India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[Abhay Rajput 02]

Remember that we are only sending message to China that we aren't afraid of alliance anymore with USA. Jaishankar statement is nothing more than that. We want them to get back to status quo ante and this is the way to do . They are felling pressure because they know they can't defeat us when we will have the backing of us military industry complex. Jaishankar statement sounds like a reassurance to Chinese that if they will get back there is nothing going to happen. Rest assured no war will happen until rafale arrives. Things are looking good for us, a lot of things are happening behind closed doors. Modi has definitely made the right choice , not picking any side just playing pyschological games. I told you last night that alliance is in the works yesterday quite clearly and today's our EAM statement means Chinese have gotten the message clearly.

 

[Kalki2020]

No.
If you completely ally with US , we are losing Tamil Nadu , Andhra pradesh in next 15 to 20 years.
Most people will understand why I am saying this .

By then half of the India will be gone, under the clutches of cross holders... Don't overlook what's happening in Punjab & Rajasthan... Half of my colleague mate already have become cross lover in just 12-15 yrs.
We(Hindus) are good at scratching our back & lack the sense of building parallel ecosystem like what rice bag gang's have built. Once they have majority US too will have its Christian stakes in India..
All human rights gang's in west will dance over our head & pull India's facade of overglorified democracy down to make India unsustainable union.
Don't worry day is not far... We never learnt any lesson from northeast & Kerala in last 70yrs...
Demography is going to set new destiny....

Good part is left liberal gang is eating up US/Europe too from inside, let's see who falls down first.

My prediction China will not there in its current form, it will give birth to many countries in this decade itself if US & allies put concerted effort to show CCP its place.
Pakistan to crack up first in order in next five years.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Jai Shankar- on the rise of middle power's like Australia Japan Indonesia Saudi and etc got created because of shrinkage of American umbrella which gave them more autonomy to take much more proactive steps and deal withe the issues.
Well this haven't effected india much because we were never really under American umbrella we were non allied and we will never become part of alliance.

Well if you look into the context of this huge statement it means alot more than simple thinking of NAM.

 

[Abhay Rajput 02]

Jai Shankar- on the rise of middle power's like Australia Japan Indonesia Saudi and etc got created because of shrinkage of American umbrella which gave them more autonomy to take much more proactive steps and deal withe the issues.
Well this haven't effected india much because we were never really under American umbrella we were non allied and we will never become part of alliance.

Well if you look into the context of this huge statement it means alot more than simple thinking of NAM.

If your really believe that Australia can do anything then you are sadly mistaken. Japan is the only country in Asia that can help us . Don't overestimate regional countries they all have issues , too small and can be bribed easily. Saudi Arab is vessel of USA and the day they crossed red line - USA will say it's a brutal dictatorship regime , Human rights etc and after that they will invade it. In a way as long as Saudi are giving money to USA , it's all love .

 

[ARVION]

Something is defentinaly happinge's at the Chinese's side's .

 

[dkkgp]

China already doesn't have the money to keep the already agreed to BRI projects and things are stuck in almost all places. The Chinese don't intend to keep their promises on their Iran deal either. They'll just do the bare minimum for their strategic needs and not do anything else.

Exactly! I guess even Iranians understand this. They are in the game of outfoxing the Chicoms nothing else!

 

[Knowitall]

Jai Shankar- on the rise of middle power's like Australia Japan Indonesia Saudi and etc got created because of shrinkage of American umbrella which gave them more autonomy to take much more proactive steps and deal withe the issues.
Well this haven't effected india much because we were never really under American umbrella we were non allied and we will never become part of alliance.

Well if you look into the context of this huge statement it means alot more than simple thinking of NAM.

His statment seems very far from facts.

Saudi continues to remain very heavily dependent on US even now and they continue to buy lots of equipment from them.

Australia is a middle power lmao even Australian's will laugh at such statements.

Australia is heavily dependent on the US for their security.

Most of their military equipment is from the US they are always trying to maintain good relations with the US.

Japan is the only one which has started rearming itself and this due to a result of 2 factors.

1) they have always been slowly but steadily moving towards indigenous equipment from a long time.

2) Trump's statements and pressure on their allies to spend more has forced a lot of these countries to cough up a lot of money.

There is no middle power here these countries are just being given more room to wiggle and share more burden as the US feels it might be too stretched during a crises.

 

[Jaymax61]

USSR never had province's but republic's they failed due to the communism by Peace's , economy was strangers due to the huge military expenditure's, border's despitues would be solved by the peaceful policie's and they disentrigated due to the stupidty of Lenin's .

USSR booming economy? Who comes up with this stuff?

 

[ARVION]

From what I understand from the video is the KJ 500's is helping's the Fighter's aircraft's to locate's and launche's the ASW's Weapon's . Sorry for my bad mandraine's .

 

[ARVION]

USSR booming economy? Who comes up with this stuff?

They economy was booming in 50's and 60's but in 70's and 80's the economy was stragente's. .

 

[Assassin 2.0]

If your really believe that Australia can do anything then you are sadly mistaken

Australians were giving extreme access to Chinese in ports in politics all against the wishes of Americans and were highly supportive of Chinese Foreign and was under significant Chinese influence why? Because rise of Chinese economically and militarily.
It took extreme measures of Chinese to force Australia to take some negative action against them.

