India-China Border conflict

[ShouvikGhosh]

Classic fear mongering.
The Pak missiles also use GPS guidance system does this mean Indian missiles cannot even use GPS navigation system now.

Or if interoperability of Beidou & GLONASS means that the Indian Missiles using GLONASS will be visible to the Chinese. Doesn't this also mean that the Russian missiles during their flight path will also be visible to the Chinese.

I am pretty sure their must be some counter measure already present to prevent the Chinese from misusing the platform. Russian are not morons

 

[fire starter]

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Classic fear mongering.
The Pak missiles also use GPS guidance system does this mean Indian missiles cannot even use GPS navigation system now.

Or if interoperability of Beidou & GLONASS means that the Indian Missiles using GLONASS will be visible to the Chinese. Doesn't this also mean that the Russian missiles during it's flight path will also be visible to the Chinese.

I am pretty sure their must be some counter measure already present to revent the Chinese from misusing the platform. Russian are not morons

Chutiye ki baat ka kyo logic nikal raha hai.

 

[srevster]

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Classic fear mongering.
The Pak missiles also use GPS guidance system does this mean Indian missiles cannot even use GPS navigation system now.

Or if interoperability of Beidou & GLONASS means that the Indian Missiles using GLONASS will be visible to the Chinese. Doesn't this also mean that the Russian missiles during their flight path will also be visible to the Chinese.

I am pretty sure their must be some counter measure already present to prevent the Chinese from misusing the platform. Russian are not morons

Lol GPS receivers don’t transmit any data to the satellite constellation. There is no way for the satellite network to determine which devices are using them. It’s a pub-sub architecture where the satellites transmit timing and location information and the receivers compute their location based on latency of messages from multiple satellites

 

[ShouvikGhosh]

Lol GPS receivers don’t transmit any data to the satellite constellation. There is no way for the satellite network to determine which devices are using them. It’s a pub-sub architecture where the satellites transmit timing and location information and the receivers compute their location based on latency of messages from multiple satellites

Ya explain this to those old hags who are fear mongering.

 

[mokoman]

there is a big diff in accuracy between military and civilian GPS / NAVIC / GLONASS

military accuracy has to be given explicitly.

i think in his fantasy world Russia will cutoff our access to their precise signals , and PLA will cyber sex with NAVIC taking it down , so we have to rely on GPS ?? ,

 

[srevster]

there is a big diff in accuracy between military and civilian GPS / NAVIC / GLONASS

military accuracy has to be given explicitly.

i think in his fantasy world Russia will cutoff our access to their precise signals , and PLA will cyber sex with NAVIC taking it down , so we have to reply on GPS ?? ,

Civilian signal has a random timing error introduction, to remove some precision comparing to military signals

 

[ShouvikGhosh]

Lol GPS receivers don’t transmit any data to the satellite constellation. There is no way for the satellite network to determine which devices are using them. It’s a pub-sub architecture where the satellites transmit timing and location information and the receivers compute their location based on latency of messages from multiple satellites

Beidou functions as a two-way communication system. So it does have security risks unlike GPS.

China’s Rival to GPS Navigation Carries Big Risks

BeiDou satellite network was completed this month

www.google.com

Security risks

All other global navigation satellite systems — GPS, GLONASS (Russia) and Galileo (EU) — mainly act as beacons, beaming out signals picked up by billions of devices using them to determine their precise position on Earth.

BeiDou is a two-way communication system, allowing it to identify the locations of receivers. BeiDou-compatible devices can transmit data back to the satellites, even in text messages of up to 1,200 Chinese characters.

"In layman's terms, you can not only know where you are through BeiDou but also tell others where you are through the system," China's state broadcaster CCTV said last month.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

there is a big diff in accuracy between military and civilian GPS / NAVIC / GLONASS

military accuracy has to be given explicitly.

i think in his fantasy world Russia will cutoff our access to their precise signals , and PLA will cyber sex with NAVIC taking it down , so we have to rely on GPS ?? ,

But isn't it true that during some missile test, we were provided wrong/inaccurate information by some country (us or Russia)?

 

[Tactical Doge]

there is a big diff in accuracy between military and civilian GPS / NAVIC / GLONASS

military accuracy has to be given explicitly.

i think in his fantasy world Russia will cutoff our access to their precise signals , and PLA will cyber sex with NAVIC taking it down , so we have to rely on GPS ?? ,

Russians themselves use GPS for their fighter bombers su-34s

 

[THESIS THORON]

i think that was during kargil ? , burger people didnt like us kicking their dog.

There was a rumor that amreeki did the signal scrambling of gps due to which our brahmos test was failed.


I cant confirm the report.

 

[warmachine541]

Russians themselves use GPS for their fighter bombers su-34s
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WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

A FUCKING GPS ATTACHED TO THE DASHBOARD OF MULTI MILLION DOLLAR FIGHTER JET.

 

[srevster]

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?

A FUCKING GPS ATTACHED TO THE DASHBOARD OF MULTI MILLION DOLLAR FIGHTER JET.

What’s wrong with this. It’s a beacon technology so the jet isn’t being tracked.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Beidou functions as a two-way communication system. So it does have security risks unlike GPS.

