Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[mist_consecutive]

Interesting, IAF is formulating OCA tactics to be used in tandem with the newest S-400 SAM we acquired from Russia.

 

[bhramos]

 

[mist_consecutive]

IAF budget for acquiring aircraft & engines slashed aggressively. Sad state of affairs This means no follow-up order for Rafale, MRCA, or even Tejas.

GoI still doesn't understand the gravity of the situation. They think we can sit on our asses till ADA delivers Tejas Mk2 in 2028

 

[Gyyan]

IAF budget for acquiring aircraft & engines slashed aggressively. Sad state of affairs This means no follow-up order for Rafale, MRCA, or even Tejas.

GoI still doesn't understand the gravity of the situation. They think we can sit on our asses till ADA delivers Tejas Mk2 in 2028

Tejas mk2 delivered in 2028?
According to hal chief the roll out itself is expected to be in 26....ff 27.
At this rate we aren't going to get any jets in this decade except for mk1A's

 

[silverghost]

Tejas mk2 delivered in 2028?
According to hal chief the roll out itself is expected to be in 26....ff 27.
At this rate we aren't going to get any jets in this decade except for mk1A's

We will do another follow-on order of 36 Rafales in a G-to-G deal.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Immature emotional fanboys blaming IAF leadership and corruption should sniff some reality and realize GoI has been choking this deal since 2014 itself. Illiterate IAS babus want F-22 at the cost of hero cycle, the only thing they will get is a kick on their butt from Pakistan and China.

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Tejas mk2 delivered in 2028?
According to hal chief the roll out itself is expected to be in 26....ff 27.
At this rate we aren't going to get any jets in this decade except for mk1A's

Yeah, just like he said in 2020 that Mk2 will be rolled out the end of 2022? Ffs stop believing con-man PSUs making big promises. ADA can't even make simple drones like Rustom-1 & Tapas which are on the burner for the last 30 years and they still aren't inducted.

We will do another follow-on order of 36 Rafales in a G-to-G deal.

No money this year. Maybe next year, maybe not. Who knows.

 

[jai jaganath]

IAF budget for acquiring aircraft & engines slashed aggressively. Sad state of affairs This means no follow-up order for Rafale, MRCA, or even Tejas.

GoI still doesn't understand the gravity of the situation. They think we can sit on our asses till ADA delivers Tejas Mk2 in 2028

Can u say how
Which part has reduced

 

[mist_consecutive]

Can u say how
Which part has reduced

LoL, care to explain how the number Rs.571,370,000,000 is lesser than Rs.537,490,000,000.
Or this is some kind of new Mathematics which others aren't able to make sense of??

Budget allocated for Aircraft & Aeroengine - IAF

Budget for 2022-23 - 18966.18 Cr
Budget for 2023-24 - 15721.65 Cr

We signed a deal for 36 Rafale in 2016 for 69602.52 Cr, now let's say we divide the payment over 6 years in which all 36 Rafale were delivered (2016-2022), that gets 69602.52 Cr / 6 = 11600.42 Cr per year.

Now, this year's budget is 15721.65 - 11600.42 = 4121.23 Cr.
In 2022-23 we spent 23713.03 Cr (in aircraft & aeroengines)
In 2021-22, we spent 29930.29 Cr (in aircraft & aeroengines)

Since you are literally Ramanujan reincarnated, I will leave the interpretation of these numbers to you.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Don't forget Warrior and Ghatak also needs to fly.

 

[maximus777]

IAF budget for acquiring aircraft & engines slashed aggressively. Sad state of affairs This means no follow-up order for Rafale, MRCA, or even Tejas.

GoI still doesn't understand the gravity of the situation. They think we can sit on our asses till ADA delivers Tejas Mk2 in 2028

 

[Gyyan]

Russia to counter pitch its own ” Super Sukhoi” Upgrade Program to India – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[johnj]

Russia to counter pitch its own ” Super Sukhoi” Upgrade Program to India – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Who is Raunak Kunde ?
All the idrw article posted were wrote/source by Raunak Kunde.

 

[Narasimh]

 

[Love Charger]

IAF budget for acquiring aircraft & engines slashed aggressively. Sad state of affairs This means no follow-up order for Rafale, MRCA, or even Tejas.

GoI still doesn't understand the gravity of the situation. They think we can sit on our asses till ADA delivers Tejas Mk2 in 2028

Not feasible
Absolutely not feasible
Sala paisa hi nai jo hai wo pehle IAF kharch ne nai kharch kiya.
They were foolish to retire mig 27 Bahadur's , bring them back damn it .
Atleast it will destroy something before going down.

 

[Fatalis]

 

[Javelin_Sam]

Budget allocated for Aircraft & Aeroengine - IAF

Budget for 2022-23 - 18966.18 Cr
Budget for 2023-24 - 15721.65 Cr

We signed a deal for 36 Rafale in 2016 for 69602.52 Cr, now let's say we divide the payment over 6 years in which all 36 Rafale were delivered (2016-2022), that gets 69602.52 Cr / 6 = 11600.42 Cr per year.

