India-China Border conflict

[mokoman]

This week's Sentinel images don't do any justice. But it seems like we vacated PP16 ?

And IMO the point you said, there is no Chinese post there, they most probably moved back to their Galwan base camp at 34.631230, 78.613760, and we moved back to PP17 ? Not clear though.

I won't consider it a sucker's deal, to be honest, if the Chinese have agreed to move back to Galwan base camp, we can be comfortable at PP17 for now, temporarily. The next immediate move should be making a full-metalled road till PP16 with a sizeable permanent ITBP/Army base there.

yea hard to believe , guy on twitter shared image . they are building there , probably next forward post .

if we dont build a post between pp16 and pp17 , it will be 5km for them 37km for us . 1 step back for them , 7 steps back for us.

The next immediate move should be making a full-metalled road till PP16 with a sizeable permanent ITBP/Army base there

most likely there wont be , could have build it by now anyways.

 

[mist_consecutive]

yea hard to believe , guy on twitter shared image . they are building there , probably next forward post .

Link to tweet ?

if we dont build a post between pp16 and pp17 , it will be 5km for them 37km for us . 1 step back for them , 7 steps back for us.

The next immediate move should be making a full-metalled road till PP16 with a sizeable permanent ITBP/Army base there

most likely there wont be , could have build it by now anyways.

Problem is, how insignificant our footprint is Gogra-Hotspring peninsula.

Light Blue - DS DBO Road
Green - Current Pangong Tso - Gogra road, recently pitched.
White bands on Green Road - Above snow point, blocked in winter months.
Light Green - Current mud path taken to reach PP15.
Orange Arrows - Probable Chinese attack vectors.
Orange Dotted Road - Proposed all-weather road to Gogra-Hotspring

We cannot be really bullish here right now. Unless the all-weather road to Gogra-Hotspring is done, we might have to play chicken in this sector.
Rationally, this area should be militarised as hell, but we know GoI won't take any aggressive stance here. Brash actions here without a solid motive to back them will only result in Chinese running over us.

 

[mokoman]

Link to tweet ?



Problem is, how insignificant our footprint is Gogra-Hotspring peninsula.

Light Blue - DS DBO Road
Green - Current Pangong Tso - Gogra road, recently pitched.
White bands on Green Road - Above snow point, blocked in winter months.
Light Green - Current mud path taken to reach PP15.
Orange Arrows - Probable Chinese attack vectors.
Orange Dotted Road - Proposed all-weather road to Gogra-Hotspring

We cannot be really bullish here right now. Unless the all-weather road to Gogra-Hotspring is done, we might have to play chicken in this sector.
Rationally, this area should be militarised as hell, but we know GoI won't take any aggressive stance here. Brash actions here without a solid motive to back them will only result in Chinese running over us.

pretty much what general panag was saying . not much option other than to accept buffer zones even if they favour chinese .

 

[mist_consecutive]

pretty much what general panag was saying . not much option other than to accept buffer zones even if they favour chinese .

Actually, now I think about it, we must keep a presence between PP17 and PP16 at all costs. A dangerous Chinese game plan here can be to swiftly grab the whole area above PP17A with a blockade at PP17A (second orange arrow from the top, stopping our forces from moving), while Chinese forces quickly rush from PP15 to capture the area.
This will be another Chinese-style no bloodshed conquest like they did at Depsang and Pangong Tso.

 

[mokoman]

Actually, now I think about it, we must keep a presence between PP17 and PP16 at all costs. A dangerous Chinese game plan here can be to swiftly grab the whole area above PP17A with a blockade at PP17A (second orange arrow from the top, stopping our forces from moving), while Chinese forces quickly rush from PP15 to capture the area.
This will be another Chinese-style no bloodshed conquest like they did at Depsang and Pangong Tso.

wonder whats next

 

[ym888]

India built battlefield Drones and UAVs for China border

The Turkish UAV Bayraktar gave Azerbaijan the victory over Armenia. Later same was true in Syrian war. Now in the Ukraine war in the beginning, the Russian forces were held up or destroyed by the same Turkish drone. Honestly, like it or not, but tanks, fighters and the importance of artillery will be reduced with drones/UAV. Future battles will be fought with these and fully autonomous flying objects equipped with artificial intelligence, with the ground controller sitting hundreds of kilometers away and steering them.

Finally, when the push came to shove, then the rush began in India to incorporate drones. Indian built Tapas-1 drone was tested 15 years, but then put on the back burner in favor of imports. Now the Indian armed forces have a large number of UAVs mainly of Israeli-origin, for real-time reconnaissance and precision-targeting. The air force also has Israeli Harop "killer" or Kamikaze drones that act like cruise missiles by detonating in enemy targets and radars. The Tapas-2 drone built in India was handed over to the Indian Army in August 2022 for monitoring activities throughout the LAC. This system was developed with all-Indigenous technologies. A total of 76 Tapas drones will be inducted into the armed forces—the Army, 60; the Air Force, 12; and the Navy, four in next few years.

In January last year, the Army sanctioned a $20 million contract to Mumbai-based private drone manufacturer IdeaForge to source an undisclosed number of its vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) UAV, called 'Switch'. Also, the Indian Army has procured Swarm Drones from two Indian start-up companies. In addition, the Indian Army has also initiated a Make-II case, Autonomous Surveillance and Armed Drone Swarm (A-SADS) which includes a number of improvements and good for the High Altitude surveillance.

