India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Sehwag213]

Isn't the 59 claim line further east than the current LAC why would they be pushing westwards then, coercion tactics? were they spooked by Amit Shah's statement in the parliament? Do they want a settlement of border through coercion? Well as per maps it looks as if the 1959 claim line favours us can anyone point out our gains and losses if we accept '59 claim line?

No it doesn't favour us. You have to then accept Aksai Chin as Chinese territory

 

[Neil]

Support for India in HongKong

Galwan didn't just galvanised India, but rather galvanised everyone fighting that bully CCP.

Indian army- you make us proud

 

[DownWithCCP]

No it doesn't favour us. You have to then accept Aksai Chin as Chinese territory

No I meant compared to current LAC how does the 1959 claim line compare?

 

[LDev]

Too many people are comparing Eleven to Hitler, wrongly IMO. Hitler sent hundred divisions into Russia. He did not pitch tents on Russian border.

Eleven probably has many times the resources Hitler had but lacks the courage and the will. Wants a bloodless war where opponents roll over without a fight. Eleven will have to earn superpower status by shedding lots of blood and not by unleashing Gobar Times threats.

The Chinese have shed a lot of blood in the past. About 14 million died in the 1937-45 China Japan war, only a small number are war casualties but lots of others died because of starvation and malnutrition. During the Great Leap forward by Mao in 1958-62 when Mao wanted to catapult China into the ranks of advanced nations (shades of Xi today), about 45 million Chinese died of starvation as villagers were forced into communes. So if Xi believes that he will achieve his goals and the price to be paid is the death of a few million Chinese citizens he will have no hesitation to do it. The reason he is holding back is that realization has probably dawned on him that this option, at this time, will not get him the results he wants and in fact will set China back by a few decades. So he will bide his time for now. The conflict will just get postponed.

Make no mistake, the Chinese are gamblers by nature. They are ready to gamble with money and they are ready to gamble with lives. It is no wonder that they are the biggest customers at all casinos globally. And their willingness to gamble with lives is well documented.

You have to also consider that by his recent purges of political opponents and with senior ranks of the armed forces and by overturning the system of regular replacement of the CCP General Secretaries set up by Deng, effectively Xi has put a mark on his own head. He is unlikely to live out his overthrow. So Xi is already gambling with his own life. It is not like democratic countries where a leader will lose the next election and retire. Xi could lose his life.

 

[Sehwag213]

No I meant compared to current LAC how does the 1959 claim line compare?

China may have to go few steps back.
But this is actually what they want . Go few steps back and make India accept that Aksai Chin is a part of China.

 

[kaaleshwaar]

Like for e.g the current absolutely cuckolded state you see of Germany, Japan, Sweden

When did Sweden lose any war, in the past 100 years?

 

[kaaleshwaar]

 

[shade]

When did Sweden lose any war, in the past 100 years?

300 years ago, where they got thoroughly btfo by the Russian Empire under Tsar Peter "the great".
ikr 300 seems a lot, but basically during that war they planned to be a regional power of northern Europe, but loss at war forever dashed their hopes, so till now it has been a continuous downward slide.
by the time the 20th century rolled by they were already a low energy country only fit to be a vassal.

 

[etantra]

India China border dispute: No breakthrough on stand-off in 5th round of India-China talks | India News - Times of India

India News: India and China Wednesday held the 5th round of diplomatic talks on the LAC standoff, and again agreed on the need to implement a “consensus” to disen

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

The 19th meeting of the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on India-China Border Affairs (WMCC) was seen as useful but still didn’t seem to move the two sides closer to a breakthrough.

There remains still no indication of any Chinese plan to withdraw from the contentious Pangong Tso and Depsang areas even as a tense standstill prevails

Official sources described the talks as useful and significantly India and China agreed that the 7th round of meeting between the senior commanders should be held at the earliest so that both sides can work towards early and complete disengagement of the troops along the LAC

China’s resurrection of 1959 LAC claim may be first step. India preps for fallout

India-China standoff: Xi Jinping’s 1959 claim on the Line of Actual Control gives Beijing flexibility to expand its territorial claims in the East Ladakh sector

www.hindustantimes.com

With Beijing reiterating its claim on 1,597 kilometres of Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh on the basis of November 1959 maximalist cartographical claim, national security planners believe that Chinese Army may use this claim to put pressure on the six other areas of differences in the western sector that have not been impacted in the ongoing standoff between the two countries.

