India-China Border conflict

[Tridev123]

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As India gears up to test another nuclear ballistic missile in the coming weeks, a new Chinese spy vessel has begun its movement into the Indian Ocean Region (IOR), raising concerns about heightened surveillance in the area.

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This is becoming frequent.
As these ships are in international waters we cannot execute any direct action during peace time.

The most obvious response would be to retaliate in kind. Send a few intelligence gathering ships near the Chinese coast regularly to harass the PLA.

Another possible action could be to jam the sensitive electronic equipment present on the Chinese ships. Using high power jammers.
Would require specialized ships to undertake the task. A land based coastal jammer would not have the range I guess.
An satellite in space with a DEW gun which will target the Chinese ships.
Feeding false signals etc.Or even Using Directed Energy Weapons on our ships. Using high power microwave weapons to roast the Electronics of the Chinese vessels.
These methods are non kinetic and it would be difficult to hold India responsible.

Or even get a drone swarm to fly over the Chinese ship for a few minutes to confuse the sensors on the ship.Obstruct the view of the optical sensors.
Release chaff by the drones to mislead radars. While we launch the K4 or A5 missile. These tactics will only work for a few minutes I guess.

Firstly will these methods be technically feasible. And maybe the Government would feel it is too provocative.

 

[Blademaster]

This is becoming frequent.
As these ships are in international waters we cannot execute any direct action during peace time.

The most obvious response would be to retaliate in kind. Send a few intelligence gathering ships near the Chinese coast regularly to harass the PLA.

Another possible action could be to jam the sensitive electronic equipment present on the Chinese ships. Using high power jammers.
Would require specialized ships to undertake the task. A land based coastal jammer would not have the range I guess.
An satellite in space with a DEW gun which will target the Chinese ships.
Feeding false signals etc.Or even Using Directed Energy Weapons on our ships. Using high power microwave weapons to roast the Electronics of the Chinese vessels.
These methods are non kinetic and it would be difficult to hold India responsible.

Or even get a drone swarm to fly over the Chinese ship for a few minutes to confuse the sensors on the ship.Obstruct the view of the optical sensors.
Release chaff by the drones to mislead radars. While we launch the K4 or A5 missile. These tactics will only work for a few minutes I guess.

Firstly will these methods be technically feasible. And maybe the Government would feel it is too provocative.

Nah we just give them the old water treatment as they are doing with the Philippines maritime vessels. If they do it to others, we can do it to them.

 

[Master Chief]

China bitching again after Jaishankar termed Chinese claims ludicrous.. Man many in the MEA will be itching to call Tibet as occupied territory.. When did the Han administer NEFA/Arunchal .. Time to call them out on occupying Tibet..

 

[another_armchair]

China bitching again after Jaishankar termed Chinese claims ludicrous.. Man many in the MEA will be itching to call Tibet as occupied territory.. When did the Han administer NEFA/Arunchal .. Time to call them out on occupying Tibet..

We are too chicken to murmur Tibet even in private.

Hope we grow a pair some day where an MEA address would mention Tibet for what it actually is just to rile up the CCP.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

China bitching again after Jaishankar termed Chinese claims ludicrous.. Man many in the MEA will be itching to call Tibet as occupied territory.. When did the Han administer NEFA/Arunchal .. Time to call them out on occupying Tibet..

Now lets talk about Tibet illegaly occupied by china which is a part of India...

 

[mist_consecutive]

China bitching again after Jaishankar termed Chinese claims ludicrous.. Man many in the MEA will be itching to call Tibet as occupied territory.. When did the Han administer NEFA/Arunchal .. Time to call them out on occupying Tibet..

This is kind of getting concerning. Normally China throws out yearly 1-2 rants which are just for their own ego massaging.

But this is not normal. Generally this diplomatic protest is met by action on ground (see South China sea action).

We are too chicken to murmur Tibet even in private.

Hope we grow a pair some day where an MEA address would mention Tibet for what it actually is just to rile up the CCP.

Problem is we were one of the first (cucked) countries to recognize Tibet's annexation by China thanks to the biggest cuck of independent India Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru.

 

[another_armchair]

This is kind of getting concerning. Normally China throws out yearly 1-2 rants which are just for their own ego massaging.

But this is not normal. Generally this diplomatic protest is met by action on ground (see South China sea action).



Problem is we were one of the first (cucked) countries to recognize Tibet's annexation by China thanks to the biggest cuck of independent India Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru.

We could see a short Galwan like skirmish in the run up to elections to embarrass the current Govt.

