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We will likely lose land in Aksai chin. It’s important we don’t in NE
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We have already lost Aksai Chin but we will most likely lose any access to Karakoram Pass (if we haven't already) our Gateway to Xinjiang in a initial assault.
We are not that well placed in SSN.
We will do well in North East I think.
Eastern Ladakh will be a struggle any territory lost would be very tough to recover.
 

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We will likely lose land in Aksai chin. It’s important we don’t in NE
We have already lost Aksai Chin but we will most likely lose any access to Karakoram Pass (if we haven't already) our Gateway to Xinjiang in a initial assault.
We are not that well placed in SSN.
We will do well in North East I think.
Eastern Ladakh will be a struggle any territory lost would be very tough to recover.
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You have a worst case scenario painted. To some extent you could be right if it was 1962. No, it is not 1962. There are sufficient number Indian troops in Depsang and Daulet Beg Oldi crescent to deny Chinese any advantage. Chinese are not as powerful as you think. Chinese have a disadvantage which is that their main road in Akashi Chin is in the vicinity and within tube artillery and Smerch and other rocket range. Guess what will happen to their prestige if India blocks that road. Hence they would not even try but intimidate only.
 

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We will likely lose land in Aksai chin. It’s important we don’t in NE
We have already lost Aksai Chin but we will most likely lose any access to Karakoram Pass (if we haven't already) our Gateway to Xinjiang in a initial assault.
We are not that well placed in SSN.
We will do well in North East I think.
Eastern Ladakh will be a struggle any territory lost would be very tough to recover.
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We are at a geographical disadvantage.

We lack firepower advantage

They have a far better logistic system.

Fact is In any clash in a patrol area where there’s no Indian post will result in a Chinese victory.

It’s better to just give up on Aksai Chin and focus on consolidating what we have instead of trying to dominate alogisticaly superior enemy, until we can amass a significantfirepower advantage.

Else we will be in for a rude awakening,

welcome to reality.
 

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We have already lost Aksai Chin but we will most likely lose any access to Karakoram Pass (if we haven't already) our Gateway to Xinjiang in a initial assault.
We are not that well placed in SSN.
We will do well in North East I think.
Eastern Ladakh will be a struggle any territory lost would be very tough to recover.
You have a worst case scenario painted. To some extent you could be right if it was 1962. No, it is not 1962. There are sufficient number Indian troops in Depsang and Daulet Beg Oldi crescent to deny Chinese any advantage. Chinese are not as powerful as you think. Chinese have a disadvantage which is that their main road in Akashi Chin is in the vicinity and within tube artillery and Smerch and other rocket range. Guess what will happen to their prestige if India blocks that road. Hence they would not even try but intimidate only.
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How about the logistics, firepower, etc? Chinese have an advnatbe everywhere in east Ladakh. They were able to encroach in pangong tso patrolled territory because of poor logistics on the Indian side.

Reality is trying to dominate PLA in salami slicing without proper logistics is a fatal move. We will indeed lose all the land we patrol in case of an all out conflict. Unless we support the troops logistically
 

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You have a worst case scenario painted. To some extent you could be right if it was 1962. No, it is not 1962. There are sufficient number Indian troops in Depsang and Daulet Beg Oldi crescent to deny Chinese any advantage. Chinese are not as powerful as you think. Chinese have a disadvantage which is that their main road in Akashi Chin is in the vicinity and within tube artillery and Smerch and other rocket range. Guess what will happen to their prestige if India blocks that road. Hence they would not even try but intimidate only.
How about the logistics, firepower, etc? Chinese have an advnatbe everywhere in east Ladakh. They were able to encroach in pangong tso patrolled territory because of poor logistics on the Indian side.

Reality is trying to dominate PLA in salami slicing without proper logistics is a fatal move. We will indeed lose all the land we patrol in case of an all out conflict. Unless we support the troops logistically
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Three years back when they used an excuse of exercise and occupied our area but that is not possible any more. We are on heights waiting for them to come so that we can make minced meat of them. Our fire power with new infrastructure is better than their.
 

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How about the logistics, firepower, etc? Chinese have an advnatbe everywhere in east Ladakh. They were able to encroach in pangong tso patrolled territory because of poor logistics on the Indian side.

Reality is trying to dominate PLA in salami slicing without proper logistics is a fatal move. We will indeed lose all the land we patrol in case of an all out conflict. Unless we support the troops logistically
Three years back when they used an excuse of exercise and occupied our area but that is not possible any more. We are on heights waiting for them to come so that we can make minced meat of them. Our fire power with new infrastructure is better than their.
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Listen to the man in charge of Kailash Range occupation by Indian troops. He tells you that Chinese have no advantage.