China’s Rival to GPS Navigation Carries Big Risks

BeiDou satellite network was completed this month

www.google.com

Security risks

All other global navigation satellite systems — GPS, GLONASS (Russia) and Galileo (EU) — mainly act as beacons, beaming out signals picked up by billions of devices using them to determine their precise position on Earth.

BeiDou is a two-way communication system, allowing it to identify the locations of receivers. BeiDou-compatible devices can transmit data back to the satellites, even in text messages of up to 1,200 Chinese characters.

"In layman's terms, you can not only know where you are through BeiDou but also tell others where you are through the system," China's state broadcaster CCTV said last month.

You mean to say these cheap mobile phones that we use can transmit messages to sateliites above 10000 km to 36000 km on average..?
Yes, terminals the size of mobile phones are available, but these require a nearby antenna to transmit to the satellite.. The compact BGAN devices from INMARSAT are around 1 kg..
So, i doubt our regular phones can tranmit data back to Beidou satellites directly.

 

[ShouvikGhosh]

You mean to say these cheap mobile phones that we use can transmit messages to sateliites above 10000 km to 36000 km on average..?
Yes, terminals the size of mobile phones are available, but these require a nearby antenna to transmit to the satellite.. The compact BGAN devices from INMARSAT are around 1 kg..
So, i doubt our regular phones can tranmit data back to Beidou satellites directly.

Why the hell will I be saying ?
Read the report.

China using Beidou to track people

Taiwan government warns employees not to use it The Taiwan Ministry of Science and Technology is warning government employees to avoid using phones that use China's GPS system Beidou to prevent ‘targeted attacks’ The Ministry claims that China’s Beidou Satellite System poses an information secur...

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It's either an American propaganda or a Chinese plan.

 

[Tshering22]

Why the hell will I be saying ?
Read the report.

China using Beidou to track people

Taiwan government warns employees not to use it The Taiwan Ministry of Science and Technology is warning government employees to avoid using phones that use China's GPS system Beidou to prevent ‘targeted attacks’ The Ministry claims that China’s Beidou Satellite System poses an information secur...

www.fudzilla.com

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It's either an American propaganda or a Chinese plan.

Well either way, I hope they better track and eliminate the teething issues faced by NAVIC asap. Even if that means taking more funds from the national budget. NAVIC was created for a purpose; to be independent of the US, Russian and Chinese systems.

If we can't get that to do the only job it is supposed to do - provide accurate coordinates to our strategic forces, then what's the use of even having an IGMP or SFC?

 

[srevster]

Beidou functions as a two-way communication system. So it does have security risks unlike GPS.

China’s Rival to GPS Navigation Carries Big Risks

BeiDou satellite network was completed this month

www.google.com

Security risks

All other global navigation satellite systems — GPS, GLONASS (Russia) and Galileo (EU) — mainly act as beacons, beaming out signals picked up by billions of devices using them to determine their precise position on Earth.

BeiDou is a two-way communication system, allowing it to identify the locations of receivers. BeiDou-compatible devices can transmit data back to the satellites, even in text messages of up to 1,200 Chinese characters.

"In layman's terms, you can not only know where you are through BeiDou but also tell others where you are through the system," China's state broadcaster CCTV said last month.

This is only Beidou 1, beidou 2 is beacon based just like GNSS

 

[no smoking]

Why the hell will I be saying ?
Read the report.
It's either an American propaganda or a Chinese plan.

Well, it is purely mispresenting the fact.
Yes, Beidou can receive the text message from certain type of ground device. But, to be notice, it is not every receiver on the vessels can send the signal. Put this way, the lowest trajectory of Beidou satellite is 21700km, you will need a very strong signal to reach the satellite. Then you will need a big antenna at least. That means the beidou device plugged into your car or mobile must be much bigger and expensive than GPS. So, unless you specially require that, no one will sell you a Beidou device including messaging function.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

How Navic will be prone to cyber attack from China and Beidou will not be subject to Indian cyber attack? It need to be explained.

 

[ShouvikGhosh]

Well, it is purely mispresenting the fact.
Yes, Beidou can receive the text message from certain type of ground device. But, to be notice, it is not every receiver on the vessels can send the signal. Put this way, the lowest trajectory of Beidou satellite is 21700km, you will need a very strong signal to reach the satellite. Then you will need a big antenna at least. That means the beidou device plugged into your car or mobile must be much bigger and expensive than GPS. So, unless you specially require that, no one will sell you a Beidou device including messaging function.

Not that the Beidou satellite system alone will track the ground devices which is receiving Data.

But as two separate satalite systems working in synergy.

(Picture only for reference)
One for the GPS coordinates & another for the tracking through cellular network. Where the alleged Malwa install in Beidou compatible devices is enabling it.

May be a possibility

 

[srevster]

Not that the Beidou satellite system alone will track the ground devices which is receiving Data.

But as two separate satalite systems working in synergy.
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One for the GPS coordinates & another for the tracking through cellular network. Where the alleged Malwa install in Beidou compatible devices is enabling it. View attachment 137005
May be a possibility

Why wouldn’t you just use the cell towers, what’s the need to beam the data back to the satellites, bandwidth is cheaper on cellular networks.