerLSK @Johny_Baba @johnj @NutCracker
Wasn't this supposed to be a trainer...?
This shit is going to give competition to mk2 in terms of features.

I think only 10-20% of ours will be equipped or price will shoot up substantially,

or they are just saying it could be equipped for those countries (like Malaysia deal) searching for Lead-in-trainer jets i.e. primary purpose of training.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

@jai jaganath @Corvus Splendens @WolfPack86 @WarmongerLSK @Johny_Baba @johnj @NutCracker
Wasn't this supposed to be a trainer...?
This shit is going to give competition to mk2 in terms of features.

The Marut lives on. Call it the Marut II. This thing could potentially replace the Jaguar in it's role.

 

[Johny_Baba]

@jai jaganath @Corvus Splendens @WolfPack86 @WarmongerLSK @Johny_Baba @johnj @NutCracker
Wasn't this supposed to be a trainer...?
This shit is going to give competition to mk2 in terms of features.

me rn

all these claims of AESA IRST FBW and what not...but most crucial part is overlooked or uncommented as of now that is engine...without a proper F404 level engine it seems more or less impossible to give it such a massive payload
but i guess 42 denotes engine thrust in KiloNewton then...is it Mig-21's Tumansky on it ?! or derated F404 or F414 ? or we going to put Kaveri on it ?