India-China Border conflict

[SwordOfDarkness]

It is technically not true, it is based on our perception.

If you tow that line (territory claimed by both, but controlled by none, and later unilaterally taken over by one side) is a loss of territory, then you should also agree that we lost more than half of Kashmir (Gilgit Baltistan + and PoK) in the 1947-48 war with Pakistan?

On a technical point, GB+POK is 30% of J&k and ladakh.

 

[Kumaoni]

All I have to say is Chinkies better hope they don’t get taken prisoner by a Kumaoni, Naga, or Garhwali. We have very interesting methods of dealing with them

 

[Kumaoni]

Really?
How do you define the Gandhian ideology?

Not having a desire to destroy your enemy. It’s what likes of Harbaksh Singh said that Indian Generals suffer from, albeit indirectly. How they would be so cautious and defensive minded.

 

[Angel of War]

All I have to say is Chinkies better hope they don’t get taken prisoner by a Kumaoni, Naga, or Garhwali. We have very interesting methods of dealing with them

People of the hills should form Militias in boder areas with china . These can support the army in times of need

 

[India Super Power]

All I have to say is Chinkies better hope they don’t get taken prisoner by a Kumaoni, Naga, or Garhwali. We have very interesting methods of dealing with them

Bro I don't wanna be harsh
But we must come out of this regiment glory and all I mean we must have it but if we come towards tactical approach they are far ahead in terms of logistics, transportation be it by road or air, etc.
When their tactical advantage is higher in these things then I don't the nam namak nishan is gonna help us
Don't take it wrongly but will to fight and being able to win is completely different
If u look at entire thread u will find out how many lacuna have been created by our establishment for which our jawans have to suffer
Point is these types of incursions and salami slicing we happen till the point we both exist and it will be always on our side
Here none of our past nor glory is gonna help us again don't take it badly

 

[Kumaoni]

Bro I don't wanna be harsh
But we must come out of this regiment glory and all I mean we must have it but if we come towards tactical approach they are far ahead in terms of logistics, transportation be it by road or air, etc.
When their tactical advantage is higher in these things then I don't the nam namak nishan is gonna help us
Don't take it wrongly but will to fight and being able to win is completely different
If u look at entire thread u will find out how many lacuna have been created by our establishment for which our jawans have to suffer
Point is these types of incursions and salami slicing we happen till the point we both exist and it will be always on our side
Here none of our past nor glory is gonna help us again don't take it badly

I don’t believe in this martial race theory crap, that one fights better Becuase they are born to some superior mythical race. It’s bull shit and Pakistani logic. Anyone whose a professional soldier by nature will be crazy for their country

I am talking of way different ethnic groups treat their POWs. Culturally, it’s a bit different by ethnic group. For example, you have nagas who like to take head trophies, while others find that barbaric. Nothing to do with fighting abilitie.

 

[Kumaoni]

People of the hills should form Militias in boder areas with china . These can support the army in times of need

I’ve always said this. Imagine we had BAT teams by civilian volunteers (not mandatory).


We actually did in 1962. Many locals were trained in Kumaon region to pick up guns. Interesting stories from family of that time period.

 

[Kumaoni]

if we count Ukraine war as an extension of chini foreign policy, CCP is still on schedule.

Don’t see it. It’s just arnab conspiracies. China has other things to worry about than muh taking over whole world

 

[Joe Shearer]

Not having a desire to destroy your enemy. It’s what likes of Harbaksh Singh said that Indian Generals suffer from, albeit indirectly. How they would be so cautious and defensive minded.

That is a personal failing, not an ideology.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It’s bull shit and Pakistani logic.

It was British logic, picked up and spread assiduously by them after 1857, when their Bengal Army very largely mutinied. It was only after that that they started promoting this martial races idea, after having defeated the Marathas under Scindia, the Sikhs in the three Anglo-Sikh Wars, and the Gorkhas with these same Purbiya soldiers.

 

[Kumaoni]

It was British logic, picked up and spread assiduously by them after 1857, when their Bengal Army very largely mutinied. It was only after that that they started promoting this martial races idea, after having defeated the Marathas under Scindia, the Sikhs in the three Anglo-Sikh Wars, and the Gorkhas with these same Purbiya soldiers.

