India-China Border conflict

[rockdog]

?? Where is it written it was 3 km inland ?

It was found here - https://www.google.com/maps/search/Dhani+Nallah+beach+andaman/@12.610099,92.9617688,14.11z?entry=ttu

I checked the wind & water current direction, they are correctly flowing from East to West, solidifying my hypothesis that it was washed up and not dropped.

All sides from Burma nation are using Chinese weapon to fight each others.

China on coatal lines faces more serious threats. Our fishermen captured more bizarre things from USA:

 

[Blademaster]

Artillery excercise going on in Ladakh

Are these exercises conducted undert realistic battle conditions and faced against a red force or opforce to stimulate what a real enemy would do in real life?

 

[Azaad]

All sides from Burma nation are using Chinese weapon to fight each others.

China on coatal lines faces more serious threats. Our fishermen captured more bizarre things from USA:



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Your trawlers travel all over the world indulging in bottom trawling depleting & destroying the sea ecosystem & economy of those places you visit. Forget about strange things it's a wonder you haven't fished out a few mines yet . Hope to see you do that soon.

 

[Indrajit]

 

[Austin316]

Recent intrusion by PLA some 1 Km inside our territory trying to bully nomads

 

[Jimih]

Recent intrusion by PLA some 1 Km inside our territory trying to bully nomads

 

[Jimih]

ITBP absent

 

[chalochum]

Looks to be a minor confrontation....but that won't back them down. They'll come with greater force and crude weaponry to bully the local nomads.
ITBP and Army should be on their highest alert esp general election looming large

 

[Crazywithmath]

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#China Is Quietly Expanding Its Land Grabs in the Himalayas As the world worries about an invasion of #Taiwan, Beijing is methodically continuing its seizure of territory in #Bhutan As the U.S. government has spent ever more of its time in recent years preparing to respond to any potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan, Beijing has been busy slicing away parts of the tiny Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan.

Over the last few years, China has built massive infrastructure with hundreds of concrete structures, military posts, and administrative centers in the region of Beyul Khenpajong, some 12,000 feet in the northern Himalayan mountains.

The so-called “hidden valley” is deemed sacred by Bhutanese, with the country’s royal family tracing its ancestral heritage to the area. China’s blatant land grab of Bhutanese territory is just its latest move to control areas of significance in Buddhist culture, exploit a far less resourceful neighbor, and challenge its regional rival India in the Himalayas. China’s expansion in the Beyul was first reported in Foreign Policy in 2021 by Robert Barnett, an expert on Tibet and the China-Bhutan border. Barnett wrote that while China had announced the settlement of a single village called Gyalaphug in the contested valley back in 2015, tens of miles of road and several key military buildings were in place in the Beyul and the neighboring Menchuma Valley by 2021. He spoke to Foreign Policy from Paris last week and said that over the last two years, construction in the valley “more than doubled.”

In his 2021 report, Barnett and his team of researchers spotted 66 miles of new roads, a small hydropower plant, a communications base, five military or police outposts, and a major signals tower, among other edifices, in the Beyul and the Menchuma Valley.

According to a report on an Indian news channel, those scattered buildings now lie in fully established strips of townships with hundreds of multistory structures. The cars parked outside the buildings give the impression that the areas are inhabited, even though in 1998 China agreed with Bhutan to stick to the status quo until a final border settlement could be reached.

Bhutan, however, is a nation of just 800,000 inhabitants and a humble $3 billion economy. It has neither the economic nor the military means to respond to Chinese encroachments. A Chatham House report published last month said that despite the cultural significance of the region, the Bhutanese government has been “powerless to stop Chinese settlement.”

Experts worry that Bhutan may have to cede territory to avoid a confrontation between nuclear-armed India and China. “The new outposts in Bhutan’s remote Jakarlung Valley, part of the Beyul Khenpajong region, may become permanent Chinese territory after an announcement on a border deal between the two countries expected soon,” John Pollock and Damien Symon warned in the Chatham report. The 25th and latest round of talks between Thimphu and Beijing were held in October, four decades after negotiations to resolve the border dispute started.

China claims 495 square kilometers (191 square miles) of territory in north-central Bhutan in the Jakarlung and Pasumlung valleys (Jakarlung is part of the Beyul) and 269 square kilometers (104 square miles) in the Doklam plateau in the west on Bhutan’s border with India. In 2020, China added Sakteng in the east to its list reportedly to seek advantage in negotiations. The fact that China’s claims in Bhutan are based on the assertion that these regions are a part of the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) has left the Tibetans flabbergasted. They are offended that China is pushing forward its imperialist agenda in their name.

Lobsang Sangay, a former Tibetan leader in exile and currently a senior visiting fellow at Harvard Law School’s East Asian legal studies program, said that “history is complex and details matter,” dodging Foreign Policy’s question if Tibetans claim this territory and acknowledge a border dispute with Bhutan. But he added that it was “pretty clear Chinese troops have no right to be in the area because Tibet itself was illegally invaded and continues to be under occupation.”

