India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[Zebra]

@Zebra -it's not just the aircraft it's also the SAM, as of now there is nothing in the entire western hemisphere that comes close to a S 400.

Indian budget is limited, only Russian SAM for this moment.

 

[gadeshi]

Indian budget is limited, only Russian SAM for this moment.

No other SAM has S-400 abilities even close. And at the same time it's several times cheaper than western ones. So what's the problem ?

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[bengalraider]

Indian budget is limited, only Russian SAM for this moment.

It's still far larger than most western militaries.

 

[Zebra]

No other SAM has S-400 abilities even close. And at the same time it's several times cheaper than western ones. So what's the problem ?
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Sir I just said.....................

only Russian SAM for this moment

The reason is......... as you also said, check the red color part in your own post.

 

[uoftotaku]

See the double game being played here

http://www.armyrecognition.com/octo...efense_missile_systems_to_china_12710154.html

India buys PAK-FA ..China given S-400...India wants S-400 also...China will get who knows what next

 

[Zebra]

See the double game being played here

http://www.armyrecognition.com/octo...efense_missile_systems_to_china_12710154.html

India buys PAK-FA ..China given S-400...India wants S-400 also...China will get who knows what next

Sir, hindi chini bhai bhai.

Let China get PAK-FA.

We are happy with our S-400.

 

[Dash]

See the double game being played here

http://www.armyrecognition.com/octo...efense_missile_systems_to_china_12710154.html

India buys PAK-FA ..China given S-400...India wants S-400 also...China will get who knows what next

PAKFA is getting made with Indian money. Wont that be a major factor when it comes to sales of the jet? and why we will we even agree? and we know that China rejected PAKFA design and persued their own, why they would be even interested?

 

[gadeshi]

PAKFA is getting made with Indian money. Wont that be a major factor when it comes to sales of the jet? and why we will we even agree? and we know that China rejected PAKFA design and persued their own, why they would be even interested?

PAK FA IS NOT financed by India and never was.

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[Rushil51]

@gadeshi Is the contract for 154 PAK FAs delivery the final contract(No more negotiations for contract and delivery will commence in few years) or the governments still need to hold discussions regarding price,maintenance etc.(Just like the 126 Rafale deal)? Hope it is the former. Also what happened to FGFA?

 

[Dash]

PAK FA IS NOT financed by India and never was.

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Sorry if I was misunderstood. I am sure you are aware that India is a financial 'partner' during development of PAKFA.

Now if you can try to answer again please.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

With missile speed of 7km/s???
This task actually is easy comparable to CM interception. But S-400 can intercept supersonic CMs on that range.

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How are you going to track enemy fighter or CM at such distance?
Earth's curvature makes it difficult to track target 80-100 km away.

 

[gadeshi]

How are you going to track enemy fighter or CM at such distance?
Earth's curvature makes it difficult to track target 80-100 km away.

Earth atmosphere has ionized layer called ionosphere which reflects radio waves...

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[Dark Sorrow]

Earth atmosphere has ionized layer called ionosphere which reflects radio waves...

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Over-the-horizon radar are good for early detection however they are inferior in accuracy and tracking.
Also India doesn't have any Over-the-horizon radar infrastructure.

 

[gadeshi]

Over-the-horizon radar are good for early detection however they are inferior in accuracy and tracking.
Also India doesn't have any Over-the-horizon radar infrastructure.

You can relax with guidance-precised tracking on any distance with S-400 .
Guidance precision is guaranteed within horizon ranges (~250km), the rest is about +-3-5km.
However 40N6 and even more old 48N6-2 and 48N6-3 have active radar seeker that is enough to poin target "out there +-5km" and the seeker will do the rest.

 

[gadeshi]

Well, I have a strong oppinion of generic S-400 knowledge lack reading this topic.
It's needed to be explaned a wide.
But this requires a fucking big post (or severalones) with pictures, which seems much like an article

 

[cobra commando]

Indian Defense Minister confirms S-400 purchase from Russia:

- You’ve mentioned the “Make it in India” program launched by the Indian government to transform the country into a global manufacturing hub. Are there any joint projects between our countries as part of this program which are already taking shape?

