India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[patriots]

Bdw there was a rumour that
Arjun and Tejas are deployed their
I believe already su30 and mirage 2000 are there,Tejas is not needed
And Arjun is designed for western plains
You can say only for Pakistan,so we can deploy Arjun agnaist china ,but in it will be difficult
Bdw last time Chinese tank defeated our shiny t90 in tank batallion

 

[patriots]

China has different drones
Any way to counter them
Spending। a costly akash or spyder Sam to shoot those cheap drones will be a bad idea
Anti aircraft guns can do

 

[patriots]

Depends if it can fire ATGM & has APS.

In a canon fight their 105mm on light tanks stands no chance at all!.. But if it can fire CLGM from 3+km away, they'll stay out of gun range. If has APS (probably does) that neutralises our Invar, then the valleys will be littered with roasted Indian vanilla Tincans & their deep-fried crews... onesided slaughter.

Type 15's rifled gun with new 105 mm ammunition, which is superior to the 105mm tank gun (Type 94) fitted on Type 88 tank and Type 59 tank. The tank can hold 38 rounds of 105mm ammunition. When launching 105 mm armor-piercing projectiles, Type 15 is capable to effectively penetrate main battle tanks equipped by various countries and regions in southern and southwestern Asia.[4] [5]It can fire new advanced tungsten-alloy APFSDS capable of penetrating 500mm of armored steel at 2km. [6]

From Wiki
No mention of clgm

 

[prasadr14]

China will have upper hand in the initial days of battle - No doubt.
BUT, they would also reach saturation point much quickly because their supply lines are longer and the terrain for them to replenish their supply is harsh.

Give few days time into battle, then, I bet Indian military will be rolling into Tibet simply because we can resupply faster.

Battles are not JUST won on who has shinier toys,
Just look at US being friendly with Pakis for supply routes into Afg.
It won't be any different for China.

Their supply chain is their weakest link.

 

[Bleh]

Type 15's rifled gun with new 105 mm ammunition, which is superior to the 105mm tank gun (Type 94) fitted on Type 88 tank and Type 59 tank. The tank can hold 38 rounds of 105mm ammunition. When launching 105 mm armor-piercing projectiles, Type 15 is capable to effectively penetrate main battle tanks equipped by various countries and regions in southern and southwestern Asia.[4] [5]It can fire new advanced tungsten-alloy APFSDS capable of penetrating 500mm of armored steel at 2km. [6]

From Wiki
No mention of clgm

But its thin armour can't resist even our shitty 550mm penetrative APFSDS... So, they won't approach for a cannon engagement when can take out the vintage vanilla Indian Tanks from relative safety. APS will make them completely immune to our CLGMs at 4-5km range.

Logically (without other variables like airr or artillery) they may not even lose a single tank!

China will have upper hand in the initial days of battle - No doubt.
BUT, they would also reach saturation point much quickly because their supply lines are longer and the terrain for them to replenish their supply is harsh.

Give few days time into battle, then, I bet Indian military will be rolling into Tibet simply because we can resupply faster.

Battles are not JUST won on who has shinier toys,
Just look at US being friendly with Pakis for supply routes into Afg.
It won't be any different for China.

Their supply chain is their weakest link.

True for Arunachal maybe but not Ladakh. There we have to haul supplies from across whole Himalayan range, while they have a flat plateau with 6-lane highways!
Few successful air/cruise-missile strikes on roads can cutoff Indian forces completely if it can cause a landslide or destroy bridges. Remember Kargil the Paki plan was to block one single road which could cutoff Shiachen?

You'd already know what I'm saying if you even been to those areas.

 

[IndiaRising]

But its thin armour can't resist even our shitty 550mm penetrative APFSDS... So, they won't approach for a cannon engagement when can take out the vintage vanilla Indian Tanks from relative safety. APS will make them completely immune to our CLGMs at 4-5km range.

Logically (without other variables like airr or artillery) they may not even lose a single tank!

True for Arunachal maybe but not Ladakh. There we have to haul supplies from across whole Himalayan range, while they have a flat plateau with 6-lane highways!
Few successful air/cruise-missile strikes on roads can cutoff Indian forces completely if it can cause a landslide or destroy bridges. Remember Kargil the Paki plan was to block one single road which could cutoff Shiachen?

You'd already know what I'm saying if you even been to those areas.

that works both ways.

 

[patriots]

But its thin armour can't resist even our shitty 550mm penetrative APFSDS... So, they won't approach for a cannon engagement when can take out the vintage vanilla Indian Tanks from relative safety. APS will make them completely immune to our CLGMs at 4-5km range.

Logically (without other variables like airr or artillery) they may not even lose a single tank!

True for Arunachal maybe but not Ladakh. There we have to haul supplies from across whole Himalayan range, while they have a flat plateau with 6-lane highways!
Few successful air/cruise-missile strikes on roads can cutoff Indian forces completely if it can cause a landslide or destroy bridges. Remember Kargil the Paki plan was to block one single road which could cutoff Shiachen?

You'd already know what I'm saying if you even been to those areas.

Then jet with spj won't b shoot down by active radar missile s
And a tank with aps will not be destroyed

 

[Bleh]

Then jet with spj won't b shoot down by active radar missile s
And a tank with aps will not be destroyed

Didn't expect you to give this poor example! Tanks with APS has been destroyed in dense habitations by unguided RPGs & IEDs. Not a single IDF tank was permanently destroyed in Gaza 2014, even with RPG-29 & new Kornets with Hamas.

