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How many Su35 Chinese have? Made in China aircrafts are junk but S-400 missile systems and Su35 aircrafts are going to be challenge for IAF
They have 2 squadron worth of SU35. I am not sure, but at max they are two. It comes down to better air doctrine and training.

Take Vietnam war for example:
Russians trained the North Vietnamizes airforce to use ground based comm support. It was so effective that cutting edge Tomcats couldn't do shit. So it comes down to better training, doctrine and experience in war fighting.

Trust me on this, if IAF have more jets, they could use tejas to its max potential. They've mastered MKIs, the only operating force after greek airforce to have BVRAAM dodging expertise.
 

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dude was a sucker within an year when Sikkim became protectorate we held a referendum and Sikkim chogyal rulers were ousted. We are not expansionist if we go by historical claims then whole east asia belongs to us.

But what is ours as of 1947 is ours CHINA can act as smart as they Can, sufficiently India has more visionaries even when we may all day say cringe about it.
You totally are misunderstanding Chinese psyche. That's what Nehru thought as well. Chinese live & cherish their past glory & they want to get that back. We can call them expansionist but the hard cold fact is they took Tibet which indeed is a great source of natural water & we lost a buffer state. Right now India is the only power standing that can shatter Mao's dream of supremacy in Asia. Which east Asia are you talking about? We only influenced them Culturally . In SEA Cholas ruled for a brief period. Our claim lies elsewhere & That is whole of Pakistan & Afghanistan that were ruled by Indian kings since ancient as well as medieval times. That's what Akhand Bharat is all about.
 

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A birdie told me their Su-35's barely fly so we can discount about 70% of their fleet.

Their Su-30's, Su-27s and copies of the same would pose some threat if any, followed by J-10 swarms.

The AL-31 air frames are more airworthy than those powered by Shenyang WS-10B. Once they start doing serious CAPS over their airspace and SCS, you will see them dropping off the sky like flies. That is how good they are.

The J-15 is pretty much canned and I doubt any of them will take off unless they are the last air worthy planes left in their entire inventory.

In a one to one contest, we are at best looking at 60-70% of PLAAF fleet at best 3rd Gen++ if we last the initial days.

Most PLAAF copies of Su series have very serious problems with their FBW besides having engine trouble with the WS engines. Serious air action will definitely test them.

If the PAF joins the circus then we may have our hands full else its an even contest.
We should fully assume a very high possibility of PAF coming into picture. Meaning, our western theater command and eastern theater command have to double back to counter these threats. The IAF can't do it alone.

IA has to cover the intelligence part from west.
Navy has to cover Karachi port and blockade and Bay of Bengal and the straits of Malacca.
IAF has to be the fulcrum to leverage both these units to there advantage.

If war pans out to our advantage, then we will be remembered to the force to recon with because we've seen such units of arms to work independently before in our former wars, but this will be on another level and scale. Here we cannot tolerate ego of any unit, but working as a single unit to the tri-arm.
 

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I think China and Pakistan has a plan to secure complete flow of Indus from Tibet to POK. Pakistan population depends on these rivers originating from Tibet and India. Water scarcity will happen in Pakistan by 2025. To secure the flow they both will do something. If not today but by 2024 they will.
 

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You totally are misunderstanding Chinese psyche. That's what Nehru thought as well. Chinese live & cherish their past glory & they want to get that back. We can call them expansionist but the hard cold fact is they took Tibet which indeed is a great source of natural water & we lost a buffer state. Right now India is the only power standing that can shatter Mao's dream of supremacy in Asia. Which east Asia are you talking about? We only influenced them Culturally . In SEA Cholas ruled for a brief period. Our claim lies elsewhere & That is whole of Pakistan & Afghanistan that were ruled by Indian kings since ancient as well as medieval times. That's what Akhand Bharat is all about.
Actually Chinese psyche is not historical claims but the revenge of humiliation they faced through Japanese, they take cover of historical claims in order to heal there wounds and forget the humiliations which they faced and in there psyche they themselves are inferior but want to show that they are superior and now others are inferior to them. Society as a Chinese whole suffers from this INFERIORITY COMPLEX, from using medicines to increase sexual powers to organ trade, to blatantly copying not only stuffs but whole of EUROPEAN Cities and statues. Everything else is just smokescreen, they are out here to show the world that they are powerful and will do it at any cost just like kings used to do. But again the ages of Kings are gone.
 

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Tibbet was more close to india than China there culture religion their traditions and language everything is more inclined towards India and Hinduism Tibbet should be part of India
Indian empires nor the Britishers had any control over Tibet. Zorawar Singh led the expedition that's why we claim Fort Demchok. At best we can claim Mansarovar & Kailash citing pre vedic claims. Chinese/han dynasties have ruled Tibet at various time frames.
 

