India-China 2020 Border conflict

[ninja hattori]

No military expert but in october the way winter advances (our areas will be snowed in) , it will be more difficult for us to supply and replenish while their side will more clear.

If there is a conflict in Oct i think we may end up seeing some short term set backs.

MEA will try to push any conflict beyond october/november

So be prepared to see MEA pretending to bow down to chinese lines

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Sun Tzu is working guys.

Experts warn of grave consequences if US official visits Taiwan - Global Times

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Exactly MEA is just doing diplomatic hypocrisy to give shadow for our IA. Both are working in tandem. Dnt judge things separately. See the ground situation. See the acts not the words.

 

[prasadr14]

No military expert but in october the way winter advances (our areas will be snowed it ) , it will be more difficult for us to supply and replenish while their side will more clear.

MEA will try to push any conflict beyond october/november

So be prepared to see MEA pretending to bow down to chinese lines

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Sun Tzu is working guys.

Experts warn of grave consequences if US official visits Taiwan - Global Times

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Where did you get that information from?

We have been supplying to Siachin, which is far far worse logistically than the current Ladakh sites.
IA know exactly what needs to be done in those heights.
On the contrary, Chinese are going to be doing this kind of thing with less practical experience than us.
Once the first bullet fires, do you think Chinkies would still get to sleep in their special AC tents and eat 5 star bat soup?

Don't underestimate your own strengths
AND
dont overestimate chinkies strength too.

 

[Knowitall]

No military expert but in october the way winter advances (our areas will be snowed in) , it will be more difficult for us to supply and replenish while their side will more clear.

If there is a conflict in Oct i think we may end up seeing some short term set backs.

MEA will try to push any conflict beyond october/november

So be prepared to see MEA pretending to bow down to chinese lines

---------

Sun Tzu is working guys.

Experts warn of grave consequences if US official visits Taiwan - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

Some secessionist Taiwan media are once again drowning in joy by hyping the possible visit of US Undersecretary of State Keith Krach to the island, which would be a dangerous provocation that further harms the cross-Straits ties and regional stability.

any conflict beyond october will be disadvantageous for us a lot of our supply lines will be closed.

why would MEA try and delay.

it is better we capture more heights and camp for the winters.

 

[fire starter]

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars high movement seen in the South Block with the CDS Three chief of Staff RM NSA and other high profile officials like everyone is present there. Something is happening here Nibbiars.

 

[mokoman]

Where did you get that information from?

We have been supplying to Siachin, which is far far worse logistically than the current Ladakh sites.
IA know exactly what needs to be done in those heights.
On the contrary, Chinese are going to be doing this kind of thing with less practical experience than us.
Once the first bullet fires, do you think Chinkies would still get to sleep in their special AC tents and eat 5 star bat soup?

Don't underestimate your own strengths
AND
dont overestimate chinkies strength too.

yea your right , november to april is also bad time.

 

[ezsasa]

Let’s look at this from PLA perspective, what have they gained so far:

1) Gained some experience on long term deployment on LAC
2) Managed to build permanent defences in some sectors
3) conducted two or three military exercises at 12000 ft
4) real experience dealing with a professional military
5) gain inputs on behaviour of IA during an escalation
6) managed to implement tactical moves which are a level up from doklam scenario.
7) managed to gain practical experience in high altitude mountain warfare
8) gained intel on logistic routes that IA would use in these sectors
9) possible permanent foothold on F4 - F8, which they anyways. posts on ridges got added this time.

Anything more to add...
Keep it purely PLA, not CCP.

 

[Dessert Storm]

We are not against talks. Channels of communication should be kept open at all times. But high level talks between Foreign Ministers and Defence Ministers are different as they send out signals which may be misinterpreted.

Quiet back channel diplomacy has been useful in the past. We have talked with Pakistan too during tensions.

It seems you are unable to comprehend what's at stake. Further, Indians have em by their..... so why not show it to the world. Back channel has its place yes. But not here, not now.

 

[Dessert Storm]

Haji Pir 2.0 in making?

