India-China Border conflict

[pankaj nema]

 

[Jimih]

Equivalent to 800 million USD worth of Highways in the state

 

[thebakofbakchod]

 

[Jimih]

Unless we do ungli in the "South China" Sea this is not gonna stop.

Or we should raise our own water jet spewing Fishing Trawlers fleet to harras them.

Chinese respects hard power and we should provide them.

 

[Blademaster]

we need to intentionally ram this boat till it sinks or overturns.

 

[Zoid Raptor]

From posting pics of Paki soldiers with captured al Qaeda fighters in the other thread to this on this thread. Hmmmmm

If calling a spade a spade is something you have trouble dealing with just because you don't want to hear that certain units on our side are poorly trained with a higher possibility to loose, that is no different from the mindset of an average paki who assumes 1 musalman paki = 7 hindu weaklings

The whereabouts of these ships aren't secret - they are publicly known. Let alone the Navy's knowledge.
There's a reason we scheduled the test now. We want them to see.

How do you build deterrence if your opponent has no knowledge of the credibility of your capabilities?

Did you know the Soviets & Americans used to test their SLBMs from zones which they knew the other could gather data so that they are appraised of each others' nuclear capabilities? This is standard practice.

 

[DumbPilot]

god this is such a based timeline, hope more of this continues.

 

[Kumaoni]

If calling a spade a spade is something you have trouble dealing with just because you don't want to hear that certain units on our side are poorly trained with a higher possibility to loose, that is no different from the mindset of an average paki who assumes 1 musalman paki = 7 hindu weaklings
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Then at least post facts before hilariously embarrassing yourself and trying to cover it up with big words, akin to the average west worshipping sepoy on reddit (not saying u are one but you definetly give off said vibes).

The militant group para sf is “dropping like fillies to” is PAFF, not TRF. Two entirely different groups. Secondly, para sf managed to eliminate 2 militants in the second ambush, whilst losing one men. This is DESPITE the fact the militants had every advantage and practically lured PARA SF with the use of OGWs. This is was in both ambushes. This shows nothing if their training but their intel methods and usage as super infantry, which is the fault of the indian military upper brass more namely divisional and corp commander. Para SF true capabilities are unmown and will continue to be unknown until they are utilized properly. The poor equipments are well known and we will be beating a dead horse.

 

[maximus777]

Unless we do ungli in the "South China" Sea this is not gonna stop.

Or we should raise our own water jet spewing Fishing Trawlers fleet to harras them.

Chinese respects hard power and we should provide them.

Maybe it's time to supply some cheap naval drones to "non state actors"

Freedom of navigation sailing through Taiwan straits is a must, but I doubt if GoI has the balls to do it.

 

[Zoid Raptor]

Then at least post facts before hilariously embarrassing yourself and trying to cover it up with big words, akin to the average west worshipping sepoy on reddit (not saying u are one but you definetly give off said vibes).

The militant group para sf is “dropping like fillies to” is PAFF, not TRF. Two entirely different groups. Secondly, para sf managed to eliminate 2 militants in the second ambush, whilst losing one men. This is DESPITE the fact the militants had every advantage and practically lured PARA SF with the use of OGWs. This is was in both ambushes. This shows nothing if their training but their intel methods and usage as super infantry, which is the fault of the indian military upper brass more namely divisional and corp commander. Para SF true capabilities are unmown and will continue to be unknown until they are utilized properly. The poor equipments are well known and we will be beating a dead horse.

My bad I got mixed up TRF and PAFF. I do admire the west when it comes to their training, policies, procedures both from a strategic and tactical standpoint with the attitude to constantly learn and improvise. I even appreciate our adversaries in certain aspects where they're better than us like how pakis are relatively efficient in utilizing their limited defense funds compared to us. This doesn't make me a bootlicker of the west or a paki false flagger. JSOC for instance has a "Center for lessons learned" which analyzes what went right/wrong after ever op/deployment a JSOC unit goes thru something which Marcos/IN also established if I'm not wrong. If IN is able to model and transform on the lines of SEALS/SBS which warrants nothing but admiration, Idk what's stopping IA & IAF to do the same

Regarding the performance of Paras, my initial comments criticizing their training comes from their movements, stance, weapons handling, tactics etc which seemed to be sub-par, inconsistent and disorganized as witnessed in several exercises with foreign units. IA has more than enough funds to improvise their tactical training which matters the most during their deployments

I have no hopes for the strategic aspects like weapons & gear procurement, standardization & uniformity, planning, utilization & deployment in appropriate ops, education & learning etc since that requires org level reforms which the top brass is reluctant to tackle