 

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So I just found something that should have never been posted online, but needless to say the Indian army was being proactive in 2019
 

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So I just found something that should have never been posted online, but needless to say the Indian army was being proactive in 2019
My advice to you is that don’t become a victim of Chinese propaganda. They are never truthful. They buy influence except that, now they are short on cash hence payments may not be as big as before.
 

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So I just found something that should have never been posted online, but needless to say the Indian army was being proactive in 2019
It’s a special order of a battalion. Won’t elaborate as it’s restricted info but the pla have done a number propagnda on us
 

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What happens if China wants to test the Indian military resolve?

A fight in the Himalayas would be welcomed by both India and Chinese militaries. If that happens then India will test the overstated Chinese military resolve. Putting the same perspective, it will test India’s military preparations also.

In the past 10 years, the Chinese have played their ancient board game of “Weiqi” in the Himalayas where you do not knock your opponent out but bit by bit move forward to grab an advantage. In India, it is called ‘salami slicing'.

Are the Chinese prepared to fight an Indian army well prepared for the Himalayas? I guess not if they are playing the Weiqi game. Most Indian military observers and commanders have confirmed that the current Chinese numbers in Tibet and Sinkiang do not permit the Chinese to launch a military attack. Also, their firepower advantage has been sufficiently neutralized. Their total military strength has grown from 250,000 to 350,000 in the past decade. India has a similar strength in the Himalayas. As for Ladakh, India has most of the advantages, with the exception of the completion of part of the infrastructure network. Otherwise the Chinese have no advantage.

Indian infrastructure build up is good and near completion. India has a bigger AirPower advantage as its bases are at a lower elevation. On the other hand the Chinese airbases are at a higher elevation, hence cannot take off with a full load of fuel and bombs. Their vulnerability is increased by that.

Their much touted rocket force is too numerous and all built to confront the US at sea. Their DF-15, DF-17, DF-21 have the range to fire at a distance 500 to 1500km respectively and are not battlefield missiles. These are useless in the mountains and valley(s) in the Himalayas. Moreover the Indian position is all on the reverse side of the mountains, hence not possible for rockets to target Indian positions accurately. India has much more flexible missiles in Parlay short range battlefield missiles, Brahmos high speed and high maneuver missile and Prithvi medium range missiles, etc. Also, India outmatches the Chinese in long range artillery. Almost everything of military value Chinese have been within the artillery range.

From soldier to soldier, the Indians are better trained and acclimatised to the mountains. Chinese boys are plains boys who come to fulfill their college entry requirements.

The Chinese invincibility propaganda is often paid for. Their military has not been tested since 1979, when they lost miserably in Vietnam, despite claiming victory. Whenever they threaten to invade Taiwan, they restrain themselves. Reasons, they are not sure of victory. If victory does not come, then they have a loss of prestige, that is not acceptable to the Chinese. In comparison, India has fought a large scale war in 1965, 1971 and 1999. India is fully trained for the war.

As a result, we must abandon the notion of Chinese advantage. Well, there isn't one. Much of their military is tied to the East, facing Taiwan, Japan, and the US, etc.
 

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I see we are all presenting possible scenarios. But one of the underlying mistakes that we make is not to capture enemy territory to negotiate a return of our lands. This is precisely what gave the Chinese the advantage in 1962 when they moved into eastern Ladakh while we did not capture Chumbi valley.

Capturing Chumbi Valley in a modern war could have a devastating blow on the morale of the opposing side as they would lose a critical vantage point into the Siliguri Corridor. Sikkim is a fortress sans the S-400s, that will make the job of capturing the valley much easier than the last time. Also, it will be a meat grinder for PLA units entering.

Chinese know this weakness. The only place where they have some advantage is a strong standoff capability that they will exploit by lobbing short and medium-range rockets from standoff distances to avoid taking heavy casualties. That is perhaps the reason why IA moved so many tanks and armoured vehicles as well as towed howitzers there.
 

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What a display of cuckoldry, Bhutan should have been assimilated long time back like Sikkim and made autonomous except for defence and foreign affairs. Same with Nepal, but that ship sailed.
We chose to be Indians.

Bhutanese may not be so open today as they get better treatment as our vassals than being a part of us.

We need to stop treating them with kid gloves and remind them that diversifying away from us in a way that threatens our national security will have dire consequences. Perhaps change their current PM to someone more pliant.
 

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this is just northern part , i think there will be more rounds of talks , they gonna give up a lot except for doklam and settle the border once and for all

IMHO its good strategy .
Resolving border dispute with China is like offering hens to coyotes in hope the coyote will get satisfied. They won’t, they will come back for more.
 
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