A Bhutanese source who is aware of the thinking in the Bhutanese government and who spoke to Foreign Policy on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter said Bhutan is desperately trying to “avoid a full-scale war” between New Delhi and Beijing. The Chinese expanded in the Beyul to coerce Bhutan into ceding control of a more strategic area near India, the Doklam plateau, but it has since expanded in both regions and upped the ante without any repercussions or costs. “It’s not surprising that China is claiming Khenpajong and Doklam areas,” Sangay said. “China is implementing what it said in the 1950s, that Tibet is the palm and Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan, and Arunachal are five fingers. First occupy Tibet, then we occupy five fingers,” he added in reference to Mao Zedong’s imperialist vision for three Indian states and Nepal and Bhutan.

Back in the 1990s, Beijing had offered Thimphu a package deal under which it would give up its claim in the northern parts in exchange for Doklam. But Bhutan refused, owing to deep historic and economic ties with India. (Some 70 percent of Bhutanese imports come from India, the local currency is pegged to the Indian rupee, and India controlled Bhutanese foreign affairs under a treaty signed in 1949 that was replaced with a much lighter version only in 2007.) Bhutan believes that refusal led to Chinese expansion in its sacred areas. “This is basically a price Bhutan is paying for not budging over the demand on the western sector and because border talks dragged on for too long,” the Bhutanese source said. “That is what China is making us pay for.”

In 2017, India and China nearly went to war as Chinese soldiers tried to extend a road from Chumbi Valley in the TAR to Doklam, all the way to the Jampheri ridge, which offers a direct view to the Siliguri corridor—India’s Achilles’s heel. It connects the rest of India to seven federal states in the northeast and is just 14 miles wide, which makes it militarily easy to sever. If China gets access to the Jampheri ridge, it can better surveil the Siliguri corridor, often dubbed the “chicken’s neck,” and have huge leverage over India. The tense standoff finally subsided as the Chinese stepped back, but that didn’t stop China from further expanding in Doklam. China built a whole village called Pangda inside the plateau, at a distance of just a few miles from the key ridge. “There is a stalemate with a large number of Indian troops stationed in the area,” Sangay said. “But the Chinese have built major infrastructure with a permanent helipad and army camp. They are there to stay. Bhutan is under tremendous pressure to compromise, which means to give strategic advantage to Chinese troops.”

Nobody feels more pressure than Bhutan, but a denial in 2020 by the Bhutanese ambassador to India, Vetsop Namgyel, that “there is no Chinese village inside Bhutan” rang alarm bells in New Delhi and caused suspicion that Bhutan, India’s closest ally in South Asia, may have decided to hand over Doklam, or at least parts of it, to China. There are signs that Indian faith in its firm relations with Bhutan is wavering.

Even though New Delhi never directly questioned Bhutan’s intentions, experts feel it deployed the Indian media to insinuate that Bhutan may have shut its eyes to Chinese construction in Doklam. There are concerns in India that the urge to put an end to Chinese encroachment and to expand its economy may encourage Bhutan to open up to China. S.D. Muni, a former diplomat and professor emeritus at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, said that according to his Bhutanese friends, a third of Bhutanese consumer imports already come from China via third nations.

On their part, the Bhutanese say such mistrust is unwarranted. They maintain they will never sell out India’s strategic interests and emphasize the importance of resolving the border dispute with China, even if that comes with establishing diplomatic ties with Beijing, which Thimphu has thus far resisted. New Delhi finds the prospect of a Chinese embassy in Thimphu unappetizing and fears sharing if not losing influence over Bhutan. Worse, if China entraps Bhutan into taking expensive loans in the future, it could coerce Bhutan into giving up control of Doklam. (Bhutan has remained out of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road Initiative.) Bhutan, however, may be able to balance out any future Chinese influence by also opening up ties with other main powers, notably the United States.

Bhutan, often described as the last Shangri-La, has deliberately stayed away from establishing diplomatic ties with any of the main powers in its quest to stay equidistant and not irk the Chinese. It may be time to change that, said the Bhutanese source, who felt that opening up to the United States may serve Bhutan’s interests. “It now seems to be a widespread view in Bhutan that formal relations with its northern neighbor cannot be endlessly delayed,” Barnett added. “But we can be fairly sure that if Bhutan accepts a Chinese embassy in Thimphu, it will invite the U.S. and the other main powers to formalize relations with it, too.”

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[mist_consecutive]

 

[mcpo117]

we need to trail that sucker and harass them with jammers and other means of doohickey.

 

[Hari Sud]

Chinese initial enthusiasm to grab territory in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh is over. They are in a no go state now. With bulk of 50,000 Indian troops face to face with Chinese, they have been outmaneuvered. Indian accurate missiles can reach their rear where a bulk of their rocket force is located and destroy it. That will leave no offensive capability with them. Hence on Chinese side, caution is the word least they face defeat.

