India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions

[Chinmoy]

IAF augmenting its bases and landing ground have little do with how the S-400 will be deployed. The main point here is no matter how mobile these S-400 SAMs are, a regiment or battery or battalion will be assigned a dedicated area to work with, with-in this area they will have some mobility. If you think every time the enemy pops up, a battery will relocate anything more than 10's of KM, you are wrong, the logistics involved would make it counter productive.

Secondly, the kind of saturation you speak off can't be done alone with S-400, as we know 12 regiments will be acquired and they will form a formidable set of layers. off course, this won't deter the enemy from using known blind spots or other sneak tactics but its not the job of the S-400 to cover blind spots. Blind spots are best suited to be handled by Akash, Spyder ADS and Pantsir S-1.

S-400's prime usefulness would be to counter the enemy's SRBMs, long range cruise missiles, AWACS, Transports, High altitude bombers, fighters etc. with-in their own airspace, it is meant to prevent the enemy from getting close enough to bite, incase they slip through, there will other layers to take care of them.

It isn't meant to deal with very low level, highly maneuvering targets. Hence every S-400 regiment has plenty of Pantsir-S1s to cover the area to keep an eye on blind spots. Pantsir with its twin autocannons and 12 ready to fire missiles will be hidden exactly in such blind spots waiting for the enemy, they simply have to pop-up fire and scoot.

I am not a strategist of IAF to decide on where to place my batteries and how much batteries of which system to be involved. What I did quote here is based on my observation and the facts which I have learned during my visits and interactions with people there.

Moving the system through road in AP would be a logistical nightmare where to cross a 10 km of distance in a normal 4x4 takes you anywhere near 20 mins. But yeah, in Assam it would be fine.

I do agree with you point of multiple layer of system for effective deterrence. But if you want to nip the prob in bud, then you got to have a healthy amount of VLRSAM so that nothing could pop up its head anywhere in horizon.

I do whole heatedly agree with your third pint.

As far as shoot and scoot is concerned, I would not say impossible in the given terrain, but yeah it would be pretty much hard

Not true, a ground offensive in this day without fighters against an enemy like India is doomed to fail from the start. Hence PLAAF has been ramping up its activities in TAR. There is no way they have any success without fighters backing up to the ground offensive.

I am sure that you might not have visited AP. Unless you see for yourself you would not understand why I made this point. I could only suggest you to have a nice tour plan for Tawang once. The best time I like to visit the place is in height of winter to enjoy the snowfall :biggrin2:.

But the base line, that you do need more then 1 regiment to cover the whole East is what I think you might have agreed by now.

 

[gadeshi]

I've been in Goa (Dabolim/Benaulim and the neibours), and I'm curious, how can 14-20-meters long TELs and radar trailers can move on local roads, which have 100500 5m radius turns for every 10 miles

 

[Chinmoy]

I've been in Goa (Dabolim/Benaulim and the neibours), and I'm curious, how can 14-20-meters long TELs and radar trailers can move on local roads, which have 100500 5m radius turns for every 10 miles

WOW.... you were there already in nice tourist spots. Now you must try some places where even seasoned mountaineers gets nausea :biggrin2:

 

[gadeshi]

WOW.... you were there already in nice tourist spots. Now you must try some places where even seasoned mountaineers gets nausea :biggrin2:

Yeah, we've been in Goa during a wedding trip with my wife in December 2011.
We've even concieved our first child there (Indian nights are so special, you know ).
We've been in Joecons Hotel in Benaulim.

 

[tharun]

Why can't we use s-400 on destroyers....It would be more useful against any aerial attack

 

[A chauhan]

Can it transfer target information to fighter jets too?

 

[gadeshi]

Why can't we use s-400 on destroyers....It would be more useful against any aerial attack

You can use its naval version - Poliment/Redut even on frigates and corvettes

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[gadeshi]

Can it transfer target information to fighter jets too?

Yes.
I've already mentioned this tactics - first fires S-400, then it scoots and reloads, but targets transferred to fighters that come to stage.
Fighters fire and withdraw when S-400 get ready to fire to not get shot down by friendly fire.

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[Immanuel]

I am not a strategist of IAF to decide on where to place my batteries and how much batteries of which system to be involved. What I did quote here is based on my observation and the facts which I have learned during my visits and interactions with people there.

Moving the system through road in AP would be a logistical nightmare where to cross a 10 km of distance in a normal 4x4 takes you anywhere near 20 mins. But yeah, in Assam it would be fine.

I do agree with you point of multiple layer of system for effective deterrence. But if you want to nip the prob in bud, then you got to have a healthy amount of VLRSAM so that nothing could pop up its head anywhere in horizon.

I do whole heatedly agree with your third pint.