Well, unlike in the past, at least MEA dishes it back to the bat munchers these days unlike its obedient house butler like conduct during UPA.

Seldom seen an Indian PM visit a small nation like Bhutan before elections. Something is cooking for sure.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

This is becoming frequent.
As these ships are in international waters we cannot execute any direct action during peace time.

The most obvious response would be to retaliate in kind. Send a few intelligence gathering ships near the Chinese coast regularly to harass the PLA.

Another possible action could be to jam the sensitive electronic equipment present on the Chinese ships. Using high power jammers.
Would require specialized ships to undertake the task. A land based coastal jammer would not have the range I guess.
An satellite in space with a DEW gun which will target the Chinese ships.
Feeding false signals etc.Or even Using Directed Energy Weapons on our ships. Using high power microwave weapons to roast the Electronics of the Chinese vessels.
These methods are non kinetic and it would be difficult to hold India responsible.

Or even get a drone swarm to fly over the Chinese ship for a few minutes to confuse the sensors on the ship.Obstruct the view of the optical sensors.
Release chaff by the drones to mislead radars. While we launch the K4 or A5 missile. These tactics will only work for a few minutes I guess.

Firstly will these methods be technically feasible. And maybe the Government would feel it is too provocative.

I actually had the same chaff idea, but your drones idea made it so much better

Take a fishing boat, put 30 drones on it. Go close to the ship

Tie metal coated plastic foil below them (available cheaply)

Fly around the ship, reflections will render any data useless

 

[mist_consecutive]

We could see a short Galwan like skirmish in the run up to elections to embarrass the current Govt.

Well, unlike in the past, at least MEA dishes it back to the bat munchers these days unlike its obedient house butler like conduct during UPA.

Seldom seen an Indian PM visit a small nation like Bhutan before elections. Something is cooking for sure.

This time we could see some land grabbing in Arunachal Pradesh, esp. on remote eastern frontiers where our control is weak.

IMO Modi's visit to Bhutan is not related to border clash at all, but more for Bhutan's economic reforms & benefits.

 

[mist_consecutive]

 

[Tridev123]

I actually had the same chaff idea, but your drones idea made it so much better

Take a fishing boat, put 30 drones on it. Go close to the ship

Tie metal coated plastic foil below them (available cheaply)

Fly around the ship, reflections will render any data useless

Yeah, we can use cheap drone swarms to totally mess up with the performance of the multi million dollars hi-tech equipment on their intelligence gathering ships.
It would give us an window of about 5/10 minutes to launch our test missiles. The Chinese would not be able to collect high value technical data temporarily.
Like almost blinding them temporarily.

Its not an offensive action. More like harassment.

But using an Indian satellite equipped with a DEW to target and jam their systems is more provocative. Probably crossing a red line.

 

[another_armchair]

This time we could see some land grabbing in Arunachal Pradesh, esp. on remote eastern frontiers where our control is weak.

IMO Modi's visit to Bhutan is not related to border clash at all, but more for Bhutan's economic reforms & benefits.

Land grab attempts by Chinese will be attempted by us in reciprocation. Chini's may at best try to capture a lowly manned post or two, take some POWs, do force posturing and go back to status quo.

They cannot afford a long protracted war over territory.

IA & IAF have a long TODO list to punish the Han who have been helpless after Galwan as we repeatedly checkmated them from Ladakh to Arunachal.

Financial package is the first sign of prolonged support. We have committed over 10k crores. Not a small sum at all given the size of Bhutan. It is almost like buying a guarantee that Bhutan should not give its territory for cheap to China which in turn compromises our preparedness & response time.

Integrating Bhutan within India will not work out. Only option for us is to pay them outright and buy land that the Chinese covet for strategic reasons.

 

[Master Chief]

Land grab attempts by Chinese will be attempted by us in reciprocation. Chini's may at best try to capture a lowly manned post or two, take some POWs, do force posturing and go back to status quo.

They cannot afford a long protracted war over territory.

IA & IAF have a long TODO list to punish the Han who have been helpless after Galwan as we repeatedly checkmated them from Ladakh to Arunachal.

Financial package is the first sign of prolonged support. We have committed over 10k crores. Not a small sum at all given the size of Bhutan. It is almost like buying a guarantee that Bhutan should not give its territory for cheap to China which in turn compromises our preparedness & response time.

Integrating Bhutan within India will not work out. Only option for us is to pay them outright and buy land that the Chinese covet for strategic reasons.

Why will integrating Bhutan in the Indian Union not work out.. You are talking about IA manpower not being sufficient to guard Bhutan ?

