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IndianSpiderman

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utubekhiladi

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@ladder @Bhadra @utubekhiladi

folks calm down...we can discuss in civil manner..we are not in war...
@Kumata we are all here to learn and share, discuss things, share opinions and at the end have some fun..

i don't expect everyone to agree to my opinion but if someone has different opinions then lets discuss in civil manner without getting personal. this guys gets personal and keeps trolling and uses words like forum is derailing becoz of me blah blah blah utubekhiladi is so judgemental blah blah blah

and to be honest, i am actually enjoying my hospitality in his ignore list :truestory: so no complains there..
 

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Amidst India-China stand-off, PM Modi makes a surprise visit to Ladakh along with CDS Bipin Rawat

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In a surprising development, PM Narendra Modi has arrived in Leh along with CDS General Bipin Rawat and COAS Gen MM Naravane. As per reports, the Prime Minister arrived at Leh with the CDS at 7 am today morning. PM Modi is there to meet soldiers and boost the morale of the Indian armed forces troops present there. Reports say that he is also to meet the soldiers who were injured in the violent clashes with Chinese troops.

PM is presently at a forward base of the Indian Army at Nimu, Ladakh. It is notable here that while it was speculated that COAS Naravane and CDS Bipin Rawat may visit Ladakh soon, the arrival of PM Narendra Modi is a surprise. Due to the high altitude, difficult terrain and lack of oxygen in the region with harsh atmospheric conditions, visit of national leaders in the area is rather rare.


How about Winnie the Pooh, Xi Jinping visiting Chinese troops too? No way, in spite of him being the Chairman of China's Central Military Commission and the commander of the PLA.



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I wish Rahul Gandhi should have been India PM right now.
Modi failed badly in handling china.
I must say we Indians are surely very talented people. We all have something that we can teach Modiji and the whole ministry with thousands of people who are pro at their work. Somehow we all are experts in running the nation and clearly know what is right and what is wrong.
 

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Well..Agree it takes time but once it is set, they should be able to produce at fast pace. Unlike Jets, Don't think we have to rely on foreign help for even making these as well... I mean what kind of advance tech we are talking of here ....

And in bold, i have no clues apologies...
Had posted already, the approved plan was 18+36+60 howitzer in 3 years.
Such capacity creation provied another 300 order are placed, for which the plan was 300*3.

When will MoD clear capital fund for capacity creation? When indent is placed. When was indent placed?
And how many months for a furnace to be set up?
Because without Indent, you don't have future production orders for which capacity addition has to be done.

Currently the 6 or 4 or so numbers you are hearing are made using current capacity.

In the article itself it is mentioned that they will be able to create capacity of 50 per year, only by 2021.

So what is the solution?

Let's dig a couple of more stories before we go to the solution. Stories how things can go wrong.

Take the example of HAL. It dived into own funds for development of HTT40 and Sitara. Created a LSP line for Sitara. But it was a failure. Now 15 to 18 LSP aircraft are rotting in hanger. And check the account balance of HAL.
HTT40. IAF said, they have no need. More Pilatus to be ordered. A confident HAL takes up the project with internal funds. Project is a success. Now when there is a corruption charge against Pilatus, IAF has agreed to induct HTT40.
Now, think of it, if HAL had waited for IAF clearance to start development of HTT40?

With the above two development and stoppage of payments from IAF ( different reason), Now HAL's accounts are empty. Can it dive into its internal funds for projects like Jaguar MaX or other projects?

Now, comming to the other side of the spectrum. L&T had two yards in which they make the 90T patrol boat. And as L&T had invested in large capacity addition, they wanted early delivery of (36+18) vessels. ICG rejected. Why?
1. The capital outgo is fixed by budget. So it they they take early delivery, the balance of payment at the time of delivery will be skewed for that year.
2. ICG is a growing force, their enlisted men are trained at INS Chilka. Navy has fixed seats for them at that facility. That seat capacity has been fixed with a perticular speed of modernization. If induction exceeds that, you don't have navik GD and navik TC to man that platform.
So, for L&T extra capacity isn't providing early and desireable returns.

Let's come to c295 aquisition, for the first couple of times no private player was interested as 50 units were deemed too low for setting up an unit.

So, it's not just the technology that is the cause for delay.
And if we are not able to discern it and reply with a standard answer that
MoD bad. Blood Sucking babu. OFB's father hasn't made a gun. Then this forum will become a rudali forum.

That doesn't mean that OFB hasn't failed in the past. Pinaka ammo is a case. I have posted about it. But, let's find the cause for that too.

And in how many months did USA supply 25 m777 howitzer from the date of contract signing? Has it's Indian partner started producing? Compare it with Dhanush.
 
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