India-China Border conflict

[Cheran]

China has ordered government-backed companies and agencies in the country to replace foreign brand computers with Chinese . These computers, made by Chinese companies will run on locally developed softwares. , it will see replacement of about 50 million computers at the level of central government alone . This sweep is likely to involve phones, semiconductors and more.

Replace foreign PCs in two years, China tells companies

China has ordered government-backed companies and agencies in the country to replace foreign brand computers with Chinese ones within two years, Bloomberg reported. This is one of China's most aggressive push towards eliminating dependence on western technology. Bloomberg quoted sources to say...

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They seems to be talking lesson from Ukraine war . But they are doing it because they have the capacity .

The Chinese government has ordered a comprehensive “stress test” to see how the country would handle sanctions like the ones imposed by the West on Russia, the UK’s Guardian newspaper reported Wednesday, citing sources.

An unnamed person with direct knowledge of the matter told the paper that an extensive exercise began around late February and early March when Western allies imposed sweeping sanctions against Moscow. The source said that several key Chinese government agencies had been asked to come up with responses if the West imposed similar embargoes on China.

“Those involved in this exercise use how Russia was treated as a baseline for China’s own policy response should it be treated in a same fashion by the West,” the source explained, adding: “This stress test involves a range of methodology, including modelling.”

The Financial Times reported earlier that the Chinese finance ministry and the central bank held a meeting last month with domestic and foreign banks, including HSBC, to discuss how they could protect China’s overseas assets should Russia-style sanctions led by the US and its Western allies also be imposed.

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They might have gamed these scenarios several times.

 

[gajapati]

The Chinese government has ordered a comprehensive “stress test” to see how the country would handle sanctions like the ones imposed by the West on Russia, the UK’s Guardian newspaper reported Wednesday, citing sources.

An unnamed person with direct knowledge of the matter told the paper that an extensive exercise began around late February and early March when Western allies imposed sweeping sanctions against Moscow. The source said that several key Chinese government agencies had been asked to come up with responses if the West imposed similar embargoes on China.

“Those involved in this exercise use how Russia was treated as a baseline for China’s own policy response should it be treated in a same fashion by the West,” the source explained, adding: “This stress test involves a range of methodology, including modelling.”

The Financial Times reported earlier that the Chinese finance ministry and the central bank held a meeting last month with domestic and foreign banks, including HSBC, to discuss how they could protect China’s overseas assets should Russia-style sanctions led by the US and its Western allies also be imposed.

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They might have gamed these scenarios several times.

The kind of sanction imposed on Russia cant be replicated on China . If USA and EU seize their 3 trillion dollar reserve .. China in return ll seize assets of western financial firms which might be in to trillions .. Even if there is a direct war with USA .. USA ll keep importing from china to stop its economy from going destroyed .. At best USA ll route the chinese product through a 3rd country ... Russia never had those leverage except for the Gas dependence of Europe .

 

[Joe Shearer]

You think BJP was any greater than UPA in this regard? No. The gandhian ideology is what dominates the BJP.

Really?
How do you define the Gandhian ideology?

 

[Love Charger]

Really?
How do you define the Gandhian ideology?

In today's generations layman terms , I can say that
Slap on one cheek , then receive slap on other cheek
Never retaliate , don't use violence as a policy for achieving goals .
This is what average layman thinks of gandhiji today.

 

[Joe Shearer]

In today's generations layman terms , I can say that
Slap on one cheek , then receive slap on other cheek
Never retaliate , don't use violence as a policy for achieving goals .
This is what average layman thinks of gandhiji today.

You mean an absence of decision-making is Gandhian?
A creation of defence forces, and subsequent refusal to use them is Gandhian?
Interesting.

 

[Love Charger]

You mean an absence of decision-making is Gandhian?
A creation of defence forces, and subsequent refusal to use them is Gandhian?
Interesting.

Yes , precisely along those terms
Not that I agree with these interpretation

 

[Joe Shearer]

You mean an absence of decision-making is Gandhian?
A creation of defence forces, and subsequent refusal to use them is Gandhian?
Interesting.

The reason I ask this is because Gandhi was not indecisive; he certainly reversed his decisions, and created serious confusion in the minds of his adherents and followers, but he was not indecisive.

Regarding the armed forces, once you have created them, you are no longer Gandhian. Where is the question of retaining anything Gandhian after that?

 

[Love Charger]

The reason I ask this is because Gandhi was not indecisive; he certainly reversed his decisions, and created serious confusion in the minds of his adherents and followers, but he was not indecisive.

Regarding the armed forces, once you have created them, you are no longer Gandhian. Where is the question of retaining anything Gandhian after that?

The op meant to say that not using armed forces is gandhain , relying on diplomacy is gandhain .
I call these strategic restraint

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The Chinese government has ordered a comprehensive “stress test” to see how the country would handle sanctions like the ones imposed by the West on Russia, the UK’s Guardian newspaper reported Wednesday, citing sources.

