India-China Border conflict

[Abdus Salem killed]

Indians and Indian media have gone on to say that US intel reports suggest around 45 chinese soldiers KIA, whereas Pentagons report says unknown number of chinese soldiers KIA

They really said unknown not four link pls that means the Chinese are hiding some of only goi does something

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

The Current State of Play. As of June 2021, the PRC and India continue to maintain large-scale deployments along the LAC and make preparations to sustain these forces while disengagement negotiations have made limited progress. Beginning in May 2020, the PLA launched incursions into customarily Indian-controlled territory across the border and has concentrated troops at several standoff locations along the LAC. In addition, a substantial reserve force from the Tibet and Xinjiang Military Districts were deployed to the interior of Western China to provide a rapid response. The June 2020 skirmish in Galwan Valley, which led to the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers, marked the first loss of life on the LAC since 1975. In February 2021, the Central Military Commission (CMC) announced posthumous awards for four PLA soldiers, though the total number of PRC casualties remains unknown.

@mist_consecutive

 

[The Shrike]

Official video content

The video though mostly shows China's Smerch copy (which is limited to 300mm rockets of range of 70-120km AFAIK) and not the newer PLC-191. Again a reminder that it takes years to develop make and deploy weapons systems in numbers, just because it's available on brochure does not mean its available on the ground - and its applicable to both PLA and us.

 

[captscooby81]

How are we going to counter chinese SRBM or MRBM if shit hits the roof . they can literally launch 100s of them in conventional format and we have all nuclear capable ones and in very little numebers . Do we have ample SRBM options to counter attack ?

 

[maximus777]

How are we going to counter chinese SRBM or MRBM if shit hits the roof . they can literally launch 100s of them in conventional format and we have all nuclear capable ones and in very little numebers . Do we have ample SRBM options to counter attack ?

Hit where the impact can be maximized - a salvo of rockets or a single Brahmos on 3 gorges dam

 

[Alien_cat26]

The video though mostly shows China's Smerch copy (which is limited to 300mm rockets of range of 70-120km AFAIK) and not the newer PLC-191. Again a reminder that it takes years to develop make and deploy weapons systems in numbers, just because it's available on brochure does not mean its available on the ground - and its applicable to both PLA and us.

PLC-191 service in 2019

 

[The Shrike]

PLC-191 service in 2019

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Yes, but how many do they have TODAY? Platforms and rockets - is that number available?

 

[mokoman]

Indians and Indian media have gone on to say that US intel reports suggest around 45 chinese soldiers KIA, whereas Pentagons report says unknown number of chinese soldiers KIA

45 is something indian media came up with . repeated by TASS

IA northern command incharge already said we sighted 60 PLA injured being carried off in stretcher.

nobody except chinese know how many of those 60 died , only that "maybe" its around 45.

 

[The Shrike]

Here's the link BTW to the "2021 China Military Power Report".

https://media.defense.gov/2021/Nov/03/2002885874/-1/-1/0/2021-CMPR-FINAL.PDF

 

[The Shrike]

45 is something indian media came up with . repeated by TASS

IA northern command incharge already said we sighted 60 PLA injured being carried off in stretcher.

nobody except chinese know how many of those 60 died , only that "maybe" its around 45.

Very simply its a "Pics or it didn’t happen" situation now . Sooner or later the "legacy" issue narrative will also collapse in the MSM, might as well release what ever you have.

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

Very simply its a "Pics or it didn’t happen" situation now . Sooner or later the "legacy" issue narrative will also collapse in the MSM, might as well release what ever you have.

At least release the pics of the two boys that came searching for a yak

 

[Alien_cat26]

45 is something indian media came up with . repeated by TASS

IA northern command incharge already said we sighted 60 PLA injured being carried off in stretcher.

nobody except chinese know how many of those 60 died , only that "maybe" its around 45.

In a long and narrow canyon, how to observe it from a single angle and accurately get the number to be 60?
According to understanding, it was night when the conflict ended, and 10 hours had passed until the morning of the 16th. If the wounded stayed where they were, it would be impossible to get the best medical care. The 17 soldiers in India died because of this. Low temperature, hypoxia and injury can be fatal if staying there for more than 3 hours.

 

[mokoman]

In a long and narrow canyon, how to observe it from a single angle and accurately get the number to be 60?
According to understanding, it was night when the conflict ended, and 10 hours had passed until the morning of the 16th. If the wounded stayed where they were, it would be impossible to get the best medical care. The 17 soldiers in India died because of this. Low temperature, hypoxia and injury can be fatal if staying there for more than 3 hours.

its fair point , my understanding is indian soldiers had occupied heights above galwan 3 weeks back , purely for observing the PLA posts below , the valley is narrow , injured will be take on stretcher via a small path.
something like a stretcher can be counted easily.

the whole PLA deaths were low due to better medical care "oxygen chambers" , "thermal drones" , is just propaganda they came up with.

 

[Thundering13th]

If anyone is wondering the location, it is 27.76409505798408, 92.01581243638874

How did you find the coordinates? Btw looks pretty accurate location of gen area Yangtze. Good job

 

[Alien_cat26]

its fair point , my understanding is indian soldiers had occupied heights above galwan 3 weeks back , purely for observing the PLA posts below , the valley is narrow , injured will be take on stretcher via a small path.
something like a stretcher can be counted easily.

the whole PLA deaths were low due to better medical care "oxygen chambers" , "thermal drones" , is just propaganda they came up with.

You only quoted a military person, but Indian defense never mentioned it. At present, most people in India just make inferences on the basis of "the Chinese government has concealed it." All the films from China will be released soon, which will never help Indians to find the truth.

 

[mist_consecutive]

How did you find the coordinates? Btw looks pretty accurate location of gen area Yangtze. Good job

Well you know, I am kind of a satellite image expert

@mokoman is my student

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

You only quoted a military person, but Indian defense never mentioned it. At present, most people in India just make inferences on the basis of "the Chinese government has concealed it." All the films from China will be released soon, which will never help Indians to find the truth.

I would really like to see how 60 pla beat or is it 120 can never tell beat 700 indians
by your own admission that should have been the ratio as indians ran away from from the mighty pla even though they outnumbered them 7:1 again a Chinese source
Let's see
@mokoman @mist_consecutive

 

[Alien_cat26]

I would really like to see how 60 pla beat or is it 120 can never tell beat 700 Chinese by your admission
Let's see

do you think this is a football match? The numbers game should be stopped, people on both sides died as a result

 

[saneel2014]

I would really like to see how 60 pla beat or is it 120 can never tell beat 700 indians
by your own admission that should have been the ratio as indians ran away from from the mighty pla even though they outnumbered them 7:1 again a Chinese source
Let's see
@mokoman @mist_consecutive

Well, if they did manage to capture a large amount of IA personnel, including some ranking officers, and consolidated their position on galwan triangle, something did went horribly wrong there.

 

[shiphone]

1.this is a Multiple rocket launcher systems...so it won't be 'PLC' but PHL...the 'PHL-191' here.

2. '400 vs 700' is closer to the fact at that night...for a 'cold weapon 'confrontation on that Special terrain, such quantity variance seems to be not very crucial...lol.