India-China Border conflict

[mokoman]

What happens to fighter jets at high altitudes. I thought most of them are certified to operate at such heights?

At high altitudes air is thin so jets and helicopters cant take off with full load (fuel / bombs / missiles)

also seen reports that Chinese jet engines are shit and cant fly at high altitudes or something .

 

[THESIS THORON]

 

[JBH22]

At high altitudes air is thin so jets and helicopters cant take off with full load (fuel / bombs / missiles)

also seen reports that Chinese jet engines are shit and cant fly at high altitudes or something .

Just to give you an idea, the famed Mi 24 during the Soviet Afghan war used to taxi like planes on runway for take off due to thin air. Thinner air has an impact on air intake for engine, hence there is a trade off btw weapon load and fuel.
But Chinese PLAAF could take off with full load and refuel with tankers, so this limitation can be overcome.

One thing Russian campaign showed us, the attacking force will lob in volleys of tactical and cruise missile.
So need to survive the onslaught, seeing the airbase of India, most of time the planes are just left in open space.

 

[mokoman]

Just to give you an idea, the famed Mi 24 during the Soviet Afghan war used to taxi like planes on runway for take off due to thin air. Thinner air has an impact on air intake for engine, hence there is a trade off btw weapon load and fuel.
But Chinese PLAAF could take off with full load and refuel with tankers, so this limitation can be overcome.

One thing Russian campaign showed us, the attacking force will lob in volleys of tactical and cruise missile.
So need to survive the onslaught, seeing the airbase of India, most of time the planes are just left in open space.

seen pics of our helicopters in eastern ladakh flying stripped down .

with cloth seats to increase payload.

will be interesting once Chinese have enough of their new air tankers .

no more hiding behind 'high altitude low payload' line

 

[rone]

all i have to say "just lol", people who use others tools became APT
one thing is sure the china really lacks behind unearth sophisticated cyber operations not even scratch the surface, they calling skid espionage done by several hundred dollar worth 3rd tire skid tools APT
ps: all the tools they specified in the article can be purchased in total of 200 usd

Bonus for those who searching for advanced tool used by so called APT team lol

 

[mist_consecutive]

I have mentioned it on some other thread but they don't like being dependent on China.
If the G2 partner of China would only behave itself and it's 20 or so vassals and let the Burmese junta run the country peacefully, they wouldn't be forced to sit on Uncle Xi's lap.
Instead continuous regime change attempts in that country, sanctions and sustained global isolation campaigns which make them too radioactive even for us.

Situation critical in Myanmar with mounting resistance to military junta

The mounting anti-military junta resistance in Myanmar is accompanied by rising anti-China sentiment in the country.

www.hindustantimes.com

meanwhile, apparently the "resistance forces" are also anti-China.

It is radioactive for both China and us, in that case. Pakistan is well under the thumbs of the Pakistani military, yet see how some desert-dwelling terrorists are making keema of Chinese and Pakistani forces. Myanmar is guerrilla warfare's heaven, sustaining Chinese supply lines in Myanmar will be too far-fetched.

Also, did I mention we can just nuke Myanmar and call it a day?

As they get more air ro air refueling capabilities they abilities to conduct operations in our NE will substantially increase, it's only a matter of time.

Agreed, we are also building reciprocal capabilities in that sector.

Also IMO Myanmar (and Nepal + bhutan) will be mostly mute spectators, they don't really have any ability to stop either of the big boys while they duke it out.

That will be the most ideal. Small powers taking sides will ensure it becomes the next Poland.

 

[mist_consecutive]

What happens to fighter jets at high altitudes. I thought most of them are certified to operate at such heights?

Well, the case is, at such altitudes, you need a minimum speed to maintain enough lift to not stall. Maneuvers and other things require even higher relative speed to the wing.

So, the higher the altitude, thinner the air, greater the stall speed. Now, the problem does not end here. Due to the high variability of temperature throughout the day (freezing cold at night and ~20 deg. in day), combined with humidity conditions, the density of air keeps on changing dynamically, which cause erratic lift patterns, especially for aircraft with a low aerofoil (fighter jets).

To water down what I wrote above, a fighter jet will be able to take off with a long runaway run in morning and evening timeframes, at noon, it might overshoot the runaway with the same payload.

Ah, did I mention higher take-off and landing speeds (required for high-altitude runaways) cause more wear-and-tear of landing gear and frequent tire bursts ?

 

[hit&run]

Correct me if i was wrong, 70% of Indian mobile phone market is owned by Indian local brands?
80% of India local solar energy equipment owned by Indian local brands?
75% of world civil drone market owned by a Indan brand named Dajiang Innovatives?