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Indian empires nor the Britishers had any control over Tibet. Zorawar Singh led the expedition that's why we claim Fort Demchok. At best we can claim Mansarovar & Kailash citing pre vedic claims. Chinese/han dynasties have ruled Tibet at various time frames.
But Tibbet will always choose India over China
 

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A friendly reminder to active users.

Now that things might be settling down, its time for the Wikipedia war. Most of the people when trying to gather knowledge look up to Wikipedia than random news articles, hence the Wikipedia narrative of Indo-China standoff and how we broke Chinese necks must be maintained.

Unlike last time in Balakot, western media, as well as OSINT, was against us, hence we were not able to establish the truth owing to so-called "independent" western media shamelessly propagating Pakistani narrative.
This time, western media is with us as well as the narrative, so it won't be hard.

Beware, Chinese and their beloved pet Pakistanis are notorious in this and work overtime to change Wikipedia articles in their favor.
Affirm... Solid copy.
 

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See these 11 fake European towns and landmarks all made in China:
1. Hallstatt in Guangdong


Hallstatt, China is a project about copied architecture by artists Sebastian Acker & Phil Thompson. The fake version of the UNESCO World Heritage Site is complete with an artificial lake, imported doves and of course, the houses which were the same as the ones in the Alpine Village that it made the real Hallstatt locals surprised and upset.
2. Paris in Tianducheng


The City of Lights shines bright for China’s eyes that they even had the city itself complete with the recognizable apartment buildings and the Parisian trademark, the Eiffel Tower. Unfortunately, this luxury real estate development is now a ghost town due to its inconvenient location surrounded by farmlands.
3. Holland Village in Pudong


The windmill near a river says it all – you’re somewhere in the Netherlands. A quiet town near the busy downtown Shanghai, the Holland Village is another housing project part of the “1 City – 9 Towns” initiative the Shanghai Planning Commission set up in 2001. It wasn’t quite successful because its location is too far from the city.
4. Sweden Town in Luodian


Even the Scandinavian country of Sweden is part of the discontinued “1 City – 9 Towns” project. It had resembled Sigtuna, Sweden and it even had a near-replica of the Lake Malaren, but it was left without the expected number of inhabitants.
5. Thames Town


Tudor buildings, cobbled streets, red telephone boxes, a bronze statue of Winston Churchill and even the Queen’s guards got copied in this little English Town (yet another ghost town) near central Shanghai. It was also part of the “1 City – 9 Towns” project.
6. Anting German Town


Here’s another copycat town from the “1 City – 9 Towns” in Shanghai. The Anting German Town, designed by Albert Speer, looks complete with its colorful three to five-story high buildings, green space, canals, and restaurants. But just like the other ghost towns, the Chinese weren’t interested in permanently living in here.
Bronze statues of Goethe and Schiller stand together in the middle of the cobblestone square as they remain unknown for the locals.
7. Breeza Citta di Pujiang


And another “1 City – 9 Towns” ghost town, the Italian town or Breeza Citta di Pujiang in Shanghai doesn’t seem to show it’s a replica of someplace in Italy, unlike the other European town rip-offs.
8. Florence in Tianjin


Not a town but a shopping mall, Tianjin Florence Town covers an area of 200,000 square meters and houses some of the world’s famous brands.
9. London’s Tower Bridge in Suzhou


The fake bridge in the province of Jiangsu has a cafe on top that serves “English-style coffee” and has twice as many towers compared to the original. What it lacks though is the raising mechanism that will allow boats to pass underneath.

10. Château de Maisons-Laffitte in Beijing


This hotel in Beijing, Zhang Laffitte, misses no detail after using the original blueprints and 10,000 photos of the building as a guide. The hotel also has a spa and a wine museum inside.
11. Pont Alexandre III in Tianjin (Beian Bridge)


This replica of the Parisian arch bridge was built in 1973. It has four statues that represent wishes for peace and harmony: the Blue Dragon, the White Tiger, the Rosefinch and the Black tortoise.
Bonus: Some of the smaller rip-offs are located in Shenzhen’s Window of the World Theme Park

  • The Eiffel Tower, Arc de Triomphe, and Louvre


  • St. Peter’s Basilica, Vatican

  • St. Mark’s Square, Venice


Imitation is somehow connected to lack of creativity. But for the Chinese, the ability to copy and making an exact copy is something they are proud of because for them, it shows they’ve reached what the west has achieved.
 
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