You should really read the memoirs of Agha H Amin, who says, in one of his articles, “Harbaksh Singh, unlike Pakistani Historians like Shaukat Riza, doesn’t go to such lengths to distort history by claiming virtue of belonging to some superior race”.

The Pakistani establishment is keen on proving they can dominate their “less martial”, “Hindu” neighbor. These are confirmed in United States research documents as well. If you read books from Gulzar Ahmed, or many of their state sponsored historians, or even DGISPR they talk about Hindu/Muslim racial theory many times, write about Indian soldiers getting “massacared” in battle, running away from posts constantly, while I have not observers such statements in Harbkash Singh nor the Official War Histories written by MoD themselves.

That is a personal failing, not an ideology.

It has to be an ideology. Pakistan fights a proxy war in Kashmir, yet India doesn’t retaliate. China fortifies along the LaC, no reaction. It’s a defensive mindset that hinders a lot.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You should really read the memoirs of Agha H Amin, who says, in one of his articles, “Harbaksh Singh, unlike Pakistani Historians like Shaukat Riza, doesn’t go to such lengths to distort history by claiming virtue of belonging to some superior race”.

You should really be in touch with Agha Sahib, as I was before my illness; we were in regular correspondence. He still asks me to get involved in his academic work. Some of the corroboration for the analysis presented comes from his writing on the subject of martial races - incidentally, what are his memoirs about? I don't remember his writing his memoirs, ever.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The Pakistani establishment is keen on proving they can dominate their “less martial”, “Hindu” neighbor. These are confirmed in United States research documents as well. If you read books from Gulzar Ahmed, or many of their state sponsored historians, or even DGISPR they talk about Hindu/Muslim racial theory many times, write about Indian soldiers getting “massacared” in battle, running away from posts constantly, while I have not observers such statements in Harbkash Singh nor the Official War Histories written by MoD themselves.

This has nothing to do with the statement made, that it was an invention of the British themselves. Nor does citing the Pakistani example weaken the situation that in India, we think similarly.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[Poseidon]

All hail Chinese 420 gen military. They are so advanced they don't even need tactics.

 

[Angel of War]

I don’t believe in this martial race theory crap, that one fights better Becuase they are born to some superior mythical race. It’s bull shit and Pakistani logic. Anyone whose a professional soldier by nature will be crazy for their country

I am talking of way different ethnic groups treat their POWs. Culturally, it’s a bit different by ethnic group. For example, you have nagas who like to take head trophies, while others find that barbaric. Nothing to do with fighting abilitie.

POWs must always be given a fair treatmeant . Torturing PoWs is a disgusting idea . Even the chinese gave respectful treatmeant to our PoWs in 62 .

 

[Marliii]

Chinese wumao

 

[Kumaoni]

POWs must always be given a fair treatmeant . Torturing PoWs is a disgusting idea . Even the chinese gave respectful treatmeant to our PoWs in 62 .

Maybe. I don’t have respect for Hans or Manchus though. Blood of nearly 1,400 martyrs has to be avenged. They are dogs and will pay.

 

[Kumaoni]

This has nothing to do with the statement made, that it was an invention of the British themselves. Nor does citing the Pakistani example weaken the situation that in India, we think similarly.

Oh we think similarly? Which is why we send their bodies back in full military honors with award citations, have memorials for some of their fallen shaheed and they send our bodies back mutilated right? That’s why PaKisTanI generals write about “massacaring Indians” in battles, when Indian generals admit their own failures god knows how many times? Their country is based on a hate for Hindu indiaC and they have an obsession with defeating it to lead the Muslim world.

Or I assume that’s why a Nonmuslim couldn’t even join the Pakistan Armed forces till 200

 

[Angel of War]

Maybe. I don’t have respect for Hans or Manchus though. Blood of nearly 1,400 martyrs has to be avenged. They are dogs and will pay.

avenge that blood on the battlefield , not as a coward who attacks helpless enemy soldiers who have already bowed down to you. Han Chinese aren't bad , the Communist freaks of PLA and CCP are . It is against our fine military traditions to dishonour and torture PoWs .