 

[Azaad]

 

[Kumaoni]

My bad I got mixed up TRF and PAFF. I do admire the west when it comes to their training, policies, procedures both from a strategic and tactical standpoint with the attitude to constantly learn and improvise. I even appreciate our adversaries in certain aspects where they're better than us like how pakis are relatively efficient in utilizing their limited defense funds compared to us. This doesn't make me a bootlicker of the west or a paki false flagger. JSOC for instance has a "Center for lessons learned" which analyzes what went right/wrong after ever op/deployment a JSOC unit goes thru something which Marcos/IN also established if I'm not wrong. If IN is able to model and transform on the lines of SEALS/SBS which warrants nothing but admiration, Idk what's stopping IA & IAF to do the same

This is a common opinion of an Indian Military veterans. More so the lack of ORSA (Operational Research and Strategic Analysis) according to GD bakshi. Sure the west has good organization, but you forget one thing; the west is imperial in nature, constantly trying to overrun, pillage, and loot third world countries. India OTOH is a country entirely defensive in nature. Now, i’m not going with this where you think i am. My thesis is by attempting to copy the west, the IA has dug itself in a deep grave. For example, IA converting numerous para battalions to match Green Berrets have only taken down both its SOF and airborne capabilities. Instead, IA should make a military organization based on its own principles and goals, while simultaneously copying the west in terms of modernization and innovating its own battle tactics. Bottom line is that IA has failed any significant modernization since the last 20 years, and infantry troops look seldom different than they did in the Kargil War. The methods of operation are exactly the same. The IA needs to modernize and structure its military based on its own goals and conflicts. A seal Team 6 serves no purpose for the IA as the said team won’t be deployed trying to win insurgencies in Iraq or Syria. I’d say this:
1.Revert Paras to 1994 structure
2. Modernize accordingly

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Regarding the performance of Paras, my initial comments criticizing their training comes from their movements, stance, weapons handling, tactics etc which seemed to be sub-par, inconsistent and disorganized as witnessed in several exercises with foreign units. IA has more than enough funds to improvise their tactical training which matters the most during their deployments

Believe you are referring to 2018 Vajra Prahar, if u look at recent footage from 2022 Vajra Parahar, paras performed much better.

 

[Master Chief]

Chinese are upto something

 

[DingDong]

Chinese are upto something

The first step in starting any negotiation is to show the willingness and state the initial position (even if the initial position sounds too extreme). However, negotiations and misadventures go hand-in-hand, hence the stationing of the additional troops.

IMO, China wants India off it's back so that it can focus on Taiwan. During the past few years, India has successfully anticipated and blunted the Chinese attacks.

 

[Azaad]

CCP continuing the age old practice of trying to corner & embarrass our officials on our soil using the privileges our open society affords against us only to be soundly slapped by a cool unflappable Jaishankar in his inimitable style.

 

[Jimih]

@mist_consecutive @mokoman

Bhutan king should be summoned to New Delhi and spanked

 

[mist_consecutive]

@mist_consecutive @mokoman

Bhutan king should be summoned to New Delhi and spanked

Bhutan's PM is already in Delhi.

Btw nothing much Bhutan can do except for raising this on international forum to gain some limelight at least.

Honestly there is no future for peaceful states, and there is no future for Bhutan. Best bet for Bhutan will be to assimilate with India like Sikkim, and forget the places lost to China. On the other hand if they don't do it, in the next 50 years the only thing remaining for Bhutan will be cities near Indian border.

 

[Master Chief]

Bhutan's PM is already in Delhi.

Btw nothing much Bhutan can do except for raising this on international forum to gain some limelight at least.

Honestly there is no future for peaceful states, and there is no future for Bhutan. Best bet for Bhutan will be to assimilate with India like Sikkim, and forget the places lost to China. On the other hand if they don't do it, in the next 50 years the only thing remaining for Bhutan will be cities near Indian border.

Modi will visit Bhutan now.. What's happening.. ? Bhutan merging with India.. lol

 

[mist_consecutive]

Modi will visit Bhutan now.. What's happening.. ? Bhutan merging with India.. lol

Its just energy and food diplomacy. They want Indo-Bangladesh-Nepal corridor we are making to be connected with them as well, gives them easy port access.

 

[mist_consecutive]

China responds to India tensions with new military drills near border

China carried out a live-fire exercise in the Xinjiang Military Region as thousands of troops remain deployed along the boundary with India.

www.newsweek.com