Now, this year's budget is 15721.65 - 11600.42 = 4121.23 Cr.
In 2022-23 we spent 23713.03 Cr (in aircraft & aeroengines)
In 2021-22, we spent 29930.29 Cr (in aircraft & aeroengines)

Since you are literally Ramanujan reincarnated, I will leave the interpretation of these numbers to you.

No big deals are planned this year. Rafales will come only after the Lok Sabha elections in 2024. Around 54 + 26 Rafale G2G will be political bloodbath. Sukhoi upgrades can happen only after desi Uttam mk3 and other avionics are developed and flight tested.

 

[MirageBlue]

Who is Raunak Kunde ?
All the idrw article posted were wrote/source by Raunak Kunde.

He is the primary source for all IDRW posts. IDRW was renowned for being a site that plagiarised content from forums such as Bharat Rakshak. Twitter is another place where chatter is picked up and passed off as fact.

For me, if IDRW is the only one reporting something, it's best ignored.

 

[WolfPack86]

IAF to procure new transport aircraft to replace AN-32
In addition to the AN-32s and AVROs, the transport fleet of the IAF consists of the IL-76 heavy transports and IL-78 mid-air refuelling tankers from Russia, 12 C-130J Super Hercules and 11 C-17 Globemaster strategic airlift aircraft from the U.S

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has initiated the process to find a replacement for the AN-32 transport aircraft in service. It has issued a Request For Information (RFI) for the procurement of a Medium Transport Aircraft (MTA) with a carrying capacity of 18 to 30 tonnes.

The RFI was issued on December 9, 2022, and the earlier bid submission date of February 3 has now been extended till March 31.

The overall time frame of production, delivery with stage wise breakup of the entire project post conclusion of contract is required to be submitted. It is envisaged to commence deliveries of platform within 36 months of signing of Contract,” the RFI said. The vendors are to provide Rough Order of Magnitude (ROM) cost of aircraft and associated equipment among others for a batch of 40 aircraft/60 aircraft/80 aircraft, respectively, it stated.

In the past, several IAF officials had stated that the just C-295MW, 56 of which have been just contracted, which falls in similar category as the AN-32 in terms of cargo carrying capacity would be considered as a potential replacement for the AN-32 given that a running assembly line would be available once the 56 aircraft are delivered. However, based on load carrying capacity specified in the RFI, 18 to 30 tonnes, the C-295 no longer fits the bracket as it is in the 5-10 tonnes category. Essentially, the IAF is looking to replace the AN-32s with an aircraft of higher carrying capacity, sources stated.

An earlier project to jointly co-develop and produce a MTA of 20 tonnes with Russia to replace the AN-32s was scrapped few years back after initial design discussions.

The IAF operates around 100 AN-32s which are the work horse of the force and they all been upgraded recently under a $400-million deal signed with Ukraine in 2009. Some of them were upgraded in Ukraine a decade ago to improve avionics and increase engine lifespan, while several others are being upgraded at an IAF repair facility in Kanpur.

In September last year, the Defence Ministry signed a 21.935 Crore contract with Airbus and Space S.A., Spain for procurement of 56 C-295MW transport aircraft to replace the Avro aircraft in service with the IAF which it is executing in partnership with Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL). An Airbus-TASL joint venture will assemble the C-295s at a manufacturing facility being set up in Vadodara, Gujarat.


In addition to the AN-32s and AVROs, the transport fleet of the IAF consists of the IL-76 heavy transports and IL-78 mid-air refuelling tankers from Russia, 12 C-130J Super Hercules and 11 C-17 Globemaster strategic airlift aircraft from the U.S.

Under Make in India
The RFI has asked aircraft manufacturers to indicate the scope of work related to MTA, which would be undertaken under Make in India under appropriate category with estimate of indigenous content mandatorily.

Also state the capability to undertake indigenous manufacture of systems, subsystems, components, consumables, spares, ammunition and materials of the main equipment and platform in India, either through its own subsidiary or in a Joint Venture and the time period for developing infrastructure for manufacture.

“Methods to enhance indigenisation and to setup dedicated manufacturing line, including design, integration and manufacturing processes in India, either through its own subsidiary or in a joint venture,” the RFI said. Capability of Indian vendors to indigenously design and develop the required equipment along with level of indigenisation including use of indigenous military material, delivery capability, maintenance support and Life Cycle Support is also to be specified.

The vendors should also consider making India, a regional or global hub for manufacturing and Maintenance, Repair & Overhaul (MRO) of the equipment. Among other details requires, the RFI added that vendors are also to specify capability to provide maintenance infrastructure, and to set up an ecosystem of indigenous vendors and manufacturers for sustenance of the platform and also indicate feasibility of using indigenous military materials and raw materials already being manufactured in the country.

