Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Vijyes]

While no official request has been received from India and the F-35 has not been formally put on offer by the US, the aircraft could be pitched as the only air platform that will be equipped and upgraded to beat the S-400 air defence systems that have also been acquired by China.

This is key. No official word but just media speculation. Media is there to give news, not speculate.

Like Turkey, India has stood strong on its purchase of the S-400 but it is learnt that only partial payments have been made by New Delhi, given banking sanctions that are already in place for dealing with Russian defence entities. More stringent CAATSA (Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act) sanctions have also been threatened against nations purchasing the S-400 from Russia.

It is USA who is pressing India to buy its weapons. US is even threatening tax on Indian exports to USA if India does not alleviate trade surplus with USA.

If USA imposed CAATSA, then USA will be hitting the hammer on its own foot. CAATSA will mean that USA will be restricted from selling weapons to India. Since India doesn't want USA weapons at all but USA is forcing India to buy them to alleviate trade surplus, CAATSA will be beneficial to India.

Simply put, USA will be compelled to give waivers to India for its own benefit

 

[patriots]

This is key. No official word but just media speculation. Media is there to give news, not speculate.


It is USA who is pressing India to buy its weapons. US is even threatening tax on Indian exports to USA if India does not alleviate trade surplus with USA.

If USA imposed CAATSA, then USA will be hitting the hammer on its own foot. CAATSA will mean that USA will be restricted from selling weapons to India. Since India doesn't want USA weapons at all but USA is forcing India to buy them to alleviate trade surplus, CAATSA will be beneficial to India.

Simply put, USA will be compelled to give waivers to India for its own benefit

Will caatsa affect our existing usa platform s......like apache...chinhook....
Or gef404..and gef414 engine of tejas

 

[rone]

Will caatsa affect our existing usa platform s......like apache...chinhook....
Or gef404..and gef414 engine of tejas

If sanctions put in to effect Kaveri with m88 core or m88 will power LCA also there is lot more to loose for US if they put India in sanctions, US need India more than India need US ,if India side with Russia or take neutral stand on south China issie US will screw up big time

If my calculations are correct India go for f35 after couple of year's also the s400 we getting will be monkey version, Russians not that fool they know Indians allowed us personal in russian nuclear sub so they won't take risk agin

 

[IndianHawk]

Will caatsa affect our existing usa platform s......like apache...chinhook....
Or gef404..and gef414 engine of tejas

Sanctions on ge engine will delay lca / mwf program but in the long run it will be best thing for Indian defense as this will govt to seriously fund Kaveri and it's variant on emergency scale with billion dollars and more .
It will also end any future USA defense export which will provide great opportunity for indegenios defense.

Delay in lca / mwf can be dealt with offering more rafale and su30 but developing Indian engine will be true pathbraking for self sufficiency.

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[IndianHawk]

They want to secure future market of f35 in India.
If India buys s400 then they can't sell f35 in future. If they can't sell f35 in future then they can't derail / scuttle AMCA and if they can't scuttle AMCA then Indian airpower will become completely indegenios within two decades.

It's a long con.

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[Vijyes]

Will caatsa affect our existing usa platform s......like apache...chinhook....
Or gef404..and gef414 engine of tejas

CAATSA will affect F414. F404 is not a problem as we already have sufficient stock of it for 100 planes. F414 is there is limited quantity and needed for prototype of AMCA & MWF. This will likely be done using alternative engines with 1 year delay. But it will be done regardless.

 

[DG7867]

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...spice-bombs-used-in-balakot-airstrikes/432445

100 spice 2000 bombs ordered . Bunker buster version to create more visible havoc .

These were ordered under emergency purchase arrangement. A lot of weapon purchases seems to be undertaken with this arrangement nowadays. While it's great that services are able to bypass those pesky MoD bureaucrats, I hope it doesn't compromise compatibility of weapons and weapon systems.

 

[Vijyes]

100 spice bomb for 300 crore is a bit excessive. 3 crore per bomb makes each bomb worth $400,000 which is extortion considering that Spice bomb is merely an PGM without any propellant or rocket thrust.

Comparable system JDAM of USA costs $25000 foe the kit and the additional dumb bomb is much cheaper. So, the cost of SPICE at $4 lakh dollar is mich more expensive

These were ordered under emergency purchase arrangement. A lot of weapon purchases seems to be undertaken with this arrangement nowadays. While it's great that services are able to bypass those pesky MoD bureaucrats, I hope it doesn't compromise compatibility of weapons and weapon systems.

 

[ezsasa]

100 spice bomb for 300 crore is a bit excessive. 3 crore per bomb makes each bomb worth $400,000 which is extortion considering that Spice bomb is merely an PGM without any propellant or rocket thrust.

You know of any desi PGMs which can go up and dive down on top of the target(inverted U), all this without any booster assists?

I am not even talking about infrared target identification.

 

[Vijyes]

You know of any desi PGMs which can go up and dive down on top of the target(inverted U), all this without any booster assists?

I am not even talking about infrared target identification.