As far as shoot and scoot is concerned, I would not say impossible in the given terrain, but yeah it would be pretty much hard



I am sure that you might not have visited AP. Unless you see for yourself you would not understand why I made this point. I could only suggest you to have a nice tour plan for Tawang once. The best time I like to visit the place is in height of winter to enjoy the snowfall :biggrin2:.

But the base line, that you do need more then 1 regiment to cover the whole East is what I think you might have agreed by now.

Agree with you on all counts. Those S-400s will be placed in semi permanent locations, certainly underground shelters with easy access to clear open fields of fire and then during combat moved out to such spots in minutes and set-up. The radars themselves will be set-up at spots which allow quick movement to spots which provide a great picture. I always said we need 4 regiments to cover all of East/N.E, AP/Sikkim can be covered with 1 regiment.

 

[Yumdoot]

I've been in Goa (Dabolim/Benaulim and the neibours), and I'm curious, how can 14-20-meters long TELs and radar trailers can move on local roads, which have 100500 5m radius turns for every 10 miles

And this was just the Goa.

Now imagine a massive truck in with the masted radar from the highest point on a Himalayan mountain to the next place where it will need to hide for sometime after every firing of the S-400.

 

[SajeevJino]

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Time to drop a Bomb ... I think there is no S 400 systems comes to India

bad dream

 

[Alien]

Alarm bells for China, Pakistan; India eyes S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems
Last Updated: Thursday, October 15, 2015 - 13:28

Pic courtesy: ITAR-TASS
Zee Media Bureau

New Delhi: In what would certainly set alarm bells ringing in China and Pakistan, India is planning to buy Russian S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems, reports said on Thursday.




The Indian administration is expected to soon take up the proposal with Russian authorities.

Notably, Prime Minister Narendra Mod is scheduled to visit Russia in December, where he is expected to take up the matter with President Vladimir Putin. Also, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar is expected to visit India's neighbour in the near future.

The S-400 is a new generation anti-aircraft system, which can be equipped with very long-range missiles (up to 400km), long-range (250km) and medium-range (120km).

The S-400 Triumf is capable of countering all air attack weapons, including tactical and strategic aircraft, ballistic missiles and hypersonic targets such as the US F-35 fighter jet.

India is likely to purchase 10-12 S-400s.

The S-400 can engage up to 36 targets simultaneously with as many as 72 missiles at altitudes of five meters to 30 km.

Watch video:

Meanwhile, a report recently published by Credit Suisse on globalisation has ranked the Indian armed forces as the fifth strongest military in the world.

While India was ranked fifth, United States of America held the number one position followed by Russia, China and Japan.

According to Credit Suisse report on the trend of globalisation, the US scored 0.94. It was followed by Russia (0.8), China (0.79), Japan (0.72), India (0.69), France (0.61), South Korea (0.52), Italy (0.52), Britain (0.5) and Turkey (0.47).

Importantly, Pakistan was ranked No 11 with a score of 0.41.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...iumf-air-defence-missile-systems_1810432.html

 

[jackprince]

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Time to drop a Bomb ... I think there is no S 400 systems comes to India

bad dream

And, reason for your thinking?

The reason that we think it is coming has been illustrated in last few pages, now it is your time to substaniate your claim. Do provide a reason except hunch.

 

[gadeshi]

A piece of humor in this topic with MZKT modular heavy chassis:

 

[pmaitra]

A piece of humor in this topic with MZKT modular heavy chassis:

Well, "Topol" or "Тополь" means "Poplar" Tree.

Now, it looks like MAZ is going to be replaced by KamAZ.

Excellent video.

Presented below is KamAZ-7850, 16x16, 85 tons, and has a smaller sibling, the KamAZ-78509, slated to replace the MAZ-79221/MZKT-79221 for carrying various Russian heavy loads, such as the Topol-M.

 

[WolfPack86]

one of the best anti aircraft missile in the world, India must buy it soon

 

[gadeshi]

one of the best anti aircraft missile in the world, India must buy it soon

India must do a spare research on how to build effective network-centric, dense, nested, all-integrated AD system to incorporate S-400 into it.

 

[WolfPack86]

we should at least buy more than 12 numbers . We transfer technology for s 400 and build in india. As make in India.

 

[WolfPack86]

Russian linking S 400 sale to FGFA to India. Its seems Russians have become Pakistan agent this is nothing but pure black mail. We should not buy anything from Russia like gandhiji asked people not to buy anything from British. They backstabbing us i never expected this. Govt must develope own missile defence system. Let private comapnies build anti aircraft missile. Know i am sure russian definetly sell SU 35 to Pakistan. Russian have become money minded people. They are not our friends they just interested in money.

 

[SajeevJino]

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well..from Thakur



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