India-China 2020 Border conflict

[ezsasa]

Fair enough
But still at the end of the day even if it's about engagement it's not a good projection imo. Should've let an MEA rep tweet this. This rather shows an irreverence to the gravity of the situation to the masses, doesn't matter what possible machinations there may be behind the scenes. Further propagates the 'soft (read weak)' image about this government.

how is it question paper setter’s fault if few people studied hard chapters with 10% marks weightage while giving less importance to chapters which have 40% marks weightage that year!!!

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

he is a diplomat , thats his job.

His job is to make peace or ... stall the Chinese .

Why you all shitting on him ?

Current goal seem to be force them back at Depsang and fingers , back to April status quo ie restore the LAC + we stay on the peaks (which all lie right on the LAC) - whats wrong with that plan ?

Jaishankar is completely wrong on conferring legitimacy to the illegitimate CCP. A bunch of Communist goons captured power through the bullet. And they have held on for 70+ years without providing people of China a choice.

Jaishankar should have said - "Extend my sympathies to the people of China for having gone through 70 years without proper elections. Hope Chinese people dont have to suffer the illegitimate CCP for long and get the same political rights as the Indians in the near future "

 

[Sanglamorre]

how is it question paper setter’s fault if few people studied hard chapters with 10% marks weightage while giving less importance to chapters which have 40% marks weightage that year!!!

You see a war where you wouldn't need the masses?

Forget MEA, even military won't be able to lift a finger without the masses supporting them. In the new wars, a lot of the war is being fought by the masses, online. Look at Azer-Arm war. Even the respective MoD's have to keep publishing videos to keep the masses of their country and other countries in confidence.

Indian MEA is losing the masses. If your only messaging is soft and reactive, that's the way it'll be perceived.

GoI shouldn't be surprised if people are reluctant to go to war with an adversary that GoI wishes birthday's to. It's not like MEA is dropping red hot statements everyday and one day felicitated China.

Btw, did China reply to Jaishankar's statement?

 

[Mikel]

Maybe we could do some engagement with the Taiwanese for a change and send a reply to a birthday wish ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[johnq]

The following article is from December 2019:
Chinese Army Augmenting Its Position; Digging Tunnels, Denying Indian Troops Movement Near Disputed Region Of Ladakh

The Chinese were digging these tunnels in preparation for the invasion before the Covid-19 had spread into India. Which means that they had planned to spread the Covid-19 disease into India in order to weaken India for the attack. This means that an attack by the Chinese is likely, as the whole thing is part of a bigger plan.
The Chinese want to scare the wealthy class into submission using psy ops (as they are the most scared to risk losing their money, and have the most sway over the Indian government's bureaucracy), so they may want to use the ghost of 1962 war. Hence they may attack around the same time as the 1962 war.
The Chinese are using tunnels as their supply lines through the winter. These tunnels must be destroyed to cut off their supply lines in winter, in order to defeat them.

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

Have to wonder how many of the Chinese weapons are real and how many are balloons

 

[ezsasa]

You see a war where you wouldn't need the masses?

Forget MEA, even military won't be able to lift a finger without the masses supporting them. In the new wars, a lot of the war is being fought by the masses, online. Look at Azer-Arm war. Even the respective MoD's have to keep publishing videos to keep the masses of their country and other countries in confidence.

Indian MEA is losing the masses. If your only messaging is soft and reactive, that's the way it'll be perceived.

GoI shouldn't be surprised if people are reluctant to go to war with an adversary that GoI wishes birthday's to. It's not like MEA is dropping red hot statements everyday and one day felicitated China.

Btw, did China reply to Jaishankar's statement?

I too hate seeing sweets being exchanged with pak on national holidays at border points and charade called beating retreat at Attari border, You don’t see me loosing my mind over it and start abusing everyone top to bottom.

 

[fire starter]

lol.

 

[Suryavanshi]

It's not even that why EAM wishing the Chinese but the timing and context.

Had it been ambassador to China than there would have been no problem.

He just didn't wish the Chinese independence but he congratulated the establishment of Mao's China the one which has slaughtered 50 million people, captured our cultural Friend Tibet, funded anti state element and raised war thrice upon us.

On top of that we are in a arm tussel with them 20 soldiers fuckin died only for the foreign minster to Congratulate the blood thristy party on their anniversary of taking over contorl of their country.

These guys we are congratulations aren't the gold standard of Democracy or a responsible nation.

All I'm saying these people don't deserve to be congratulated by a cabinet ministers of all people right when they are agressing on our border, that's the ambassadors job.