- They may not take final shape during my visit but we’d like to prepare some of them for Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Russia in December — for example, the project for joint production of Kamov Ka-226 helicopters. I hope to use my visit to have it inked on paper when the prime minister arrives. Also the purchase of S-400 missile systems. We anticipate these projects to be coordinated by next month. There are also proposals for small private-sector companies interested in tying up with Russian companies to manufacture spares. Our industry representatives visited Russia in September and I think they have come up with a few proposals. I would in fact be raising the issue that since India depends much on Russian platforms, spares supplies in the future could make the use of these platform easier. Some of the key components would be manufactured in India under this “Make it in India” program. I expect some movement on that also.

Read more:
Manohar Parrikar spoke about Indo-Russian joint defense projects in an exclusive interview with TASS

 

[Kshatriya87]

http://www.firstpost.com/india/worl...om-its-all-weather-friend-russia-2489130.html

India all set to buy world's most advanced missile defence system from its 'all-weather friend' Russia

Union Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar left for Moscow on 30 October for a three-day visit before he travels to Malaysia for the ASEAN Defence Ministers' Meeting (ADMM-Plus). The takeaway from this trip, however, is the fact that all measures are in place for India to acquire the world's most advanced anti-ballistic missile system — the S-400.

Previously known as S-300PMU-3, S-400 is a new generation anti-aircraft weapon system developed by Russia's Almaz Central Design Bureau as an upgrade of the S-300 family. It is currently in service with the Russian Armed Forces.

The S-400 is designed to protect nuclear reactors, population centres and government installations. The system can also deflect enemy missile more than 400 km away. NDTV, however, reported that the total cost of the acquisition is not known yet.

<img class="size-full wp-image-2489550" src="http://s3.firstpost.in/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/S-400-WIKIPEDIA1.jpg" alt="A file picture of S-400. Image source: Wikipedia" width="380" height="285" />
A file picture of S-400. Image source: Wikipedia

The S-400 basically has three kinds of missiles, with different capabilities, that can fly at supersonic and hypersonic speeds to intercept all kinds of targets at ranges from 120 to 400 km. Russian experts even proclaim that the S-400 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system can “radar lock and shoot down” stealth fifth-generation fighters like the American F-35 jets.

The S-400 Triumf is capable of countering all air attack weapons, including tactical and strategic aircraft, ballistic
missiles and hypersonic targets such as the US F-35 fighter jet. The S-400 can engage up to 36 targets simultaneously with as many as 72 missiles at altitudes of five meters to 30 km.

Elaborating on the agenda during his visit to Moscow, Parrikar told Russian news agency TASS that he hopes to finalise the S-400 deal before PM Narendra Modi visits Russia in December this year.

“They may not take a final shape during my visit but we’d like to prepare some of them for Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Russia in December — for example, the project for joint production of Kamov Ka-226 helicopters… Also, the purchase of S-400 missile systems. We anticipate these projects to be coordinated by next month,” Parrikar was quoted by TASS as saying.

The deal comes around a year after China sealed a $3 billion deal with Russia for the acquisition of six S-400 batteries. China is slated to get the S-400 batteries, which is designated 'SA-21 Growler' by Nato and rivals the anti-ballistic missile capabilities of the US Patriot PAC-3 system, from 2017 onwards, PTI reported.

Parrikar's visit to Russia and clinching this deal might seem as an attempt by India to plug the holes in its airspace surveillance and defence network with progressive induction of a wide array of sensors and
weapons.

Parrikar's visit comes as the government's Defence Acquisition Council cleared defence projects worth more than Rs 15,000 crores, Zee News reported.

India-Russia military technical cooperation has evolved from a simple buyer-seller framework to one involving joint research, development and production of advanced defence technologies and systems.