Won't happen sir

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Batmunchers speaking in double tongue

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Batmunchistani ambassador should be summoned & given a dressing down demarche

Before doing that, has India's foreign ministry issued a separate statement like the chinese did ? I am not referring to the joint statement here..

 

[Suryavanshi]

The whole tibet thing has scared shit in hans. They are caught off guard, now from the moment they were we will occupy ladakh they are now like lets save tibet first.

This is good this is what I call offensive warfare, u make the move and let the enemies react.

 

[fire starter]

 

[fire starter]

Let’s look at this from PLA perspective, what have they gained so far:

1) Gained some experience on long term deployment on LAC
2) Managed to build permanent defences in some sectors
3) conducted two or three military exercises at 12000 ft
4) real experience dealing with a professional military
5) gain inputs on behaviour of IA during an escalation
6) managed to implement tactical moves which are a level up from doklam scenario.
7) managed to gain practical experience in high altitude mountain warfare
8) gained intel on logistic routes that IA would use in these sectors
9) possible permanent foothold on F4 - F8, which they anyways. posts on ridges got added this time.

Anything more to add...
Keep it purely PLA, not CCP.

In short they only got experience.

 

[Mikel]

In short they only got experience.

Half experience, if even that. When bullets fly that is a whole another level of hell. They haven't yet tasted that fear.

 

[utubekhiladi]

 

[Dessert Storm]

Asian Nato in the Making?

Is Britain irrelevant or are they still living in colonial times.

 

[Knowitall]

Let’s look at this from PLA perspective, what have they gained so far:

1) Gained some experience on long term deployment on LAC
2) Managed to build permanent defences in some sectors
3) conducted two or three military exercises at 12000 ft
4) real experience dealing with a professional military
5) gain inputs on behaviour of IA during an escalation
6) managed to implement tactical moves which are a level up from doklam scenario.
7) managed to gain practical experience in high altitude mountain warfare
8) gained intel on logistic routes that IA would use in these sectors
9) possible permanent foothold on F4 - F8, which they anyways. posts on ridges got added this time.

Anything more to add...
Keep it purely PLA, not CCP.

10) Tested their ability to move divisions and other heavy equipment from mainland China to the border under a short span of time.
11) also nobody talks about it but areas in despang, gogra hot springs.

 

[Knowitall]

Is Britain irrelevant or are they still living in colonial times.

They bring nothing to the table. They are of no use to anybody.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Let’s look at this from PLA perspective, what have they gained so far:

1) Gained some experience on long term deployment on LAC
2) Managed to build permanent defences in some sectors
3) conducted two or three military exercises at 12000 ft
4) real experience dealing with a professional military
5) gain inputs on behaviour of IA during an escalation
6) managed to implement tactical moves which are a level up from doklam scenario.
7) managed to gain practical experience in high altitude mountain warfare
8) gained intel on logistic routes that IA would use in these sectors
9) possible permanent foothold on F4 - F8, which they anyways. posts on ridges got added this time.

Anything more to add...
Keep it purely PLA, not CCP.

Point 4: Not much experience.. for either side.. except scampering up and down hill tops. No real battle involved.. except firing shots in the air.. But, yes.. PLA gained a lot of insight into its own logistical limitations as well as logistical preparedness of India.. Also, only if winter deployment of IA and PLA troops happens.. will the PLA be able to gauge both IA and PLA logistical preparedness under extreme conditions..

As to what the PLA lost: Their all important G219 highway is more exposed to an Indian thrust with India occupying the heights and Moldo garrison compromised...

 

[Tridev123]

It seems you are unable to comprehend what's at stake. Further, Indians have em by their..... so why not show it to the world. Back channel has its place yes. But not here, not now.

Simple question. Can we get the PLA to at least withdraw to the April 2020 positions which is the minimum that has to be done to regain our trust.

The higher the level of talks the more the expectations. First let the experts do the ground work and see that both China and India arrive at a mutually acceptable solution. Then let the big boys a. k. a Political leadership do the signing and photo ops.

A high level meeting producing zero results is a waste of time and effort. I believe it is more wise to first complete the homework and then get the Ministers to endorse it.