India-China Border conflict

[ezsasa]

came across this tweet.

while the sentiment is in the right place, there should also be discussions on what are the fundamentals based on which "adventurous response" is not being undertaken by Indian security establishment.

problem statements and expectations are a plenty in the country, it's the solutions that are lacking from the civilian sphere.
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Russia, with $1.5T economy, forced US/NATO to negotiating table.

What stops India from standing up to China ?
It's NOT about economy but political will.

China's entire game of "salami slicing" is based on the assumption that India won't risk an escalation to a full blown war.

 

[Jimih]

came across this tweet.

while the sentiment is in the right place, there should also be discussions on what are the fundamentals based on which "adventurous response" is not being undertaken by Indian security establishment.

problem statements and expectations are a plenty in the country, it's the solutions that are lacking from the civilian sphere.
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Russia, with $1.5T economy, forced US/NATO to negotiating table.

What stops India from standing up to China ?
It's NOT about economy but political will.

China's entire game of "salami slicing" is based on the assumption that India won't risk an escalation to a full blown war.

Also one should not forget Russia's own massive domestic Military Industrial Complex.


Does India have?
Answer is NO. We saw how Rajnath Singh flied to and fro to Russia during current Standoff. For what? Everybody knows.

 

[Knowitall]

Also one should not forget Russia's own massive domestic Military Industrial Complex.


Does India have?
Answer is NO. We saw how Rajnath Singh flied to and fro to Russia during current Standoff. For what? Everybody knows.

It is a combination of both political will and military power.

What happened during Galwan had already taken place 2 decades back in the form of parliament attacks. Back then too India was unable to initiate the cold start doctrine. What was supposed to take place in a few days dragged on for weeks which resulted in us losing the initiative and surprise.

When Galwan happened we were in a similar position. Our forces were not in position with adequate spare and supplies the Chinese were already deployed in strength through swift deployment. Both the army and intelligence agencies had absolutely failed to gauge the size or motives of their build up.

Back then i remember some members explaining how India will mobilize and a war is imminent or the govt will go for a repeat of balakot or something like that. Back then too i had argued how the very base of both these premises are wrong.

Balakot happened because India knew that we could control the escalation ladder more or less. What happened the next day was not what we expected but we were still in the control of the situation. The same thing could not be replicated against the chinese.

The other premise that the govt was bidding it's time for a eventual war was straight up stupid.

Ever single day that passed after galwan was us moving further away from the conflict due to a lot of factors from diplomatic pressure to the lack of surprise.

My points are further reinforced by the fact that our political leadership flat out denied any incursion and even today simply ignores the issue with both PM and DM not offering any condolences during the Galwan martyrs day. The other point was the insane hype being generated by central agencies on the SSR case a case that fell flat with barely any arrests or leads.

Thanks to heavy media reporting on the pangong tso issue the govt was forced to drastic steps but even then was unwilling to do much. Once that was done and the glare of media gone we pretty much threw other sectors under the bus and that is a arrangement both the sides are okay with considering the resumption in trade and ties.

 

[mokoman]

LOL , swamy's hi IQ brain .




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It is a combination of both political will and military power.

What happened during Galwan had already taken place 2 decades back in the form of parliament attacks. Back then too India was unable to initiate the cold start doctrine. What was supposed to take place in a few days dragged on for weeks which resulted in us losing the initiative and surprise.

When Galwan happened we were in a similar position. Our forces were not in position with adequate spare and supplies the Chinese were already deployed in strength through swift deployment. Both the army and intelligence agencies had absolutely failed to gauge the size or motives of their build up.

Back then i remember some members explaining how India will mobilize and a war is imminent or the govt will go for a repeat of balakot or something like that. Back then too i had argued how the very base of both these premises are wrong.

Balakot happened because India knew that we could control the escalation ladder more or less. What happened the next day was not what we expected but we were still in the control of the situation. The same thing could not be replicated against the chinese.

The other premise that the govt was bidding it's time for a eventual war was straight up stupid.

Ever single day that passed after galwan was us moving further away from the conflict due to a lot of factors from diplomatic pressure to the lack of surprise.

My points are further reinforced by the fact that our political leadership flat out denied any incursion and even today simply ignores the issue with both PM and DM not offering any condolences during the Galwan martyrs day. The other point was the insane hype being generated by central agencies on the SSR case a case that fell flat with barely any arrests or leads.

Thanks to heavy media reporting on the pangong tso issue the govt was forced to drastic steps but even then was unwilling to do much. Once that was done and the glare of media gone we pretty much threw other sectors under the bus and that is a arrangement both the sides are okay with considering the resumption in trade and ties.

The other premise that the govt was bidding it's time for a eventual war was straight up stupid.

we will do another kailash peak style peacefull realignment some time between tommorow 1 PM and April 30 2022. use that to end chinese occupation of depsang. i did the astrology reading myself.