In a short time, if the deal passes through then India will own American MQ-9 drones of high quality, long endurance and equipped with missiles. That will put India a league ahead of its neighbors.

China until now had a drone advantage over India. But very shortly that advantage will be no more, although the Global Times has reported that China promoted a brand-new rival drone to the American Switchblade, but nothing of Chinese origin is reliable.

Pakistan will certainly acquire well-tried Bayraktar -TB2 of Turkey. But it’s excessive use in Ukraine has given away its weaknesses. Moreover, it is short duration, short load, but highly accurate targeting drone, but it is no sweat in front of American and Israeli hardware.

Hence, in there years, India will be ahead in military drones.

in drones, it is impossible for India to overtake China in 20 years.

Only the United States can do that.

 

[Jimih]

Quid pro quo time

 

[mokoman]

some impressive olympics grade mental gymnastics going on

 

[mist_consecutive]

some impressive olympics grade mental gymnastics going on

If this is true that we only pulled back 2 km, then it is unlikely we vacated PP16.

 

[mist_consecutive]

India, China complete disengagement process in eastern Ladakh sector

New Delhi [India], September 13 (ANI): Armies of India and China on Tuesday completed the disengagement process in the Gogra Heights-Hot Springs area near Patrolling Point-15 in the eastern Ladakh sector, according to government sources.

aninews.in

Disengagement complete.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

in drones, it is impossible for India to overtake China in 20 years.

Only the United States can do that.

Conventional MALE, HALE drones like CH4B, MQ-9, MQ-4C are dead meat in an AD intense environment.
Stealth drones might have some chance of survival.
The focus should be on long range loitering munitions where we are making giant strides quite rapidly.

 

[chalochum]

So after this disengagement, who has the psychological upper hand? What did we learn from the past two years by holding the stand-off? Whats the next step for the on-ground army and infrastructure to be built?

 

[rockdog]

The Weibo guy''s analysis, translated by machine.

Since it is found that the results shown in the satellite map are like this, that is, the posts of both sides have been withdrawn (the agreement requires the eradication of all military facilities), let's analyze it in this way.

As soon as the Indian army withdraws, there will be no sentry post on the whole konglangchangpo River, and it will retreat to Karam Singh Hill stronghold, that is, it will return to 2015 in one breath. The change is that they have a way. As soon as our army withdraws, there will be no sentry post from canandaban to Xichagou, but the road is perfect and the basis for advancing is reserved.

The distance that netizens care about is that the Indian army retreated 27 kilometers, and our army retreated 14 kilometers from the mountain pass. The middle 16 kilometers are the part of the road that our army built and occupied after 2015.

Gains and losses: after 2015, our army lost the road patrol area built by itself outside kanan daban; In 2020, a large force of our army went out to control the territory outside canan daban; Now it is time to retreat. In 2015, the Indian army settled outside the patrol road of our army, and cut off our army's highway in canandaban, before building a road to connect the rear and expanding the post; In 2020, the hot spring protrusion of our army threatened the whole river valley, so the Indian army increased its garrison in Karam Singh hill to deal with it. Now, it retreated back to this mountain and withdrew from the konglang Changbo river.

It's back to 2015, but we can't go back to the era of driving to the Indian pp16 patrol.

Analysis: if the satellite map is true, then the Chinese side's 15 round plan is adopted, but the Indian army can't smoothly agree to the 16 round plan. I don't know where our side has made concessions in exchange for recognizing the Chinese side's plan. If the hot spring withdrawal plan last year was that the Indian army retreated from gogra (pp17) to Karam Singh hill, then China's plan is actually very reasonable. The Indian army withdrew from Alfa III post and withdrew from the whole valley.

How did netizens in both countries scold or feel proud.

 

[Love Charger]

in drones, it is impossible for India to overtake China in 20 years.

Only the United States can do that.

No disagreement over this, by disagreeing we shall be lying to ourselves

 

[mokoman]

If this is true that we only pulled back 2 km, then it is unlikely we vacated PP16.

no hires images for now , IA definitely scaled pp16 post down , hopefully its not fully vacated .

wonder where new IA post will be , cant see any new indian post now - it will show up in next few weeks.

 

[Love Charger]

in drones, it is impossible for India to overtake China in 20 years.

Only the United States can do that.

They are already ahead of yiu folks though
I mean usa ofcourse

 

[mist_consecutive]

no hires images for now , IA definitely scaled pp16 post down , hopefully its not fully vacated .

wonder where new IA post will be , cant see any new indian post now - it will show up in next few weeks.

Why was I having any expectations from this cucked govt. ?

 

[Hari Sud]

in drones, it is impossible for India to overtake China in 20 years.

Only the United States can do that.

‘Wait and watch; Indian Swarm drones and other private sector built drones will far exceed Chinese built copied and reverse engineered drones.

 

[rockdog]

Analysis for how PLA and IA retreat with 14KM and 27KM, check the number on the graphs.

 

[jai jaganath]

Why was I having any expectations from this cucked govt. ?

Is he reliable?