Spice doesn't go up and then go down. If the plane unhooks it while moving in upward trajectory, it may go up till the momentum lasts and then fall back. But this ie not something extraordinary. As I mentioned there is also JDAM of USA costing $30000 to $40000, which is similar to SPICE.

India also has glide bombs. I don't have reason to say that they don't have such simple glide ability. Do you have reason to say Indian glide bomb don't work as well as SPICE?

 

[ezsasa]

Spice doesn't go up and then go down. If the plane unhooks it while moving in upward trajectory, it may go up till the momentum lasts and then fall back. But this ie not something extraordinary. As I mentioned there is also JDAM of USA costing $30000 to $40000, which is similar to SPICE.

India also has glide bombs. I don't have reason to say that they don't have such simple glide ability. Do you have reason to say Indian glide bomb don't work as well as SPICE?

JDAM has inertial navigation , JDAM tech has already been demonstrated by DRDO last month.

SPICE comes with target acquisition thru image mapping.

For now I don’t think India has equivalent tech in operational configuration. The funda of supply demand applies here, the day India has a similar tech Israelis will drop the price of SPICE dramatically...

More over these are small orders, nothing to be alarmed about.

 

[Vijyes]

JDAM has inertial navigation , JDAM tech has already been demonstrated by DRDO last month.

SPICE comes with target acquisition thru image mapping.

For now I don’t think India has equivalent tech in operational configuration. The funda of supply demand applies here, the day India has a similar tech Israelis will drop the price of SPICE dramatically...

More over these are small orders, nothing to be alarmed about.

True. GBU-15 of USA is similar in Technology and costs $250,000. So, yes, I guess, SPICE has that high a cost.

Moreover these bombs are only needed for extremely precise operations and require extensive reconnaissance and surveillance from satellite for targeting. This may not be a very good bomb for mass manufacturing as it is not possible to do such extensive mapping and imaging for each target during major wars.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

AN32 lost in arunachal was shot down ?
Any clarification on this ?

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[sthf]

AN32 lost in arunachal was shot down ?
Any clarification on this ?

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My sources are saying that a space based laser was used by the Bhutanese.

What do you think?

 

[Anikastha]

My sources are saying that a space based laser was used by the Bhutanese.

What do you think?

bhutanese? ...it would make sense if use by chinese...no way...

 

[sthf]

bhutanese? ...it would make sense if use by chinese...no way...

Apparently India is very angry that Bhutan took all the electricity out of the water and registered a secret protest during Modi 2.0 swearing ceremony.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

My sources are saying that a space based laser was used by the Bhutanese.

What do you think?

So nothing was shot down. It was an accident. Get it.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

bhutanese? ...it would make sense if use by chinese...no way...

Mate read his words carefully, bhutanese an ally, really poor country, using its non existing space asset, that too for offensive use space asset to take down Indian Aircraft during peace time.

It was a satire.

 

[WolfPack86]

Wiser after Balakot, India orders missiles worth $700 million from Russia
Order includes close to 300 short-range air-to-air missiles, the R-73, and 400 medium-range air-to-air guided missiles, the RVV-AE.


New Delhi: After the Balakot strike and the dogfight with the Pakistani air force in February, India is looking to increase its stockpile of missiles with the Modi government ordering weaponry worth about $700 million for the Indian Air Force from Russia.

These include air-to-air missiles with an extended range as well air-to-surface missiles, ThePrint has learnt.

Highly placed sources said close to 300 short-range air-to-air missiles, the R-73, and 400 medium-range air-to-air guided missiles, the RVV-AE, also known as the R-77, have been ordered.

The R-77 is the Russian counterpart to the US medium-range AIM-120 AMRAAM missile. The American make was unsuccessfully used by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) to target Indian Su-30 MKIs on 27 February, a day after the IAF strikes on Balakot.

These missiles are designed to arm the Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi aircraft.

The order, meant to boost the IAF’s capability, also includes a radar-busting missile, the X-31, said the sources.

Sources said Russia has also offered to help India for future orders with missiles with ranges longer than the ones it currently possesses.

According to Russian Tactical Missiles Corporation, the developer and producer of most of the Russian air-to-air missiles, the R-73’s range is 30 km. The range of its latest version, the RVV-MD, is 40 km.

It’s the same case with the R-77, which can hit targets at a distance of up to 80 km, while its latest version, the RVV-SD, can go up to 110 km.

Russia is currently offering its partners globally the short-range air-to-air RVV-MD missiles, medium-range air-to-air RVV-SD missiles, long-range air-to-air RVV-BD missiles, and medium-range air-to-air RVV-AE (R-77) missiles.

Integrating other missiles — for instance, the Israeli Derby air-to-air missiles — with the Su-30 will require permission from Russia, said the sources.

“Russia and India can jointly implement the programme of modernisation of the IAF’s air-to-air missiles. All the requirements of the Air Force can be discussed and met. The work could start as soon as possible once the formal request is made,” added the sources.
https://theprint.in/defence/wiser-a...issiles-worth-700-million-from-russia/249553/

 

[Tanmay]

Rafael Litening + SAR pod advertisement on Sukhoi. Uploaded two days back. Emphasis also on 'clouded conditions'