Japan is the only country in Asia that can help us . Don't overestimate regional countries they all have issues , too small and can be bribed easily

Why Japanese changed the Law and defensive structure of it's forces? And started building military? Well it started from 2006 when Chinese started claiming whole south china sea along with Japanese island and Japanese found Americans non assuring. This forced abe to develop this whole indo-pacific alliance thing. Why Philippines is developing relationship with india and is buying our bhramos? Well because they know regional player's are extremely committed to the region.

Saudi Arab is vessel of USA and the day they crossed red line - USA will say it's a brutal dictatorship regime , Human rights etc and after that they will invade it. In a way as long as Saudi are giving money to USA , it's all love

If saudi were so banged up why Muslim ummah leader saudi arabia which can make whole Muslim world against Chinese is quite on Uighur Muslim issues?
Saudi crown prince defends China's right to put Uighur Muslims in concentration camps

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[cereal killer]

Why this thread is going too much into middle east mess that got nothing to with LAC?

 

[Abhay Rajput 02]

Australians were giving extreme access to Chinese in ports in politics all against the wishes of Americans and were highly supportive of Chinese Foreign and was under significant Chinese influence why? Because rise of Chinese economically and militarily.
It took extreme measures of Chinese to force Australia to take some negative action against them.

Why Japanese changed the Law and defensive structure of it's forces? And started building military? Well it started from 2006 when Chinese started claiming whole south china sea along with Japanese island and Japanese found Americans non assuring. This forced abe to develop this whole indo-pacific alliance thing. Why Philippines is developing relationship with india and is buying our bhramos? Well because they know regional player's are extremely committed to the region.


If saudi were so banged up why Muslim ummah leader saudi arabia which can make whole Muslim world against Chinese is quite on Uighur Muslim issues?
Saudi crown prince defends China's right to put Uighur Muslims in concentration camps

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My comments was about USA relationship with them not China. If USA put pressure then these countries will simply obey it.

 

[Jaymax61]

They economy was booming in 50's and 60's but in 70's and 80's the economy was stragente's. .

It was in the Shitter. Due to the norm of punishing poor performers Soviet Style - everyone cooked books. The system lied to each other. No one knew exactly what got made and what got used. Gorbachev got estimates estimating 40-65% of economy was being consumed by the Soviet Military. He knew it was a matter of time before they collapsed so he started opening up the system.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

His statment seems very far from facts.

Saudi continues to remain very heavily dependent on US even now and they continue to buy lots of equipment from them.

Australia is a middle power lmao even Australian's will laugh at such statements.

Australia is heavily dependent on the US for their security.

Most of their military equipment is from the US they are always trying to maintain good relations with the US.

Japan is the only one which has started rearming itself and this due to a result of 2 factors.

1) they have always been slowly but steadily moving towards indigenous equipment from a long time.

2) Trump's statements and pressure on their allies to spend more has forced a lot of these countries to cough up a lot of money.

There is no middle power here these countries are just being given more room to wiggle and share more burden as the US feels it might be too stretched during a crises.

Australian dependency on Chinese economy and influence of Chinese was extremely real. Australian politicians were sold to Chinese and Chinese were running free hand in Australia with getting access to Australian ports. Australian Secret agency red flags were ignored. It took extreme measures from Chinese side to force Australia to take some negative measure against Chinese.

Japanese started development of military long before trump came and vision of indo-pacific was of abe. Because Japanese found American commitment to region non assuring.

Saudi still quite on Chinese of Muslims treatment why?

 

[Assassin 2.0]

My comments was about USA relationship with them not China. If USA put pressure then these countries will simply obey it.

These countries have been able to exploit both sides off course Chinese relationship with them effects their relationship with USA. If there was no Chinese threat then countries in this region would have been totally different with Americans running a bipolar world. But that is simply not true in this era if their was no Chinese threat to india our relationship with USA would have been also different.

This allowance of shrinking American influence allowed these countries to create dependency on Chinese in the first place.
Off course Americans hold great influence on these countries but their economically motivated actions cannot be ignored.

 

[Knowitall]

Australian dependency on Chinese economy and influence of Chinese was extremely real. Australian politicians were sold to Chinese and Chinese were running free hand in Australia with getting access to Australian ports. Australian Secret agency red flags were ignored. It took extreme measures from Chinese side to force Australia to take some negative measure against Chinese.

Japanese started development of military long before trump came and vision of indo-pacific was of abe. Because Japanese found American commitment to region non assuring.

Saudi still quite on Chinese of Muslims treatment why?

I think you took my post the wrong way.

I myself stated that japan was developing indigenous equipment from a long time and trumps statement as factors in its change.

What I was trying to say was be it Chinese or Americans all these countries are dependent on someone or the other.

US or china India shouldn't depend on such countries as partners at all.

These countries lost their strategic autonomy a long time ago and now only listin to the whims of their masters.

If jaishankar is trying to find allies in them he never will these countries never had rhe backbone to start with.

They are no middle power as he claims just pawns.

 

[ARVION]

KJ 600 Aircraft's Carrer's AWACES'S spotted .

 

[Suryavanshi]

Indian intelligence agencies seems to be under pressure that they are unleashing such propaganda... This is their old ways..

Sir please I beg u shed some more light on the matter.

 

[ARVION]

MKI's and LCA's Fluing's in a near Fly's Pass . C 2020's .