India-China Border conflict

[mist_consecutive]

Even if we had lost it, no subsequent efforts were taken by the goverment to gain it back

The enemy sitting at the top, we are at the bottom. Kargil redux again?

Didn't I say the same thing though? We lack good connectivity between f3 and f4. The road between f3 and f4 seem to be mud road whereas china has made pretty decent road which comes upto f4 from f8.
I know about major dhan Singh thapa post. It is in f3 location and well garrisoned. We are well connected upto finger 3 in north bank of pangong tao. After finger 3 the issue starts

No, I think the confusion comes because you think the PLAGF was occupying F4. No, they were occupying the entire ridge of F4 to F3.

If you look at the positions strategically, any counter-attack from our side has to be started from either the ridge of F3 or F2 (which actually happened). Whether we had connectivity to F4 meant nothing once the ridge was captured.

 

[mokoman]

That video wherein the Chinese soldier has been kicked down the hill, has anyone seen that before?

I remember a video in which CCP men were atop a hill & throwing stones at Indian soldiers below.

Is this a new release but part of the old video that was withheld? If this is unseen till now, timing is interesting - G20 & their demand for Depsang? Are they (CCP) trying something at border?

yea , same place and video . they already released last portion .

 

[Augustus]

No, I think the confusion comes because you think the PLAGF was occupying F4. No, they were occupying the entire ridge of F4 to F3.

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If you look at the positions strategically, any counter-attack from our side has to be started from either the ridge of F3 or F2 (which actually happened). Whether we had connectivity to F4 meant nothing once the ridge was captured.

Yeah. I was under the assumption that chinese only captured the f4 peak. Didn't expect they spread that wide.

You are right. To somewhat counter that India needed to take over the ridges of f2 and f3 at the least.

 

[vidhwanshak]

 

[TopWatcher]

Yeah. I was under the assumption that chinese only captured the f4 peak. Didn't expect they spread that wide.

You are right. To somewhat counter that India needed to take over the ridges of f2 and f3 at the least.

Even today not clear, f3,f4 belongs to whom china or india ??

 

[Jimih]

Even today not clear, f3,f4 belongs to whom china or india ??

Finger 3 is with India. A/q to IA we have roads only upto finger 3 and the Chinese have roads upto finger 4 so it is much easier for them to stop our on-foot patrols.

Chinese were intercepted between fingers 4 and 3 during 2020 clashes.


This is the map before disengagement.

 

[mist_consecutive]

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No visible troop movement I noticed, probably some over-enthusiastic patrol party.

 

[Spadex]

Hui hui hui found a information goldmine on chinese special operation forces and capabilities. They are impressive but inexperienced

Will write a article / thread about them soon

 

[TopWatcher]

Finger 3 is with India. A/q to IA we have roads only upto finger 3 and the Chinese have roads upto finger 4 so it is much easier for them to stop our on-foot patrols.

Chinese were intercepted between fingers 4 and 3 during 2020 clashes.


This is the map before disengagement.

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We lost major chunk of lake.

 

[Augustus]

We lost major chunk of lake.

Not really. Upto Finger 3 is our last millitary base there. That is still under our control. We did compromised it almost when China took over the Finger 4 ridgeline (you can check mist_consecutive's comment for visuals) but our jawans did some maneuvering in the south bank of pangong tso to get advantageous positions against chinese garrisons on the southern bank . We got a disengagement from them afterwards. We moved to F 3 which was anyway our furthest base . They moved beyond finger 8.

We never had much control over" major chunk of the lake in the first place". Except going to f5-6 at most once in a while only to get stopled there. China has good roads which lead upto finger 4. They can very quickly stop our patrolling befote we reach the furthest fingers.

 

[TopWatcher]

Not really. Upto Finger 3 is our last millitary base there. That is still under our control. We did compromised it almost when China took over the Finger 4 ridgeline (you can check mist_consecutive's comment for visuals) but our jawans did some maneuvering in the south bank of pangong tso to get advantageous positions against chinese garrisons on the southern bank . We got a disengagement from them afterwards. We moved to F 3 which was anyway our furthest base . They moved beyond finger 8.

We never had much control over" major chunk of the lake in the first place". Except going to f5-6 at most once in a while only to get stopled there. China has good roads which lead upto finger 4. They can very quickly stop our patrolling befote we reach the furthest fingers.

