India China LAC & International Border Discussions

[IndianHawk]

IMO if we can go 1 km deep inside LAC to fight them, then we can certainly capture some of their territory.

I feel we have occupied some of their territory . We are not revealing it.

We can and will capture a whole lot of territory. Chinese can't reinforce everywhere and numbers and supply chain is on our side.

 

[vineet23]

 

[Narasimh]

It does look like nepal trap was set by CCP, to hint in that direction. is it not?

No doubt Nepal is acting on CCP's influence but what I am thinking is on a larger scale. Other countries who look up to India as net security provider in the region, will they float away towards China? China looks very much predatory to me and I think smaller nations would see that. If this is China's political objective, then that does not seem very convincing to smaller nations

 

[ladder]

It does look like even if a skirmish does take place, Indian side seems to be on the defensive. saying so because no one from Indian govt side are taking a maximalist position in negotiations(as far as we know).

without taking a maximalist position, you can’t justify an offensive action.

Yes, as far as Panggong Tso is concerned. Geography dictates so. But not at PP14.
Can we hold F4 to 8 if we vacate Chinese from those areas? Even Chinese are trekking over the Ridgeline in F4 to come towards F3.
Solution to Pangong Tso is to create pressure at another point. That's why PLA is mobilizing to counter our moves. So they are at bottleneck points.

But, if skirmishes break out, it's unlikely to be only at Panggong Tso.

Our negotiation has been to restore status quo ante, so we can't take maximalist position.
In short,
What IA has said is that like LoC, if we use ATGM to blow PLA troops to pieces, it's unlikely that PLA will turn it into full blown invasion due to IA's defensive mobilisation.

So, LAC is going to be hot as LoC.

 

[IndianHawk]

Yes, as far as Panggong Tso is concerned. Geography dictates so. But not at PP14.
Can we hold F4 to 8 if we vacate Chinese from those areas? Even Chinese are tracking over the Ridgeline in F4 to come towards F3.
Solution to Pangong Tso is to create pressure at another point. That's why PLA is mobilizing to counter our moves. So they are at bottleneck points.

But, if skirmishes break out, it's unlikely to be only at Panggong Tso.

Our negotiation has been to restore status quo ante, so we can't take maximalist position.
In short,
What IA has said is that like LoC, if we use ATGM to blow PLA troops to pieces, it's unlikely that PLA will turn it into full blown invasion due to IA's defensive mobilisation.

So, LAC is going to be hot as LoC.

A hot lac will suit us but not china. China will be under tremendous pressure if it has to continue fight 2000km Faraway frontier.

 

[scatterStorm]

we dnt have a single k30 biho at this moment .

After Russia protests, MoD to take call on $2.5 bn deal

The high-powered Defence Acquisition Committee (DAC) is expected to look into the matter this month and decide on a way ahead for the critical purchase of self-propelled air defence gun missile system (SPAD-GMS), people aware of the development said.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Yes, I know, but its integration with our IBGs is an interesting point for future battles with Pakistan.

 

[fire starter]

Yes, I know, but its integration with our IBGs is an interesting point for future battles with Pakistan.

scrap it and develop indigenous system.

 

[WARREN SS]

ASN-301 anti-radiation loitering munition. Chinese copy of Harop suicide drone.

Its Mini harpy not harop they procured from IAI

I Doubt about its Range

 

[fire starter]

Yes, as far as Panggong Tso is concerned. Geography dictates so. But not at PP14.
Can we hold F4 to 8 if we vacate Chinese from those areas? Even Chinese are trekking over the Ridgeline in F4 to come towards F3.
Solution to Pangong Tso is to create pressure at another point. That's why PLA is mobilizing to counter our moves. So they are at bottleneck points.

But, if skirmishes break out, it's unlikely to be only at Panggong Tso.

Our negotiation has been to restore status quo ante, so we can't take maximalist position.
In short,
What IA has said is that like LoC, if we use ATGM to blow PLA troops to pieces, it's unlikely that PLA will turn it into full blown invasion due to IA's defensive mobilisation.

So, LAC is going to be hot as LoC.

let them come towards f3 they will not go back alive.

 

[ezsasa]

Yes, as far as Panggong Tso is concerned. Geography dictates so. But not at PP14.
Can we hold F4 to 8 if we vacate Chinese from those areas? Even Chinese are trekking over the Ridgeline in F4 to come towards F3.
Solution to Pangong Tso is to create pressure at another point. That's why PLA is mobilizing to counter our moves. So they are at bottleneck points.

But, if skirmishes break out, it's unlikely to be only at Panggong Tso.

Our negotiation has been to restore status quo ante, so we can't take maximalist position.
In short,
What IA has said is that like LoC, if we use ATGM to blow PLA troops to pieces, it's unlikely that PLA will turn it into full blown invasion due to IA's defensive mobilisation.

So, LAC is going to be hot as LoC.