Meanwhile, on Thursday, in an interview to TASS, Parrikar said the India-Russia relationship should be enhanced. "I have always seen Russia as an all-weather friend for India - the two countries have always had a great relationship. I believe that this relationship should be enhanced. My visit to Moscow will be an attempt to help the relationship blossom further," IANS reported Parrikar as saying.

 

[WolfPack86]

This is good news. Defence Minister is doing great job keep it up good work.

 

[swastic_1170]

http://www.firstpost.com/india/worl...om-its-all-weather-friend-russia-2489130.html

India all set to buy world's most advanced missile defence system from its 'all-weather friend' Russia

Union Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar left for Moscow on 30 October for a three-day visit before he travels to Malaysia for the ASEAN Defence Ministers' Meeting (ADMM-Plus). The takeaway from this trip, however, is the fact that all measures are in place for India to acquire the world's most advanced anti-ballistic missile system — the S-400.

Previously known as S-300PMU-3, S-400 is a new generation anti-aircraft weapon system developed by Russia's Almaz Central Design Bureau as an upgrade of the S-300 family. It is currently in service with the Russian Armed Forces.

The S-400 is designed to protect nuclear reactors, population centres and government installations. The system can also deflect enemy missile more than 400 km away. NDTV, however, reported that the total cost of the acquisition is not known yet.

<img class="size-full wp-image-2489550" src="http://s3.firstpost.in/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/S-400-WIKIPEDIA1.jpg" alt="A file picture of S-400. Image source: Wikipedia" width="380" height="285" />
A file picture of S-400. Image source: Wikipedia

The S-400 basically has three kinds of missiles, with different capabilities, that can fly at supersonic and hypersonic speeds to intercept all kinds of targets at ranges from 120 to 400 km. Russian experts even proclaim that the S-400 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system can “radar lock and shoot down” stealth fifth-generation fighters like the American F-35 jets.

The S-400 Triumf is capable of countering all air attack weapons, including tactical and strategic aircraft, ballistic
missiles and hypersonic targets such as the US F-35 fighter jet. The S-400 can engage up to 36 targets simultaneously with as many as 72 missiles at altitudes of five meters to 30 km.

Elaborating on the agenda during his visit to Moscow, Parrikar told Russian news agency TASS that he hopes to finalise the S-400 deal before PM Narendra Modi visits Russia in December this year.

“They may not take a final shape during my visit but we’d like to prepare some of them for Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Russia in December — for example, the project for joint production of Kamov Ka-226 helicopters… Also, the purchase of S-400 missile systems. We anticipate these projects to be coordinated by next month,” Parrikar was quoted by TASS as saying.

The deal comes around a year after China sealed a $3 billion deal with Russia for the acquisition of six S-400 batteries. China is slated to get the S-400 batteries, which is designated 'SA-21 Growler' by Nato and rivals the anti-ballistic missile capabilities of the US Patriot PAC-3 system, from 2017 onwards, PTI reported.

Parrikar's visit to Russia and clinching this deal might seem as an attempt by India to plug the holes in its airspace surveillance and defence network with progressive induction of a wide array of sensors and
weapons.

Parrikar's visit comes as the government's Defence Acquisition Council cleared defence projects worth more than Rs 15,000 crores, Zee News reported.

India-Russia military technical cooperation has evolved from a simple buyer-seller framework to one involving joint research, development and production of advanced defence technologies and systems.

Meanwhile, on Thursday, in an interview to TASS, Parrikar said the India-Russia relationship should be enhanced. "I have always seen Russia as an all-weather friend for India - the two countries have always had a great relationship. I believe that this relationship should be enhanced. My visit to Moscow will be an attempt to help the relationship blossom further," IANS reported Parrikar as saying.

It would be interesting to know the time frame for induction and approx numbers

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[charlie]

There is no alternative American system to S400, I don't know why people compare it with THAAD here.

Only thing that is some what similar to S400 is Aegis Ashore.