India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[Raj Malhotra]

I saw Iyervval vs Ajai Shukla interview on TV. I only caught end of video, but Iyervval made one good point, or two:-

1. Show on map where Intrusions have taken place

2. Prove from Satellite pics that Chinese posts have moved to new positions

That's a reasonable ask. If China is sitting on our territory then where are they squatting? Govt cannot answer some vague questions.

But the counter ask is that if everything is ok, what talks local Military commanders are holding?

 

[Rudy123]

Another scenario in making, a possible terror attack on millitary installation.

First attempt was failed in pulwama when santro loaded with explosives caught. But there is possibilty of another. There may be many reasons for this
-Pakistan maybe checking India's preparedness for two front war.
-China cannot handle dense deployment of IA and wants IA to disperse in both borders. Then china can force demands in negotiation
-Pak thinks this is good time because PLA is already at LAC and it can be two front war.

Modi is concentrating on restarting economy and coming days will be testing time for him.

 

[piKacHHu]

A Good Debate going on India Today between Abhijit Iyer & Ajai Shukla, Interesting points are being made:

Abhijit Iyer Mitra

1. No Major Chinese Intrusion by China as indicated by Sat images.
2. Some swift intrusion by Chinese side 6-7 kms at Galwan riverside which was retreated after being confronted by Indian troops. However, reduction of flow has been witnessed which is cause of concern.
3. There has been military build-up on Gogra with Chinese deploying armor & artillery.

Ajai Shukla

1. There has been Kargil like intrusion at Galwan riverside from China which threatens the DBO road and has adverse strategic consequences for Indian side. (He attributed this information to some reliable source who is at ground where these things are happening.)
2. Presence of 5-6K Chinese soldiers at the top overseeing DBO road.
3. Loss of 50-60 km2 of Indian territory (However, no mention about perceived territory or real one)
3. Since the RM has shown concern over this matter and there is some talk going on to resolve the issue, if there is no issue, then what is the agenda of the talks happening at military level?.

My take:

1. There is some intrusion or stand-off going at LAC which nobody can deny. Usually, the US doesn't comment on minor incursions so there must be something brewing up in the northern borders. So, I feel the strong position taken by Abhijit for absence of any intrusion is a bit misplaced.

2. Mr. Shukla appeared very opinionated w.r.t Sat images, As per him, only a expert with 10-15 years can analyse Sat images with perfection. He couldn't defend the argument that presence of 5-6k troops can't escape Satellite as the land is perfectly barren with no vegetation or foliage. Like typical Indian Babu/Officer, he fends off the opposing argument by highlighting his experience in Army as a sole qualification for talking over military matters.

3. There was no talks about the definition of LAC; what's perceived by India or China for that matter. Abhijit could have highlighted the Finger 1-8 around Pyongyang lake and the perception of both armies.

There is a good thread on perceived LAC for both sides by Nirupama Roa who was former foreign secretary (Not sure whether posted earlier).

 

[Blue Water Navy]

Chinese students brings money for you and then steals from you.

And Indian students learns from you and then makes money for you.

LOL. There is big difference alright

 

[Frontrunner]

A Good Debate going on India Today between Abhijit Iyer & Ajai Shukla, Interesting points are being made:

Abhijit Iyer Mitra

1. No Major Chinese Intrusion by China as indicated by Sat images.
2. Some swift intrusion by Chinese side 6-7 kms at Galwan riverside which was retreated after being confronted by Indian troops. However, reduction of flow has been witnessed which is cause of concern.
3. There has been military build-up on Gogra with Chinese deploying armor & artillery.

Ajai Shukla

1. There has been Kargil like intrusion at Galwan riverside from China which threatens the DBO road and has adverse strategic consequences for Indian side. (He attributed this information to some reliable source who is at ground where these things are happening.)
2. Presence of 5-6K Chinese soldiers at the top overseeing DBO road.
3. Loss of 50-60 km2 of Indian territory (However, no mention about perceived territory or real one)
3. Since the RM has shown concern over this matter and there is some talk going on to resolve the issue, if there is no issue, then what is the agenda of the talks happening at military level?.

My take:

1. There is some intrusion or stand-off going at LAC which nobody can deny. Usually, the US doesn't comment on minor incursions so there must be something brewing up in the northern borders. So, I feel the strong position taken by Abhijit for absence of any intrusion is a bit misplaced.

2. Mr. Shukla appeared very opinionated w.r.t Sat images, As per him, only a expert with 10-15 years can analyse Sat images with perfection. He couldn't defend the argument that presence of 5-6k troops can't escape Satellite as the land is perfectly barren with no vegetation or foliage. Like typical Indian Babu/Officer, he fends off the opposing argument by highlighting his experience in Army as a sole qualification for talking over military matters.

3. There was no talks about the definition of LAC; what's perceived by India or China for that matter. Abhijit could have highlighted the Finger 1-8 around Pyongyang lake and the perception of both armies.

There is a good thread on perceived LAC for both sides by Nirupama Roa who was former foreign secretary (Not sure whether posted earlier).

