Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[SUPERPOWER]

Ya'll Nibbiars

Our Prachand has to much of Glasss...

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

 

[ChandraSingh]

Really? Pre-owned aircrafts for IAF?

 

[NutCracker]

Really? Pre-owned aircrafts for IAF? View attachment 258984

Not just airframe but engine and armaments included. Need to bring it down to 35M/280cr pop though negotiations.

 

[MirageBlue]

Really? Pre-owned aircrafts for IAF? View attachment 258984

Why is that so surprising?

These 12 Qatari Mirage-2000-5 EDA/DDAs were first offered to India in 2003, evaluated and found them "as good as brand new" back then!

Back then it was thought that even Pakistan was interested in them since they were negotiating with France for 40 odd Mirage-2000-5s. India then made an offer, but it was considered to be too low for Qatar.

Even Dassault got involved and offered to buy these 12 Mirage-2000-5 EDA/DDAs from Qatar and then re-sell it back to India to act as the first 12 Mirage-2000-5s while it setup the assembly line for 126 Mirage-2000-5s in India.

None of that happened thanks to the bloody Tehelka "scam" and politicians got too scared to sign off on big ticket deals. Then this requirement led to MRCA and then it's history is well known.

This price is inflated and the IAF will not be able to convince the MoD to go for them at such a high price. Even in 2003/2004 when the original offer to sell the Qatari Mirage-2000s was made, India only was willing to pay around $350 million or so. That too when the Mirages had nearly 90% of their service life intact!

 

[WolfPack86]

India's Potential Interest in Russia's Su-57 Fighter Jet

 

[Spitfire9]

Russia is struggling to make Su-57 in any numbers, isn't it? If India cannot find out why and see a way to fix the problems, it is not a good idea to go for it as a bridge to AMCA deliveries, is it? Su-75 seems not to be progressing either. Rafale is sold out for years. What would actually bridge the gap? F-15? Eurofighter?

 

[NutCracker]

Russia is struggling to make Su-57 in any numbers, isn't it? If India cannot find out why and see a way to fix the problems, it is not a good idea to go for it as a bridge to AMCA deliveries, is it? Su-75 seems not to be progressing either. Rafale is sold out for years. What would actually bridge the gap? F-15? Eurofighter?

Mirage 2000 , Mig29 and Su-30 mki getting Indian GaN AESA radar and EW suite- superSukhoi upgrade. M2K and Mig29 for western front, superSukhoi on eastern front.
Tejas mk1A delivery should've been started , but alas! . None the less order of 36 Rafales from new proposed 12 increased capacity from Dassault.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian Defence News:Su-57E /FGFA को लेके होगी बड़ी बातचीत ,Brazil wants Akash SAM,Rafale local MRO

 

[MirageBlue]

Russia is struggling to make Su-57 in any numbers, isn't it? If India cannot find out why and see a way to fix the problems, it is not a good idea to go for it as a bridge to AMCA deliveries, is it? Su-75 seems not to be progressing either. Rafale is sold out for years. What would actually bridge the gap? F-15? Eurofighter?

It won't happen. This is just some analysts' wet dream. The IAF will not sabotage it's own MRFA requirement with any Su-57E off the shelf purchase.

Nobody knows the difference between the Su-30MKI, (which took several years before the final definitive version entered service), and the Rafale (which entered into operational service within 1 week of first landing in India in Ladakh sector) better than the IAF.

Buying any off the shelf Russian fighter will mean years of tinkering around, fixing defects, brochure specs not being met, et. We've seen that with Su-30MKI, MiG-29K and all of the earlier Soviet fighters as well.

Rafale being built in India is the only real solution.

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

France is offering 0 technology transfer for Rafale.

 

[NutCracker]

I would say just dump the overpriced Rafales. It wasn't feasible to go after a 200M pop jet even with Indian mfg facility. Just go full throttle with Super Sukhoi and Mig29 AESA upgrade program. We will not be getting anything substantial out of the deal from the leech like Dassault. We know how deceptive Dassault has been with the offset clause of previous deal.