None of your bought technologies translates into winning an actual war. Use your diplomatic clout to avoid a war and enjoy the benefits of being neighbours with India.

Your emperor is hiding because he knows he has killed million of people with Wuhan virus. Many have lost their loved ones and are ready to settle the scores.

Don't push your luck. Be a good gambler.

 

[tribendra bisoi.]

A news from 2013 - Came to know about this today .

The Indian government has dropped Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim from a World Bank loan proposal to avoid running into Chinese objections over multilateral financial aid to projects in the border areas .

https://www.livemint.com/Politics/L...hal-Sikkim-from-proposed-World-Bank-loan.html

I hope current govt has changed this pathetic attitude .

 

[vidhwanshak]

Spoiler: china test

I guess these are done in response to prithvi/agni testing.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Spoiler: china test

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I guess these are done in response to prithvi/agni testing.

Not really, China does not consider us as a threat. More US-centric. This can be seen as part of brewing tension on the China-Taiwan axis.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

"Extremely dark methods of cyber attack" Bruh is this Harry Potter Defence against the dark arts or something? What are they even trying to say? This is a classic case of accuse others of what you yourself are doing from the CCP.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Not really, China does not consider us as a threat. More US-centric. This can be seen as part of brewing tension on the China-Taiwan axis.

I doubt that

 

[mokoman]

I doubt that
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doesnt look like missile being launched from India. found it in this vid . its for their first test . in feb 5 2021 .

still tho !! , this was just before disengagement last year at pangong tso , and the next news segment they put is india-china border taken at pangong tso . maybe its directed at us. could be coincidence , both are top stories anyway.

 

[Master Chief]

Any idea when we test AD-1 AND AD-2 ..
The wait has been never ending ...

 

[THESIS THORON]

Any idea when we test AD-1 AND AD-2 ..
The wait has been never ending ...

most probably you wont come to know abt the test, due to ftr (floating test range).

 

[rockdog]

None of your bought technologies translates into winning an actual war. Use your diplomatic clout to avoid a war and enjoy the benefits of being neighbours with India.

Industry GDP is the key to winning an actual war. USA beat Japan in WWII Pacific region because its industry output ratio is 20:1;

You still didn't figure out how China supressed India's manufacture, it's not by the most cutting edge tech made by China, it's comprehensive advantage by advanced tech (best tech is nice to have) + massive prodcution with high effiency + financial & political policy (OROB) .

I personally feel OK with teh status quo of the relation between China & India, the border tension stimulated India purchase lots of forgein weapons due to weak local manufacture capabilities, meanwhile China still enjoy $60 billion trade surplus each year.

If you don't built strong massive prodcution capabilities, you have little chance to win the war. But those $$$ just flow to other nations including China.

 

[srevster]

Industry GDP is the key to winning an actual war. USA beat Japan in WWII Pacific region because its industry output ratio is 20:1;

You still didn't figure out how China supressed India's manufacture, it's not by the most cutting edge tech made by China, it's comprehensive advantage by advanced tech (best tech is nice to have) + massive prodcution with high effiency + financial & political policy (OROB) .

I personally feel OK with teh status quo of the relation between China & India, the border tension stimulated India purchase lots of forgein weapons due to weak local manufacture capabilities, meanwhile China still enjoy $60 billion trade surplus each year.

If you don't built strong massive prodcution capabilities, you have little chance to win the war. But those $$$ just flow to other nations including China.

Lots of people on this forum don’t understand these basic economics. Domestic Production is a must

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[Hari Sud]

Industry GDP is the key to winning an actual war. USA beat Japan in WWII Pacific region because its industry output ratio is 20:1;

You still didn't figure out how China supressed India's manufacture, it's not by the most cutting edge tech made by China, it's comprehensive advantage by advanced tech (best tech is nice to have) + massive prodcution with high effiency + financial & political policy (OROB) .

I personally feel OK with teh status quo of the relation between China & India, the border tension stimulated India purchase lots of forgein weapons due to weak local manufacture capabilities, meanwhile China still enjoy $60 billion trade surplus each year.

If you don't built strong massive prodcution capabilities, you have little chance to win the war. But those $$$ just flow to other nations including China.

‘US did not win the WW2 with GDP numbers but with 10 million US soldiers and supply chain in the field which supplied not only the US soldiers but also all the allies of food and military hardware. What would have taken 3 more years to breakthrough Japanese resistance, was accomplished by two nuclear bombs.