IAF to procure new transport aircraft to replace AN-32

In addition to the AN-32s and AVROs, the transport fleet of the IAF consists of the IL-76 heavy transports and IL-78 mid-air refuelling tankers from Russia, 12 C-130J Super Hercules and 11 C-17 Globemaster strategic airlift aircraft from the U.S

www.thehindu.com

 

[Blademaster]

IAF to procure new transport aircraft to replace AN-32
In addition to the AN-32s and AVROs, the transport fleet of the IAF consists of the IL-76 heavy transports and IL-78 mid-air refuelling tankers from Russia, 12 C-130J Super Hercules and 11 C-17 Globemaster strategic airlift aircraft from the U.S

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has initiated the process to find a replacement for the AN-32 transport aircraft in service. It has issued a Request For Information (RFI) for the procurement of a Medium Transport Aircraft (MTA) with a carrying capacity of 18 to 30 tonnes.

The RFI was issued on December 9, 2022, and the earlier bid submission date of February 3 has now been extended till March 31.

The overall time frame of production, delivery with stage wise breakup of the entire project post conclusion of contract is required to be submitted. It is envisaged to commence deliveries of platform within 36 months of signing of Contract,” the RFI said. The vendors are to provide Rough Order of Magnitude (ROM) cost of aircraft and associated equipment among others for a batch of 40 aircraft/60 aircraft/80 aircraft, respectively, it stated.

In the past, several IAF officials had stated that the just C-295MW, 56 of which have been just contracted, which falls in similar category as the AN-32 in terms of cargo carrying capacity would be considered as a potential replacement for the AN-32 given that a running assembly line would be available once the 56 aircraft are delivered. However, based on load carrying capacity specified in the RFI, 18 to 30 tonnes, the C-295 no longer fits the bracket as it is in the 5-10 tonnes category. Essentially, the IAF is looking to replace the AN-32s with an aircraft of higher carrying capacity, sources stated.

An earlier project to jointly co-develop and produce a MTA of 20 tonnes with Russia to replace the AN-32s was scrapped few years back after initial design discussions.

The IAF operates around 100 AN-32s which are the work horse of the force and they all been upgraded recently under a $400-million deal signed with Ukraine in 2009. Some of them were upgraded in Ukraine a decade ago to improve avionics and increase engine lifespan, while several others are being upgraded at an IAF repair facility in Kanpur.

In September last year, the Defence Ministry signed a 21.935 Crore contract with Airbus and Space S.A., Spain for procurement of 56 C-295MW transport aircraft to replace the Avro aircraft in service with the IAF which it is executing in partnership with Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL). An Airbus-TASL joint venture will assemble the C-295s at a manufacturing facility being set up in Vadodara, Gujarat.


In addition to the AN-32s and AVROs, the transport fleet of the IAF consists of the IL-76 heavy transports and IL-78 mid-air refuelling tankers from Russia, 12 C-130J Super Hercules and 11 C-17 Globemaster strategic airlift aircraft from the U.S.

Under Make in India
The RFI has asked aircraft manufacturers to indicate the scope of work related to MTA, which would be undertaken under Make in India under appropriate category with estimate of indigenous content mandatorily.

Also state the capability to undertake indigenous manufacture of systems, subsystems, components, consumables, spares, ammunition and materials of the main equipment and platform in India, either through its own subsidiary or in a Joint Venture and the time period for developing infrastructure for manufacture.

“Methods to enhance indigenisation and to setup dedicated manufacturing line, including design, integration and manufacturing processes in India, either through its own subsidiary or in a joint venture,” the RFI said. Capability of Indian vendors to indigenously design and develop the required equipment along with level of indigenisation including use of indigenous military material, delivery capability, maintenance support and Life Cycle Support is also to be specified.

The vendors should also consider making India, a regional or global hub for manufacturing and Maintenance, Repair & Overhaul (MRO) of the equipment. Among other details requires, the RFI added that vendors are also to specify capability to provide maintenance infrastructure, and to set up an ecosystem of indigenous vendors and manufacturers for sustenance of the platform and also indicate feasibility of using indigenous military materials and raw materials already being manufactured in the country.

IAF to procure new transport aircraft to replace AN-32

In addition to the AN-32s and AVROs, the transport fleet of the IAF consists of the IL-76 heavy transports and IL-78 mid-air refuelling tankers from Russia, 12 C-130J Super Hercules and 11 C-17 Globemaster strategic airlift aircraft from the U.S

www.thehindu.com

The article makes no sense. C-295 is the replacement for An-32 since An-32 cargo limit is 6.5 tons while c-295 is 7.5 tons.

The only other planes that can do 18-30 tons are IL-76 and C-17. IL-76 max cargo is 45 tons while C-17 max is 82 tons.

so they should go for more IL-76 or replace the IL-76 with one type such as C-2 or A400M. If they want 40-80 planes they need to include local production and ToT to ensure supply of spare parts.

 

[NutCracker]

The article makes no sense. C-295 is the replacement for An-32 since An-32 cargo limit is 6.5 tons while c-295 is 7.5 tons.

The only other planes that can do 18-30 tons are IL-76 and C-17. IL-76 max cargo is 45 tons while C-17 max is 82 tons.

so they should go for more IL-76 or replace the IL-76 with one type such as C-2 or A400M. If they want 40-80 planes they need to include local production and ToT to ensure supply of spare parts.

C2 is better option considering it's high altitude capabilities. It can be turned into Awacs unlike prop powered A400M.