Have some fucking standards, give as much fellatio to Chinese after they remove troops form our border.

Those 20 folks didn't die for u to play Diplomacy where u reach no conclusion or gain Favour.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Have to wonder how many of the Chinese weapons are real and how many are balloons

This is a good representation of anything China makes and the Chinese military And the people.

 

[Pugilist]

BREAKING NEWS - Rahul Ghandi has decided to walk through Pangong Tso to highway G219 in China to talk some sense into the Chinese.

Please don’t stop him.

 

[fire starter]

"Talk politely but carry a BIG stick"

 

[IndiaRising]

Never trust a Babu. They are all morally inept and incompetent jokers

 

[tarunraju]

 

[Sehwag213]

This thread is appropriate

 

[johnq]

It's not even that why EAM wishing the Chinese but the timing and context.

Had it been ambassador to China than there would have been no problem.

He just didn't wish the Chinese independence but he congratulated the establishment of Mao's China the one which has slaughtered 50 million people, captured our cultural Friend Tibet, funded anti state element and raised war thrice upon us.

On top of that we are in a arm tussel with them 20 soldiers fuckin died only for the foreign minster to Congratulate the blood thristy party on their anniversary of taking over contorl of their country.

These guys we are congratulations aren't the gold standard of Democracy or a responsible nation.

All I'm saying these people don't deserve to be congratulated by a cabinet ministers of all people right when they are agressing on our border, that's the ambassadors job.

Have some fucking standards, give as much fellatio to Chinese after they remove troops form our border.

Those 20 folks didn't die for u to play Diplomacy where u reach no conclusion or gain Favour.

Most of these bureaucrats got where they are in life because of who they are and who they know. So they live in their own bubble detached from the realities of everyday hardships faced by the common man. And they think themselves to be sophisticated intellectuals who know what's best for India. But they are so far from the hardships faced by common people and soldiers that they are incapable of understanding their plight. Modi is the exception, not the rule, in that he was able to succeed in a system heavily biased against the common man.

 

[tarunraju]

he is a diplomat , thats his job.

His job is to make peace or ... stall the Chinese .

No, a diplomat's job description includes verbal intimidation and bullying of the other side. Like the Chinese diplomats do.

If Jaishankar is relying on the military negotiators to do the intimidation while he restricts himself to all the tree-hugging peace-talk and verbal jugglery, then his role in all this is redundant.

Jaishankar's is a textbook case of why bureaucrats make bad politicians and worse ministers. They continue to think in 2 dimensions like bureaucrats.

 

[FalconZero]

Yes this is precisely what Modiji has been spooked with.
It is a risk, and if we lose it will be Modi/Shahs head, their enemies inside the party will come out in full force.

tbh I wouldn't want to be Modiji at this point of time, it's the Devil and the deep blue sea sh*t he's dealing with rn.

Like for e.g the current absolutely cuckolded state you see of Germany, Japan, Sweden is exactly because they suffered a debilitating loss at war during some point of history.
If Modiji is planning a NEW INDIA with all secular/Lutyen's Delhi elements purged, it all will be reversed in case of loss at war.
Everyone will heap shit on the one """behind""" the loss.

From Geeta :
Karmanye Vadhikaraste, Ma phaleshou kada chana, Ma Karma Phala Hetur Bhurmatey Sangostva Akarmani
कर्मण्येवाधिकारस्ते मा फलेषु कदाचन । मा कर्मफलहेतुर्भुर्मा ते संगोऽस्त्वकर्मणि ॥
T: You have the right to work only but never to its fruits. Let not the fruits of action be your motive, nor let your attachment be to inaction.
With this I will part ways with this thread, I don't have any hope in MEA, will only return if we see any action!

 

[Suryavanshi]

No, a diplomat's job description includes verbal intimidation and bullying of the other side. Like the Chinese diplomats do.

If Jaishankar is relying on the military negotiators to do the intimidation while he restricts himself to all the tree-hugging peace-talk and verbal jugglery, then his role in all this is redundant.

Jaishankar's is a textbook case of why bureaucrats make bad politicians and worse ministers. They continue to think in 2 dimensions like bureaucrats.

I think he is has forgotten that he ain't a diplomat anymore, he is part of the cabinet and represent the mood and sentiment of the nation as well.
Shushman was bad enough with her job but she made sure to get a moral high on dem Pakis.

 

[DownWithCCP]

In spite of all this never should anyone be of the false opinion that the previous governments have done a better job at handling China, this is by far way better than how the UPA handled it before but honestly that is such a low bar to cross for any political party.