 

[Master Chief]

This is kind of getting concerning. Normally China throws out yearly 1-2 rants which are just for their own ego massaging.

But this is not normal. Generally this diplomatic protest is met by action on ground (see South China sea action).



Problem is we were one of the first (cucked) countries to recognize Tibet's annexation by China thanks to the biggest cuck of independent India Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru.

There is something that is nagging China.. Think it's about Bhutan related moves by India..

 

[another_armchair]

Why will integrating Bhutan in the Indian Union not work out.. You are talking about IA manpower not being sufficient to guard Bhutan ?

Bhutan will not agree to Indian accession. This is a well and long established truth.

We won't use force to occupy Bhutan. That is also a given.

We can beg/plead but the Butanese are quite content with the present arrangement of being an Indian protectorate at best.

Obvious they don't want 'brown' natives flooding into Bhutan and the biggest migrants could be kanglus and rohingyas for all we know and given bureaucratic & administrative apathy to unchecked migration from Bangladesh and surrounding areas, why would Bhutan risk getting culturally destroyed to irrelevance within a decade?

 

[mist_consecutive]

Bhutan will not agree to Indian accession. This is a well and long established truth.

We won't use force to occupy Bhutan. That is also a given.

We can beg/plead but the Butanese are quite content with the present arrangement of being an Indian protectorate at best.

Obvious they don't want 'brown' natives flooding into Bhutan and the biggest migrants could be kanglus and rohingyas for all we know and given bureaucratic & administrative apathy to unchecked migration from Bangladesh and surrounding areas, why would Bhutan risk getting culturally destroyed to irrelevance within a decade?

What Bhutan can do is become our protectorate state while having an independent government & constitution. Something like J&K was before article 370 rule.

I am a strong believer that with rising Indian power & the option of mutual benefit due to trade & economic coupling, smaller states like Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka should come together to form a joint bloc which has -

• A common military, under Indian control.
• A common currency for trade.
• Independent consitutions like America for each state as they deem fit.

Sri Lanka is already planning to ditch their own currency in favour of ₹ to stablize their economy. Bhutan as we know is a powerless state but can do much more with Indian investment & protection. Same for Nepal. We are civilizational brothers in culture & heritage, shared values and past.

 

[omaebakabaka]

What Bhutan can do is become our protectorate state while having an independent government & constitution. Something like J&K was before article 370 rule.

I am a strong believer that with rising Indian power & the option of mutual benefit due to trade & economic coupling, smaller states like Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka should come together to form a joint bloc which has -

• A common military, under Indian control.
• A common currency for trade.
• Independent consitutions like America for each state as they deem fit.

Sri Lanka is already planning to ditch their own currency in favour of ₹ to stablize their economy. Bhutan as we know is a powerless state but can do much more with Indian investment & protection. Same for Nepal. We are civilizational brothers in culture & heritage, shared values and past.

They can join India at their own peril, should never let the secular traditions of India into their lands. Its a cancer not worth any union.....they should write that 1000 times in red in all written languages of Bharat that secularism has no place and only buddism and hinduism are recognized.

 

[mist_consecutive]

They can join India at their own peril, should never let the secular traditions of India into their lands. Its a cancer not worth any union.....they should write that 1000 times in red in all written languages of Bharat that secularism has no place and only buddism and hinduism are recognized.

Advantages of having a different constitution is that you can have different immigration laws & policis which suits your country (secularism/monarchy/socialist/whatever).

 

[Master Chief]

Advantages of having a different constitution is that you can have different immigration laws & policis which suits your country (secularism/monarchy/socialist/whatever).

Well.. JK had a different constitution and India threw that out in 2019.. India is a Union with a very strong centre, and not a Federation.. Indian constitution was framed that way by our founding fathers.. So, not possible for us to be like America..

 

[another_armchair]

Advantages of having a different constitution is that you can have different immigration laws & policis which suits your country (secularism/monarchy/socialist/whatever).

Our neighbors saw how we abandoned the monarchy of Nepal and it has been a perpetual shitshow since then.

Just as Article 370 was dropped one fine morning, there is no guarantee that whatever Bhutan is promised by the Indian state today w.r.t absolute autonomy in constitution/state policy will not be tinkered with by an Indian Govt 30 years from today when the muslim & other minority population hits 30-40% of India's population.

It is a tightrope that we have to tread very carefully. I think the financial package announced by GoI is a step in the right direction in gaining some confidence among the monarchy & their elite that Bhutan has somebody(read India) to turn to other than China for $$$.