 

[Blademaster]

The frenchies are not to be trusted. The only thing you can trust about them is their greed and their willingness to betray you for a higher amount. They are not honorable people.

 

[prateikf]

The frenchies are not to be trusted. The only thing you can trust about them is their greed and their willingness to betray you for a higher amount. They are not honorable people.

The Russians are closely allied and dependent on China and have betrayed their CSTO ally Armenia to the Turks thereby losing Karabakh, the Americans have an unpredictable foreign policy, the Israeli’s will gladly deal with anyone who pays them, the Germans can’t be trusted due to their adherence to human rights. I think we don’t have a choice but to go with the French. At least the French promised us not to supply weaponry to Pak or upgrade their existing weapons. The French also didn’t sanction us during the nuclear test and offered us military aid during the galwan clash. The French are even arming Greece, Cyprus and Armenia against the Turks.

 

[MirageBlue]

Indian Defence News:Su-57E /FGFA को लेके होगी बड़ी बातचीत ,Brazil wants Akash SAM,Rafale local MRO

Load of rubbish. There is not a single official mention of the Su-57E and these clowns are talking as if it's a done deal.

Brazil is contemplating including the Akash (NG?) SAM as part of it's efforts to acquire a new medium range SAM. That doesn't mean "it wants" Akash SAM.

These guys are totally into clickbait titles. Most are misleading.

 

[MirageBlue]

The frenchies are not to be trusted. The only thing you can trust about them is their greed and their willingness to betray you for a higher amount. They are not honorable people.

Name one time they betrayed us after having assured us of their support or when they have left us high and dry.

 

[prateikf]

Name one time they betrayed us after having assured us of their support or when they have left us high and dry.

To be honest they are among our oldest allies. French supplied artillery to both the Marathas and Tipu which were even used by the Marathas at Panipat in 1761. Ibrahim Khan Gardi was trained under the French General De Bussy. Later on too French officers served under the Scindia of Gwalior making his army to a formidable force giving Wellesley his most difficult battle at Assaye. French arms, weapons, officers and military tactics have been used in India for nearly 300 years.

 

[SKC]

To be honest they are among our oldest allies. French supplied artillery to both the Marathas and Tipu which were even used by the Marathas at Panipat in 1761. Ibrahim Khan Gardi was trained under the French General De Bussy. Later on too French officers served under the Scindia of Gwalior making his army to a formidable force giving Wellesley his most difficult battle at Assaye. French arms, weapons, officers and military tactics have been used in India for nearly 300 years.

French were supplying weapons pretty much to everyone round the world during that time. Specially to clans/rivals to British in many countries.

In 16-17th century they were arming shogunates loyal to throne. British had to side with rival clans which beat up loyalist in Boshin war.

 

[Blademaster]

The Russians are closely allied and dependent on China and have betrayed their CSTO ally Armenia to the Turks thereby losing Karabakh, the Americans have an unpredictable foreign policy, the Israeli’s will gladly deal with anyone who pays them, the Germans can’t be trusted due to their adherence to human rights. I think we don’t have a choice but to go with the French. At least the French promised us not to supply weaponry to Pak or upgrade their existing weapons. The French also didn’t sanction us during the nuclear test and offered us military aid during the galwan clash. The French are even arming Greece, Cyprus and Armenia against the Turks.

as I said the only thing you can trust about them is their greed. It was our money they wanted and didn’t care about principles. They supplied us spares and parts because they want to continue to bilk us longer. We are their best customers and they want to keep it that way.

 

[JBH22]

The Russians are closely allied and dependent on China and have betrayed their CSTO ally Armenia to the Turks thereby losing Karabakh, the Americans have an unpredictable foreign policy, the Israeli’s will gladly deal with anyone who pays them, the Germans can’t be trusted due to their adherence to human rights. I think we don’t have a choice but to go with the French. At least the French promised us not to supply weaponry to Pak or upgrade their existing weapons. The French also didn’t sanction us during the nuclear test and offered us military aid during the galwan clash. The French are even arming Greece, Cyprus and Armenia against the Turks.

Armenia showed them middle finger first