Any YouTube link for the above video???????

 

[Bhadra]

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[piKacHHu]

Any YouTube link for the above video???????

I saw it live on Youtube, may be it will be available after sometime.

 

[Gautam Sarkar]

#USA to lose over $15.3Tr in lost #GDP due to impact of #COVID19 in 2020-30.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

As Mirror Deployment increase , Northern Army Commander Lt General Y.K Joshi reaches Ladakh

 

[Assassin 2.0]

चीन के साथ भारत की बातचीत चल रही है। बातचीत का सिलसिला चल रहा है इसलिए मैं संदेह व्यक्त नहीं करना चाहूँगा।

बातचीत के ज़रिए यदि मुद्दा सुलझ जाता है तो इससे अच्छी बात और क्या हो सकती है।

भारत का मस्तक किसी भी सूरत में झुकेगा नहीं।

 

[ezsasa]

Another scenario in making, a possible terror attack on millitary installation.

First attempt was failed in pulwama when santro loaded with explosives caught. But there is possibilty of another. There may be many reasons for this
-Pakistan maybe checking India's preparedness for two front war.
-China cannot handle dense deployment of IA and wants IA to disperse in both borders. Then china can force demands in negotiation
-Pak thinks this is good time because PLA is already at LAC and it can be two front war.

Modi is concentrating on restarting economy and coming days will be testing time for him.

but there is a catch, it is stated policy of paki army that they won’t fight directly with india or Indian army.

or else why would they be using terrorist ecosystem against us.

Paki army’s primary function is taking commision from LeT & Hizb’s public donations & give cover fire.

that’s about it.

 

[scatterStorm]

Chris is saying the truth?!

Just write WuMao and yey would know. Yes they are doing it. Thanks to a Chinese policy.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

I saw Iyervval vs Ajai Shukla interview on TV. I only caught end of video, but Iyervval made one good point, or two:-

1. Show on map where Intrusions have taken place

2. Prove from Satellite pics that Chinese posts have moved to new positions

That's a reasonable ask. If China is sitting on our territory then where are they squatting? Govt cannot answer some vague questions.

But the counter ask is that if everything is ok, what talks local Military commanders are holding?

First .. the major concern is that China has set up posts within its side, right at the LAC. This buildup has threatened the security of the DSDBO road.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Another scenario in making, a possible terror attack on millitary installation.

First attempt was failed in pulwama when santro loaded with explosives caught. But there is possibilty of another. There may be many reasons for this
-Pakistan maybe checking India's preparedness for two front war.
-China cannot handle dense deployment of IA and wants IA to disperse in both borders. Then china can force demands in negotiation
-Pak thinks this is good time because PLA is already at LAC and it can be two front war.

Modi is concentrating on restarting economy and coming days will be testing time for him.

In all this Pak is miscalculating again... There is a factor called Indian Navy and it's a Mammoth factor! If IA feels stretched in Kashmir in handling two front war then Sindh front will be opened! karachi will be decimated in no time and once it's achieved their will be a gateway in road into enemy territory! Then IN Navy assets will be freed to use in other fronts...

 

[Gandaberunda]

So in mirror deployment going on...
original vs first copy jets
Hotan base of PLAAF. Left side pics are dated today, right side is old google earth pics. About 10-12 SU30MKK or local version deployed. With old version of Mig21 Chinese copies.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

have been told that there will be a meeting held on June 6 between Indian and Chinese military leaders: Defence Minister
@rajnathsingh
tells
@AMISHDEVGAN

 

[ninja hattori]

Water wars are coming Guys

water war,

its not coming its ongoing and if u think Kashmir and Khalistan are religious causes,

then its going to be our stupidity,

it was always water,

When JInnah said Kashmir is juglar vein of Pakistan ..

I was not just a statement or war cry,

The juglar vein the biggest water source pak get is from our punj river see in map below

Now notice the region and the flow of rivers,

where do it flow from,

Shocking isn't it its the area of Kashmir and Khalistan.

So aren't we aware of it? we are.

So what we did ,

we built another dam in Afghanistan on Kabul river which flows through Khyber pakhtunwala in pak.

We always were in water war, religion being just the tool to achieve its ends.

And pak aligned with china for having a sort of veto our brahmputra hydrological data sharing

 

[doreamon]

In all this Pak is miscalculating again... There is a factor called Indian Navy and it's a Mammoth factor! If IA feels stretched in Kashmir in handling two front war then Sindh front will be opened! karachi will be decimated in no time and once it's achieved their will be a gateway in road into enemy territory! Then IN Navy assets will be freed to use in other fronts...

Gwadar port will be in fire .

 

[Gandaberunda]

Gwadar port will be in fire .

To hurt Chinese then should target Djibouti base

 

[ninja hattori]

Gwadar port will be in fire .

Baluchistan is already burning, BLF killed death squad army head in IED blast. SInce feb 2020, 62 officers till date of may 12, have been killed of pak army, BLF is getting success in its operation exponentially.