An unnamed person with direct knowledge of the matter told the paper that an extensive exercise began around late February and early March when Western allies imposed sweeping sanctions against Moscow. The source said that several key Chinese government agencies had been asked to come up with responses if the West imposed similar embargoes on China.

“Those involved in this exercise use how Russia was treated as a baseline for China’s own policy response should it be treated in a same fashion by the West,” the source explained, adding: “This stress test involves a range of methodology, including modelling.”

The Financial Times reported earlier that the Chinese finance ministry and the central bank held a meeting last month with domestic and foreign banks, including HSBC, to discuss how they could protect China’s overseas assets should Russia-style sanctions led by the US and its Western allies also be imposed.

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They might have gamed these scenarios several times.

if all exports are sanctioned they would be dead.
They are completely dependent on outside world

 

[Joe Shearer]

The op meant to say that not using armed forces is gandhain , relying on diplomacy is gandhain .
I call these strategic restraint

There is a mix, and the mix has not been used. The pure strain that has been used is to avoid any recourse to military means because of sheer ignorance of military matters.

 

[Angel of War]

hmm not sure which road u mean , they build 1 road connecting pp11 -> pp13 etc back in 2009-2010 itself.
LOL such nice people , building road for us to patrol . i think that is actual LAC .but gov is claiming LAC is even beyond that

Claiming territory won't work unless we can control it . Just like how china claims Arunachal but can't control it . The realistic way forward is - We should forget about all of the territory we ceeded in the past and consolidate our current ground position to make sure the chinks don't intrude further . Losing territory is not a surprise if you can't control it in the first place . That's why we must exercise our control on whatever disputed territory is left .

 

[Joe Shearer]

whatever disputed territory is left .

....on whatever useful and relevant territory is left.

 

[Angel of War]

....on whatever useful and relevant territory is left.

Exactly ! defend what is defensible and take whatever can be taken .

 

[Joe Shearer]

Exactly ! defend what is defensible and take whatever can be taken .

That is more, much more than acquiescence. That is a counter offensive, for instance, in slicing off territory in the segment between Demchok and Manas Sarovar. Important to dominate G 219, and important to give pilgrims access to their ancient pilgrimage spot.

 

[Love Charger]

That is more, much more than acquiescence. That is a counter offensive, for instance, in slicing off territory in the segment between Demchok and Manas Sarovar. Important to dominate G 219, and important to give pilgrims access to their ancient pilgrimage spot.

G 219 must have many structures , we can destroy those like tunnels bridges etc
Can halt the enemy to an extent but the Chinese have airlift capability bette than us , helis and fixed wing both .
Plus they make all those helis themselves, which includes everything I guess
While we buy from Russia and buy their spares from them

 

[mokoman]

Claiming territory won't work unless we can control it . Just like how china claims Arunachal but can't control it . The realistic way forward is - We should forget about all of the territory we ceeded in the past and consolidate our current ground position to make sure the chinks don't intrude further . Losing territory is not a surprise if you can't control it in the first place . That's why we must exercise our control on whatever disputed territory is left .

Losing territory is not a surprise if you can't control it in the first place . That's why we must exercise our control on whatever disputed territory is left .

clearly the army know this . but its not realistic .

take the case of depsang , each time we tried to build more / patrol more - chinese escalated by doing more patrols / banner drills / constructing roads . they even build a road across their offical claim line border - on indian land they dont even claim .

when we tried to push through by making that feeder road in galwan , we ended up losing that + most of depsang bulge .

its a lose-lose situation . fucking with the Chinese has its limit and can back-fire .

this situation will go on , we will be also "losing" more land in future to chinese salami slicing .

 

[Cheran]

Putting this here......

 

[Angel of War]

Losing territory is not a surprise if you can't control it in the first place . That's why we must exercise our control on whatever disputed territory is left .

clearly the army know this . but its not realistic .

take the case of depsang , each time we tried to build more / patrol more - chinese escalated by doing more patrols / banner drills / constructing roads . they even build a road across their offical claim line border - on indian land they dont even claim .

when we tried to push through by making that feeder road in galwan , we ended up losing that + most of depsang bulge .

its a lose-lose situation . fucking with the Chinese has its limit and can back-fire .

this situation will go on , we will be also "losing" more land in future to chinese salami slicing .

chinese have always refrained from ingressing into areas physically occupied by indian troops , if we want to prevent further salami slicing then it is best that we ensure permanent physical occupation of territory we patrol . They were able to deny us access to our patrolling points in depsang because we never showed the intention nor the initiative to physically occupy focal points in the contested area .

 

[Angel of War]

take the case of depsang , each time we tried to build more / patrol more - chinese escalated by doing more patrols / banner drills / constructing roads . they even build a road across their offical claim line border - on indian land they dont even claim .

isn't their claim line in depsang 7km west of Y junction somehwhere near burtse ? You must be aware that we are in firm control of all territory towards the west of Y junction , in a sense , we are denying them access to what they claim to be the LAC

 

[Angel of War]

its a lose-lose situation . fucking with the Chinese has its limit and can back-fire .

You and I have contrasting views on this matter .