Precisely my point, our negotiation seems to be status quo 2020.
what if india's maximalist position is for PLA to vacate from whole of aksai hind, and indian territory of ladakh cannot be used by PLA for an offensive against india, there by india reserves the right to act on threat to india presented by massive buildup of PLA troops and equipment ?

 

[samsaptaka]

Offensive Is non plausible as Per terrain At-least for Full scale military Invasion You need 5:1 ratio

Salami Slicing Is Possible But need to Develop Defense against PLA Counter offensive

Rest Launching raid Will Invite collateral repercussion in other sectors

All Option Will Only invite Short scale war

choice Who will initiate it ???

If we had any notion of self respect or atleast one fifth of bollocks we would have initiated the moment we came to know about the brutal massacre of 20 of our lads. I give up....

 

[Mikesingh]

Gist of issue is this. We can hold them somehow on the ground, but for aerial duels, we might need US help. Unfortunately for India, that will come with heavy concessions. If China does indeed plan something outrageous, then don’t be surprised if Modi seeks US boots on ground.... I know that will upset people here but that’s what happens when you keep defence preparedness as your lowest priority over 2 decades!!!

Many are under the false impression that the PLAAF in Tibet is a massive force that will be able to overwhelm us. This is as far from the truth as Mars is from earth!! Here's why...

> Most PLAAF airfields in TAR have only rudimentary support infrastructure, which would make it difficult for the PLAAF to carry out large-scale air operations in a sustained manner in Tibet.

> The PLAAF aircraft would also be handicapped in terms of payload capabilities while operating from high-altitude airfields in Tibet.

> PLAAF does not have adequate flight-refuelling capabilities, allowing only limited number of aircraft to get airborne with full payload

> The IAF has access to a greater number of airfields, with much better support facilities which it could use for air operations with full payloads against targets in the TAR.

> Even though the PLAAF may be more than double the size of the IAF in terms of its overall combat aircraft strength, in a border war with India, it may find itself at a disadvantage vis-à-vis the numbers (and reduced payloads), it can field against the IAF.

> The PLAAF is now spread thin from TAR to the East to cover the South China Sea and areas along its East coast for the defence of Beijing and its financial hubs as the USN has moved 3 Carrier Strike Groups into the South China Sea threatening China's East coast as well as the disputed islands in the SCS.

Financial hubs, Eastern China

>Without adequate number of ‘blast pens’ (protective aircraft shelters) the PLAAF aircraft would be vulnerable to counter-air strikes by the IAF. Check out the images below where no blast pens are seen.

Hotan AFB

Gonggar Airfield

> The PLA could resort to the use of its superior tactical ballistic/cruise missiles and unmanned drones with conventional warheads in these missions to offset the shortcomings of its air force. However, missiles are handicapped because of their capability of having only a single-shot. Therefore, if the IAF improves on its already existing facilities to ensure proper active/passive AD, protection and rehabilitation capabilities at its airfields and radar sites, it could well weather the Chinese offensive. On the other hand, it could use this very shortcoming of the PLAAF to its advantage to achieve a favourable air situation in the battle zone. Once this is achieved, the IAF can not only remove the danger of PLAAF interfering with ground operations, but also provide much needed CAS to the IA to help it ward off Chinese ground forces.

 

[Sehwag213]

If we had any notion of self respect or atleast one fifth of bollocks we would have initiated the moment we came to know about the brutal massacre of 20 of our lads. I give up....

So , you refuse to believe that we gave them a bloody nose on that night.

 

[doreamon]

To curb Chinese imports, India now plans tariff barriers on solar wafer, ingot

This will make imports of such wafers and ingots from China expensive and comes in the backdrop of all imported solar cells, modules and inverters to attract a basic customs duty starting 1 August

www.livemint.com

good.. at present we import around 90% of our requirement from china

 

[SU_MI]

No war will come, chill everyone including war mongers

 

[WARREN SS]

If we had any notion of self respect or atleast one fifth of bollocks we would have initiated the moment we came to know about the brutal massacre of 20 of our lads. I give up....

We Will Loose 2000 In collateral Who Will give there family Solace Definitely Not you or Me
Being Keyboard commando Of DFI

Any Side Who Will go offensive in this Terrain Will Loose war And human resource
Best Is To Build up And Power posture

This Just What We called Prelude To whatever Will happen in Near future

 

[WARREN SS]

No war will come, chill everyone including war mongers

Chinese are desperate Anything can happen

 

[ladder]

Precisely my point, our negotiation seems to be status quo 2020.
what if india's maximalist position is for PLA to vacate from whole of aksai hind, and indian territory of ladakh cannot be used by PLA for an offensive against india, there by india reserves the right to act on threat to india presented by massive buildup of PLA troops and equipment ?

Yes can be, but then you are junking the 1993 and all subsequent aggrements.
Is the govt. ready to do that?

 

[WARREN SS]

Chengdu J-7 Mighty J-7

 

[samsaptaka]

So , you refuse to believe that we gave them a bloody nose on that night.

No ! I am saying that is not enough if we want them to stop salami slicing our territory