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Which will harm whom? Certainly not us
Diverting sutlej means less water for irrigation, power generation in north india .

If daming or diverting is actually possible they will definitely do it,so they can black mail us.
 

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Galwan doesn't have that much water . It's more of a stream the river. Besides there is no way for Chinese to deny responsibility for such a thing. That will be declaration of war
Just to add to that,barraging such small rivulets are such hazardous that SATs will get to know and a purposeful attempt at flooding will result in washout of all Chinese roads along the rivers as well.
More than the heights of Leh,such downstream flooding will ravage the CPEC roads and Pakistani dams downstream thereby attaining India's long term objective of POK getting cut off from China.
That is why water wars here are an imagination.
And India doesn't need any of Indus or Sutlej waters to control droughts here.,but pak does.
 

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Diverting sutlej means less water for irrigation, power generation in north india .

If daming or diverting is actually possible they will definitely do it,so they can black mail us.
Sutlej is in such a minor form in Tibet ...it is not a major river even in India (but all the swelling up occurs due to rains and snow from this side of the mountains)
So it doesn't harm us much.
 

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What is LAC Management Mechanism
It must be kept in mind that the LAC as a concept has evolved over many years post 1962 debacle when Nehru had ordered the withdrawal of troop down to Leh, Guwahati and Tezpur. Chinese pulled back and declaring went 20 km away from their perceived border leaving behind a line of posts as their occupation.

Indian administration literally crept towards the Chinese occupation line and it took them nearly 20 to 30 years to reach the line in the proximity of the Chinese. One can very well imagine the effects of a lost war on the psyche of the vanquished, First it was state police followed by Paramilitary force like Assam Rifles and CRPF who inched forward in the name of maintaining law and order and then they were closely followed by the Army. It is a history unto itself and the defense enthusiasts must study it. It was an exercise of regaining thousands of Sq Km of territory.
It subsequent to regaining control and deployment in forward areas that the concept of LAC started coming in vogue including in interaction between the two governments.

LAC Management Actors

LAC management is not so simple as one would like to belive. Following permanent or temporary actors are involved in it ;
*NSA
* PMO
* MEA
* MoD and the Army (IAF and Navy to lesser extent)
* MHA and CAPF (ITBP in this case)
* R&AW
* IB
* Military Survey as also Survey of India
* Sate govt, distt administration and state police.
* Commerce Ministry (for trade activities)
* Ministry of Raod and Transport.
* Railway and Ministry of Petrolium and fuel.
* And most of the time a study group called China Study Group (CSG) under a colonel in MHA who provide inputs and policy guidelines.

Mangement Mechanism, MEA and the Army are generally the largest players of the game along with ITBP. However, R&AW as also IB also provides their inputs. The decision are taken collectively and conveyed to the NSA and PMO. The final approval may come from PMO or CCS which then is passed down to the executive agency.

What are the Shortcomings We all know that where ever there is the bureaucracy involved the biggest shortcoming is lack of coordination on grounds in execution and liaison. Everyone is on his own and all start working as lost cows (Gawachi Gaya). Unfortunately, the buck always stops at Army.
 
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Not really Chinese stop our water we stop more water from Pakistan.
Galwan appears more like a nala than a river..
But, if it is true, then this would be a pretty desperate move by China. Looks like they are pretty spooked by Indian actions..
But they have to be careful... since this would set an international narrative justifying an invasion of aksai Chin and maybe even tibet in the distant future...
Maybe making tibet a joint Indo-US protectorate..😉
 
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We should start claiming till IB. This LAC perception is dog shit. Everyone have their own perception.....CIA IA PLA blah blah...
Till Khurnak fort it's our territory and we have to talk considering that not perception of bawasir LAC
Alright, here's a @CIA map from 1964 which shows actual LAC was at Finger 4 since 1962 war even though the Chinese 1956 claim line (rejected by India then) showed LAC at F8, but the Chinese changed that in 1960 and advanced upto F4 in '62. https://t.co/j9xCQJ2J54

 

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India China Border Personnel's Meeting at Division Level fail to reach any agreement and the meeting ended without any results..

Next meetings on 06 June 3030...

Lage Raho /// Chhodo Mat...
 

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We should start claiming till IB. This LAC perception is dog shit. Everyone have their own perception.....CIA IA PLA blah blah...
Till Khurnak fort it's our territory and we have to talk considering that not perception of bawasir LAC
Alright, here's a @CIA map from 1964 which shows actual LAC was at Finger 4 since 1962 war even though the Chinese 1956 claim line (rejected by India then) showed LAC at F8, but the Chinese changed that in 1960 and advanced upto F4 in '62. https://t.co/j9xCQJ2J54

Is that map to the scale ?
What is the scale of that map ?

How much of ground will that line cover in width when transposed on the ground- 1km or two km... ??

What is the validity and legality of that CIA Appolo Map ? Can it be thrown on the face of a PLA general as an authority?
 

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India China Border Personnel's Meeting at Division Level fail to reach any agreement and the meeting ended without any results..

Next meetings on 06 June 3030...

Lage Raho /// Chhodo Mat...
The longer means more embarrassment for the mighty CCP army.
 

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Is that map to the scale ?
What is the scale of that map ?

How much of ground will that line cover in width when transposed on the ground- 1km or two km... ??

What is the validity and legality of that CIA Appolo Map ? Can it be thrown on the face of a PLA general as an authority?
Whatever you through at PLA they won't accept infact they claim more Indian Territory! And we go on defence and start defending our territory. Even now talks are Chinese claiming our territory and we're holding talks with Chinese to maintain status quo. Trusting Chinese to accept the LAC is fools errand!
We must start salami slicing and grab territory to contain these PLAGF else every now n then they change perception of LAC at their will..
 
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