Spoiler

 

[Hari Sud]

Chinese and India at LAC and likely outcome

Chinese are unlikely to backdown and retreat only a few miles at LAC knowing fully well that their retreat, the rest of world and India will interpret it as a defeat. Hence they would not retreat.

They prefer not to fight a war, as its outcome in Himalayas is uncertain. But when two armies are facing each other at a short distance away, then a fight (may not be a war) is inevitable. This fight will not prove that Chinese have a superior army or big military budget or much touted military hardware whose performance is uncertain. It will prove that India can hold of its own or even win a few operations. A bigger war on the scale of WW2 is not possible in Himalayas.

Net outcome will be that much touted propaganda of big Chinese rocket force, or stealth fighters or bombers in the vicinity, which the ignorant media keeps telling us all the time, will vanish. India’s respect in the world will get immense improvement. That Chinese resistance to prevent india becoming a permanent member of Security Council or NSG will also vanish. They probably will not vote for against it, but abstain. That is equal to OK.

But to assume that the Issue of McMohan Line in the east or LAC in the west will be solved, then we are dreaming. To make Chinese give up their stupid claims is to drop a Hydrogen Bomb over Shanghai or Peking.

cheers.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Indian Army forces realigned, reorganized to cater for major Chinese troop augmentation:MoD

What does this mean?

 

[srevster]

Chinese and India at LAC and likely outcome

Chinese are unlikely to backdown and retreat only a few miles at LAC knowing fully well that their retreat, the rest of world and India will interpret it as a defeat. Hence they would not retreat.

They prefer not to fight a war, as its outcome in Himalayas is uncertain. But when two armies are facing each other at a short distance away, then a fight (may not be a war) is inevitable. This fight will not prove that Chinese have a superior army or big military budget or much touted military hardware whose performance is uncertain. It will prove that India can hold of its own or even win a few operations. A bigger war on the scale of WW2 is not possible in Himalayas.

Net outcome will be that much touted propaganda of big Chinese rocket force, or stealth fighters or bombers in the vicinity, which the ignorant media keeps telling us all the time, will vanish. India’s respect in the world will get immense improvement. That Chinese resistance to prevent india becoming a permanent member of Security Council or NSG will also vanish. They probably will not vote for against it, but abstain. That is equal to OK.

But to assume that the Issue of McMohan Line in the east or LAC in the west will be solved, then we are dreaming. To make Chinese give up their stupid claims is to drop a Hydrogen Bomb over Shanghai or Peking.

cheers.

Sometimes the best strategy is to give a solid punch and worry about consequences later

 

[India Super Power]

Sometimes the best strategy is to give a solid punch and worry about consequences later

India doesn't have such political leadership or capability

 

[srevster]

India doesn't have such political leadership or capability

How The Fist That Felled Chinese Army Officer In Sikkim On Saturday Packed Three Generations Of Valour

The officer’s ancestry is replete with achievements and valour in the Indian armed forces.

swarajyamag.com

we just need more unruly insubordination.

 

[srevster]

'Golgappe Khayega?': Indian Army teasing Chinese soldiers in midst of standoff will make you go RoFL | Watch

After punches are delivered and scuffle is calmed down, an Indian soldier can be heard in the viral video asking a PLA soldier, ‘Golgappe khayega?’ (Will you eat Golgappas?)

english.jagran.com

Just wind up the fist, and let it fly and offer more golgappas

 

[India Super Power]

How The Fist That Felled Chinese Army Officer In Sikkim On Saturday Packed Three Generations Of Valour

The officer’s ancestry is replete with achievements and valour in the Indian armed forces.

swarajyamag.com

we just need more unruly insubordination.

Political leadership lacks balls not military
But it's true that we don't have that level of deterrence capability

 

[srevster]

Political leadership lacks balls not military
But it's true that we don't have that level of deterrence capability

Just do it during chai biscuits.

 

[India Super Power]

Just do it during chai biscuits.

I have a thought we r having so many Chai biscuits
We can give slow poison through it
2 times 3 times 4 time then death
Wild thoughts

 

[Love Charger]

I have a thought we r having so many Chai biscuits
We can give slow poison through it
2 times 3 times 4 time then death
Wild thoughts

Probably we only take biscuits , tea is brought by them

 

[India Super Power]

Probably we only take biscuits , tea is brought by them

Biscuits me kuch mila lete hai

 

[srevster]

Biscuits me kuch mila lete hai

Use high dosage LSD , escort them back to “their” military camp

 

[Love Charger]

 

[Hari Sud]

India doesn't have such political leadership or capability

Current leadership has will, strength and capability to deliver a solid punch. It is not 1962 anymore.

 

[srevster]

What does tore into even mean? Sometimes we should tell the politicians to shut up and let the military do the talking. Yelling at Indian TV cameras is not tearing into Chinese government. Unless Golgappas were given, this is to just appease domestic audience.

 

[indiatester]