Then why we didn't make road till F4 ? or Is there any plan now.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Then why we didn't make road till F4 ? or Is there any plan now.

The terrain doesn’t allow to build a road unless you blast and cut the ridge of F4.

 

[Jimih]

Then why we didn't make road till F4 ? or Is there any plan now.

Our blacktopped roads ends at the ITBP post and from Finger 3 we have a small road that abruptly gets cut by this rock mountain near Finger 4.

Beyond this point we cannot take vehicles and depend on foot patrols and this is how we do it.

Chinese don't have these issues because they had clandestinely build a road upto the Finger 4.

 

[TopWatcher]

Our blacktopped roads ends at the ITBP post and from Finger 3 we have a small road that abruptly gets cut by this rock mountain near Finger 4.
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Beyond this point we cannot take vehicles and depend on foot patrols and this is how we do it.
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Chinese don't have these issues because they had clandestinely build a road upto the Finger 4.

It depends really we want to do or not. Mountains can be cut at that point. Road can be made, BRO made even toughest roads.

 

[AnantS]

It depends really we want to do or not. Mountains can be cut at that point. Road can be made, BRO made even toughest roads.

blasting rocks near flash point not a good idea mate. I doubt even chinese did that in recent years

 

[mist_consecutive]

Hui hui hui found a information goldmine on chinese special operation forces and capabilities. They are impressive but inexperienced

Will write a article / thread about them soon View attachment 206861

Awesome find ! Please post the entire document if you can !

It depends really we want to do or not. Mountains can be cut at that point. Road can be made, BRO made even toughest roads.

Since the Chinese claimed territory till F1, they won't allow any road-building activity and will likely lead to another bloody clash if not an all-out Skirmish.

We lost major chunk of lake.

We didn't lose any lake, both sides still patrol till F4 (and sometimes beyond) on patrol boats. Ground troops till now have respected the buffer zone.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Wishes without a plan to achieve them are just dreams.

 

[Augustus]

Wishes without a plan to achieve them are just dreams.

Depsang Bulge is a gone case. They are very well entrenched around the y junction. We aren't going to see the patrolling points ever again without a major kinetic push. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[shade]

I will say such presumption is not backed by any sane fact, and can be dangerous. China has economy, military and motivation to carry larger attacks such as capturing DBO which is infact pretty vulnerable.

They will keep getting emboldened and push the threshold further the more they are obliged by us with our tails between our legs and doing chai-biscoot after every provocation.
It is less about their capability but the fact that they know we will do nothing in response.

Meanwhile Genrols, babooze, DRDO worshippers of bob & vagene and politicucks all keep foot dragging over the MFRA program, Tejas delivery, replacement for BMP-2, WhAp/Kestrel large orders and god knows what else.I don't even know what is the status of the AK-203 manufacture in Amethi OFB .

Eventually we will be forced to give them a response, but in a shooting war where is our MIC? Will Gobi have to go to foreign lands with a begging bowl for (((emergency procurements))) like Zalimsky of Hoholistan does today?

Every year that passes the gap between us and the ching chongs widens, economy and military also.
Every year the dhotis, trousers and pyjamas of our govt elites also shiver ever more intensely about the possibility of escalation with the 10 foot chinaman.

 

[Love Charger]

They will keep getting emboldened and push the threshold further the more they are obliged by us with our tails between our legs and doing chai-biscoot after every provocation.
It is less about their capability but the fact that they know we will do nothing in response.

Meanwhile Genrols, babooze, DRDO worshippers of bob & vagene and politicucks all keep foot dragging over the MFRA program, Tejas delivery, replacement for BMP-2, WhAp/Kestrel large orders and god knows what else.I don't even know what is the status of the AK-203 manufacture in Amethi OFB .

Eventually we will be forced to give them a response, but in a shooting war where is our MIC? Will Gobi have to go to foreign lands with a begging bowl for (((emergency procurements))) like Zalimsky of Hoholistan does today?

Every year that passes the gap between us and the ching chongs widens, economy and military also.
Every year the dhotis, trousers and pyjamas of our govt elites also shiver ever more intensely about the possibility of escalation with the 10 foot chinaman.

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