Indian military commanders have asked troops to be ready to repel any PLA move before heavy snow takes over the theatre of contest in East Ladakh. <--- @utubekhiladi 's prediction may still come true .

The polar winds and snow will not only wreak havoc on men but also their equipment. Artillery guns and tank barrels freeze in such cold conditions. From November 15 to May, the top priority of the two armies will be to survive the cold at the heights.

where has China made the 1959 claim..

have they done it officially or via its peons in its propaganda office?

India & indian entities should not respond or discuss it unless it is stated officially. Don't play their game.

 

[DownWithCCP]

where has China made the 1959 claim..

have they done it officially or via its peons in its propaganda office?

India & indian entities should not respond or discuss it unless it is stated officially. Don't play their game.

In their briefings apparently they have reiterated their 1959 claim line, even during the last WMCC meet they have referred to the same.

 

[FalconZero]

This tweet clears it up, do mind India never accepted any of that claim line. Even during 1959 the post of chinkis were way eastwards to both yellow nd green line, here's the map which was posted here before :

Summary being: Chinkis will keep claiming out of their ass with new definition of LAC, it's up to us to tell them to F**k Off.

 

[Deathstar]

Even if china says 1959 claim line , hvae they exchanged any official map

 

[cereal killer]

Isn't the 59 claim line further east than the current LAC why would they be pushing westwards then, coercion tactics? were they spooked by Amit Shah's statement in the parliament? Do they want a settlement of border through coercion? Well as per maps it looks as if the 1959 claim line favours us can anyone point out our gains and losses if we accept '59 claim line?

Folks on BRF said FM was rushed to Beijing to clarify about Amit Shah's statement about Aksai Chin. So not sure it's about that. I am starting to believe the GB conspiracy theory more.
I was seeing 1959 claim line along DBO area.. It seemed too close to it. I am not sure it is advantageous in any way & our claim has always been upto Kunlun mountains right upto Johnson line. So there is no point accepting it.

 

[etantra]

basically they want India to take a position and then they can start their pushing.

normal in price negotiation when you will be asked to name your price. Any good haggler knows you never name it close to where you want. You name it far far away.

China wants India to bid against itself, india's public to coalesce around a price assuming China's price and then China can drive a better bargain

 

[DownWithCCP]

 

[etantra]

Folks on BRF said FM was rushed to Beijing to clarify about Amit Shah's statement about Aksai Chin. So not sure it's about that. I am starting to believe the GB conspiracy theory more.
I was seeing 1959 claim line along DBO area.. It seemed too close to it. I am not sure it is advantageous in any way & our claim has always been upto Kunlun mountains right upto Johnson line. So there is no point accepting it.

that is talking out of their a$$... Indian parliament has a standing order to reclaim all lost lands and that includes Aksai Chin and this isfrom 1962.

HM statement is fine.. can't be playing both sides.. on one side outrage on EAM showing figleaf of peace and on other abusing HM for stating facts.

 

[FalconZero]

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@Manik_M_Jolly: India needs to get over ‘Line Thinking’ as far as #PLA deployment is concerned. While decision makers squabble over which line is the true #LAC as per Indian version, we forget that we aren’t the...…

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Good thread, the summary was :
1) Chinese have claimed and consolidated the 1960s claim line more or less, that 1959's claim line is hogwash to force us to cede our claims of whole Aksai China
2) India should not play the Chinese game of this or that line, whole Aksai Chin is ours
2) It's the need of the time to push Chinese back, assert our claim line, enforce it

 

[vampyrbladez]

Anyone says anything to bjp he is concern trolling only person who speaks truth here is you got it.

Absolutely. This guilt by association tactic may work in US or some other countries but
not here.

Given the circumstances, Modi has performed admirably. Many things could be improved.

However to say he has 'lost his touch' given recent history points to sinister design on your part.

 

[vampyrbladez]

1 - 2 non performers in big positions make all the difference.

If you cannot understand this much maybe you should stop sprouting bullshit.

All decisions pass with PMO. So other than day to day working, nothing else is easily affected.

In recent weeks India has quietly passed Farm and Labour laws that will revolutionize our economic potential so props there.

Jaishankar however may turn out to be another Raghurajan.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Then why aren't they being thrown out to get in more competent people?

Maybe the sad part is that these are the only somewhat competent people in BJP in higher ranks in those field.