All this possible with infrastructure and Indian roads to remote areas of border reaching the bulk of Chinese deployment.

With all this military balance and Pakistan very near to bankruptcy again since last IMF loan induction, the Chinese are loosing interest in Pakistan.

For Chinese the Taiwan invasion is also no go. That makes that Chinese expansionism is at a ‘Stand Still’.

With a few more economic jolts to China, they may begin to seek accommodation with India. If that at all happen, it may happen in next 3 to 5 years.

 

[hurrians]

China occupied Tibet and ladakh when it was in far greater economic distress, they continue to hold territory that's claimed by us.
recent landgrab was not done in Nehrus era.

Delhi is nearer to ladakh than Beijing or their eastern cities.

They are not going to accommodate anything, we have to take by force, our current capabilities need massive upgradation for that to happen and our dependance on them for trade (although mutual) should be removed.

 

[mokoman]

ITBP absent

been happening for decades , chinese pushed us out at some places . we had grazing land beyond the indus river at some places. we got pushed out from there .

there was a big standoff or some clash episode during upa era , there is a video of chidambram giving interview to some journo telling 'everything is fine' - at some point we accepted it as new reality.

 

[mokoman]

Chinese initial enthusiasm to grab territory in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh is over. They are in a no go state now. With bulk of 50,000 Indian troops face to face with Chinese, they have been outmaneuvered. Indian accurate missiles can reach their rear where a bulk of their rocket force is located and destroy it. That will leave no offensive capability with them. Hence on Chinese side, caution is the word least they face defeat.

All this possible with infrastructure and Indian roads to remote areas of border reaching the bulk of Chinese deployment.

With all this military balance and Pakistan very near to bankruptcy again since last IMF loan induction, the Chinese are loosing interest in Pakistan.

For Chinese the Taiwan invasion is also no go. That makes that Chinese expansionism is at a ‘Stand Still’.

With a few more economic jolts to China, they may begin to seek accommodation with India. If that at all happen, it may happen in next 3 to 5 years.

they are pushing in SCS , phillipines will most likely get kicked out of thomas shoal . doesnt seem like even US is interested in helping philipines ,

another area is Bhutan , nicely fucking them now , all the Bhutanese area china took over will effectively become Chinese land once border negotation is concluded.

AP will become active once our frontier road construction has started . they have better access to LAC there . hopefully we will escalate in middle sector where they are weak . take over tibetan lands

 

[mist_consecutive]

Opposition paid shills activated on behalf of their masters.

 

[mokoman]

Opposition paid shills activated on behalf of their masters.

imho some clarification is good . BJP did same thing in 2013 . that famous speech of then defense minister ak antony talking about previous "no roads at lac" policy is from parliament discussion.

 

[mist_consecutive]

imho some clarification is good . BJP did same thing in 2013 . that famous speech of then defense minister ak antony talking about previous "no roads at lac" policy is from parliament discussion.

Yes, discussion is good. Opposition should pressurize Govt. for being so opaque regarding national defence. Lack of a strong oppostion has BJP doing whatever they can (hide their failures/lethargy) and cover up.

At least, GoI should come clean on the situation on LAC (LAC violations, armed clashes, etc.) and put up the mischief's of China on global front. I have no idea why we are playing with China and hiding their aggression when we should have over-exaggerated them to the world media.

 

[mokoman]

another top quality from gokhale , better than chinese ccp lac vids .

Yes, discussion is good. Opposition should pressurize Govt. for being so opaque regarding national defence. Lack of a strong oppostion has BJP doing whatever they can (hide their failures/lethargy) and cover up.

At least, GoI should come clean on the situation on LAC (LAC violations, armed clashes, etc.) and put up the mischief's of China on global front. I have no idea why we are playing with China and hiding their aggression when we should have over-exaggerated them to the world media.

personally would like to see govt release map with all new LAC roads . shit load of work going on . only near complete map i seen is one made by that chinese guy

 

[shade]

Yes, discussion is good. Opposition should pressurize Govt. for being so opaque regarding national defence. Lack of a strong oppostion has BJP doing whatever they can (hide their failures/lethargy) and cover up.

At least, GoI should come clean on the situation on LAC (LAC violations, armed clashes, etc.) and put up the mischief's of China on global front. I have no idea why we are playing with China and hiding their aggression when we should have over-exaggerated them to the world media.

Because nobody would give a shit in the W*st, they are not interested in China as they are in Iran and Russia.
What effect this would happen is that it would make us seems weak both to internal and external audiences.

Which we are in terms of equipment and industry, not denying this.

There is also the matter of our "western allies" who leave no stone unturned to slide a dagger into our backs, you never know when this will become intolerable and we will have to make batti with China to atleast close-off one "front".

You don't want to be in the Nazi Germany scenario where you are banged from both sides, or the Saddam's Iraq or Yugoslavia scenario where gora comes to bang you but you have no pals who would stick with you.