We saw what happened to 5 AMRAAMs on 27th... SPJ on jets have (sometimes) been beaten by top-notch BVRs leading the race of sword & shield.
But given how pathetically shitty Invar missiles are, they'll have <5% hit rate. Nor will Indian tanks be able to close the gap by an ambush during a tank battle in vast open country of Ladakh.

 

[A chauhan]

भारत के चौतरफा दबाव के सामने चीन ने घुटने टेके, चीनी सेना पीछे हटी

भारत के चौतरफा दबाव के सामने चीन ने घुटने टेके, चीनी सेना पीछे हटी

दिल्ली। लद्दाख में करीब एक महीने से चल रहे भारत चीन सीमा विवाद में अब चीन पस्त होता नजर आ रहा है। भारत के दबाव और कड़े रूख के चलते चीन अब एलएसी से पीछे हट गया है। करीब एक महीने से लद्दाख इलाके में जारी सीमा विवाद के बीच पहली बार चीनी सैनिक पीछे हटे हैं। एक महीने से वास्तविक नियंत्रण रेखा यानि...

lalluram.com

China retreated... From Lalluram...

 

[Gautam Sarkar]

The India-China confrontation at Pangong Tso, 2020 [colourised]


#US taking steps to end #CCPChina unethically exploiting international Agreements #ChineseAirlines to be blocked in US unless China respects international rules

Kudos @realDonaldTrumphttps://www.

 

[ezsasa]

So why doesn't India invite say 20-30 US troops to join them at that ITBP base camp west of Finger 4 on a semi-permanent/rotational basis, and join them on foot patrols?

curios. what do you think that would achieve?

 

[Ajax01]

Didn't expect you to give this poor example! Tanks with APS has been destroyed in dense habitations by unguided RPGs & IEDs. Not a single IDF tank was permanently destroyed in Gaza 2014, even with RPG-29 & new Kornets with Hamas.

We saw what happened to 5 AMRAAMs on 27th... SPJ on jets have (sometimes) been beaten by top-notch BVRs leading the race of sword & shield.
But given how pathetically shitty Invar missiles are, they'll have <5% hit rate. Nor will Indian tanks be able to close the gap by an ambush during a tank battle in vast open country of Ladakh.

Best way to deal with them is sharpnel releasing projectile/warhead like AHEAD shell of Germany and destroy their sensors. Or dense jamming to make them miss intercepts. Trophy however is leagues ahead since its battle proven

 

[Bleh]

And Arjun is designed for western plains

It is a tank, designed for off roading, and it would do very very well in the hard ground of Ladakhi valleys. It's gradient climbing is better than T-90 too.

But getting it across the Himalayas would be a problem, as it can't go by road like T-90s. Also it got no APS either, just some laser warning sensors.

Best way to deal with them is sharpnel releasing projectile/warhead like AHEAD shell of Germany and destroy their sensors. Or dense jamming to make them miss intercepts. Trophy however is leagues ahead since its battle proven

Or you could just, you know, use artillery & air assets.

My reply was in context of his question... That if we go tank on tank with our vintage vanilla tanks we risk being completely butchered to the last man.

How good is
T90 aganaist type 15 light tank

 

[fire starter]

 

[patriots]

Didn't expect you to give this poor example! Tanks with APS has been destroyed in dense habitations by unguided RPGs & IEDs. Not a single IDF tank was permanently destroyed in Gaza 2014, even with RPG-29 & new Kornets with Hamas.

We saw what happened to 5 AMRAAMs on 27th... SPJ on jets have (sometimes) been beaten by top-notch BVRs leading the race of sword & shield.
But given how pathetically shitty Invar missiles are, they'll have <5% hit rate. Nor will Indian tanks be able to close the gap by an ambush during a tank battle in vast open country of Ladakh.

No hard feelings
I just asked a question bro ,you know better
So asked

 

[patriots]

It is a tank, designed for off roading, and it would do very very well in the hard ground of Ladakhi valleys. It's gradient climbing is better than T-90 too.

But getting it across the Himalayas would be a problem, as it can't go by road like T-90s. Also it got no APS either, just some laser warning sensors.

Or you could just, you know, use artillery & air assets.

My reply was in context of his question... That if we go tank on tank with our vintage vanilla tanks we risk being completely butchered to the last man.

Does Indian tanks. Has aps
As per my info ,they don't have your info bro

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Rafale would utterly dominate entire tibet. Spectra is unmatched even for Americans. And meteor would lock Chinese fighters 200km away from lac.

Even MKI traced J 20 300 km away. Imagine what Rafale can do. As our capability builds up, we should start according to our capability else there is no point in building capabilities. Our Capabilities keep building but we act like a banana republic like we happened to be few decades back. Like Ajit Doval had said, we should hit according to our weight. We should build strength and hit proportionately. We seem to be defensive in Laddakh. We should take back all the area they captured in 2013. They have taken some 640 KM as per some reports. These Masturbation addict Chinese army can not counter us. We should encroach into their grabbed territory. We should have a plan in place about how to take back Laddakh. We can not just satisfy by pushing Chinese back and loosing our territories every time.

 

[Ajax01]

TATA I think put APS on T90 or Arjun model. Didn't get approved though. Also APS increases EM signature

 

[Hellfire]

TATA I think put APS on T90 or Arjun model. Didn't get approved though. Also APS increases EM signature

How does that affect your battlefield management for troop/squadron level engagements?

 

[ashdoc]

Ladakh standoff: India-China military talks likely to focus on Pangong Lake clash, Chinese retreat in Galwan

The Lieutenant General-level talks are scheduled to take place on June 6 and are considered critical to end the deadlock. The Indian delegation will be led by Leh-based 14 Corp Commander.

www-indiatoday-in.cdn.ampproject.org

According to this report China has retreated 2 km in galwan region now .